Another missing link!

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#1 ChiliDragon
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This looked like the sort of thing that would interest a lot of AU members. :) Scientists have discovered another hominid that they believe to be much older than the famous Lucy, and from an evolutionary standpoint more primitive. She (yes, the skeleton findings belonged to a female while they were alive) was capable of walking upright, but retained a lot of tree-climbing ability, had long arms and short legs. She had a brain roughly the size of chimps brains today, and she met her end at what is now a river plain in Ethiopia. NY Times has more. I am absolutely fascinated, but at the same time a little wary. A lot of "missing links" have been proven false. To make such a claim, a researcher would have to be either very brave, or very sure of his findings... either way, new discoveries are always exciting! I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the science community give their input on this, now that the discovery is being widely published.
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#2 GabuEx
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Interesting, although at this point in time new evolutionary links are more just interesting than of utmost importance regarding evolution - contrary to still-popular belief, there is no "missing link" in existence without which we cannot conclude that evolution is true. :P
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#3 ChiliDragon
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contrary to still-popular belief, there is no "missing link" in existence without which we cannot conclude that evolution is true. :PGabuEx
Of course not. But that doesn't make it any less fascinating. :)
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Interesting, although at this point in time new evolutionary links are more just interesting than of utmost importance regarding evolution - contrary to still-popular belief, there is no "missing link" in existence without which we cannot conclude that evolution is true. :PGabuEx

True... but we had the form that came before, and the one that came after this one (Australopithecus), and we knew this one had to exist. But now we've found it, and once again, further cemented evolution's predictability.
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#5 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]contrary to still-popular belief, there is no "missing link" in existence without which we cannot conclude that evolution is true. :PChiliDragon
Of course not. But that doesn't make it any less fascinating. :)

Oh, no argument from me on that.  I just hate all this "missing link" hubbub.  It adds credibility to the whole business of "nuh uh, you still haven't found this fossil, so you can't say that evolution is true!"

(Of course, then again, many deny outright that any transitional fossils have ever been found...)

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#6 MetalGear_Ninty
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There is no evidence in the world that would convince some people of evolution's validity.

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#7 foxhound_fox
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There is no evidence in the world that would convince some people of evolution's validity.

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Well... there is the dog giving birth to a cat or the crocoduck. That would work for some people.
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#8 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

There is no evidence in the world that would convince some people of evolution's validity.

foxhound_fox


Well... there is the dog giving birth to a cat or the crocoduck. That would work for some people.

Touche.

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#9 Dr_AlanGrant
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Oh, no argument from me on that.  I just hate all this "missing link" hubbub.  It adds credibility to the whole business of "nuh uh, you still haven't found this fossil, so you can't say that evolution is true!"

GabuEx

I agree. It reminds me of this pic: 

 

Anyway, this was a interesting find. I'm looking forward to more finds to help improve our understanding of human evolution. 

Also, here is a blog post explaining the fossil that some might find interesting: http://scienceblogs.com/laelaps/2009/10/will_the_earliest-known_homini.php#more

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A great, interesting find.  I'm with most of you, I don't see this as a "missing link", and I don't think we will ever truly find one either.
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#11 GabuEx
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A great, interesting find.  I'm with most of you, I don't see this as a "missing link", and I don't think we will ever truly find one either.btaylor2404

Well, it is a missing link; there's no question about it.  It offers insight that we previously did not have regarding our evolutionary history.  It's just not "the" missing link.

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#12 btaylor2404
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[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]A great, interesting find.  I'm with most of you, I don't see this as a "missing link", and I don't think we will ever truly find one either.GabuEx

Well, it is a missing link; there's no question about it.  It offers insight that we previously did not have regarding our evolutionary history.  It's just not "the" missing link.

 

What I mean by "missing link" Gabu is a fossil that is an obvious step from on species to another.  Sadly this is ingrained in many peoples mind as a "must find" to prove evolution, and I don't think we'll find this type of fossil since we all probably agree evolution takes a lot of time.  That was garbled, hope I made sense :P.

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i remember seeing an article about this. Heres a link to some other article i found about it
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Interesting, although at this point in time new evolutionary links are more just interesting than of utmost importance regarding evolution - contrary to still-popular belief, there is no "missing link" in existence without which we cannot conclude that evolution is true. :PGabuEx
I think there is some misunderstanding about the phrase "evolution is fact".

When an atheist tells that to a theist, I think they take it as if it's a fact that it all happened through natural selection and that it is "proved" that it can all happen naturally without God. This is why we hear "oh lolz it's not fact, stop kidding yourself".

The fact of evolution is that it happened on our planet, there's no doubt about that. The theories of evolution are the explanations of how it all happened, there are still many unasnwered questions like the formation of the heart, wings, the hairloss of the human body etc etc.

Believing that it all happened through natural selection requires a bit of belief but to believe that evolution happened is not really a belief but more like accepting the truth.