E3 2010 Discussion Thread

It's that time of year yet again!

Nintendo's press conference is scheduled for Tuesday morning, and everyone seems to be anticipating a full unveiling of the 3DS as well as a brand new console Zelda game. Pretty exciting, if I do say so myself (almost a bit overdo, actually). Let's hope for the best!

I don't really know what to expect from Nintendo this year. 3DS, Zelda, OH! Cammie talking for an hour about how cool and hip Vitality Sensor is! And then Reggie plays Wii Party on stage with Iwata, Cammie, and someone else. Yep, can't wait :roll:

Seriously though ... I hope they impress me and do something a little different than what we're used to. 

I'll give a quick rundown of my impressions:

• To my surprise, one of the least exciting aspects of this conference was Zelda. It looks like a fugly cross of TP and WW, and they did a horrible job of demonstrating how the game works. I hope, for their sake, that it truly was technical difficulty
• Nintendo needs to start giving less cheesy subtitles to their game... Skyward Sword? Epic Yarn? How about "Nintendo Corporation: WTF?"
• On a much more positive note, the 3DS looks VERY promising, and I'm honestly pretty excited about it. Very impressive that they managed to get so many high-profile third party games for the system too. And those graphics? It's nice to see portable graphics evolve. There are still a lot of unanswered questions though - does it still use cartridges? When will it release? Is it going to have a ridiculous pricepoint? (I imagine it won't, considering Nintendo aims for mainstream, but still...)
• Additionally, I must give Nintendo credit in that they are brilliant in dealing with the public. They had a much more professional and well put-together conference than Microsoft. They clearly know what they're doing.

Had Zelda not disappointed, I would have given this conference an A... but because it made me raise my eyebrows so much, I'll give Nintendo a B+. Much better than last year, though.

OMG, Kirby's Epic Yarn is so ****ing cute! I don't care if the game is easy as hell and total crap, I'm getting it just because it's so god damn cute! ^(-^.^-)^bededog

Well that was refreshing to come on here and see. It definitely looked pretty adorable, and even fun! I just wish they'd come up with a better name than "Epic Yarn".

I'll give a quick rundown of my impressions:

• To my surprise, one of the least exciting aspects of this conference was Zelda. It looks like a fugly cross of TP and WW, and they did a horrible job of demonstrating how the game works. I hope, for their sake, that it truly was technical difficulty
• Nintendo needs to start giving less cheesy subtitles to their game... Skyward Sword? Epic Yarn? How about "Nintendo Corporation: WTF?"
• On a much more positive note, the 3DS looks VERY promising, and I'm honestly pretty excited about it. Very impressive that they managed to get so many high-profile third party games for the system too. And those graphics? It's nice to see portable graphics evolve. There are still a lot of unanswered questions though - does it still use cartridges? When will it release? Is it going to have a ridiculous pricepoint? (I imagine it won't, considering Nintendo aims for mainstream, but still...)
• Additionally, I must give Nintendo credit in that they are brilliant in dealing with the public. They had a much more professional and well put-together conference than Microsoft. They clearly know what they're doing.

Had Zelda not disappointed, I would have given this conference an A... but because it made me raise my eyebrows so much, I'll give Nintendo a B+. Much better than last year, though.

REVOLUTIONfreak

[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]

I'll give a quick rundown of my impressions:

• To my surprise, one of the least exciting aspects of this conference was Zelda. It looks like a fugly cross of TP and WW, and they did a horrible job of demonstrating how the game works. I hope, for their sake, that it truly was technical difficulty
• Nintendo needs to start giving less cheesy subtitles to their game... Skyward Sword? Epic Yarn? How about "Nintendo Corporation: WTF?"
• On a much more positive note, the 3DS looks VERY promising, and I'm honestly pretty excited about it. Very impressive that they managed to get so many high-profile third party games for the system too. And those graphics? It's nice to see portable graphics evolve. There are still a lot of unanswered questions though - does it still use cartridges? When will it release? Is it going to have a ridiculous pricepoint? (I imagine it won't, considering Nintendo aims for mainstream, but still...)
• Additionally, I must give Nintendo credit in that they are brilliant in dealing with the public. They had a much more professional and well put-together conference than Microsoft. They clearly know what they're doing.

Had Zelda not disappointed, I would have given this conference an A... but because it made me raise my eyebrows so much, I'll give Nintendo a B+. Much better than last year, though.

bededog

Judging from the reaction of critics and media members, I think it's fair to say Nintendo has won E3 out of the "big three". They really didn't hold back, and presented everything you'd expect to have in a gaming press conference. As one of the Gamespot editors pointed out, they didn't need to give everyone free hardware to garner applause, they let the games do all of the talking.

EDIT: IGN is saying that there is strong evidence of Ocarina of Time being remade for the 3DS! (there are even screens) ... I think that this, combined with a remake of Starfox 64 and an awesome-looking new Mario Kart, completely solidify this as one of my favorite E3s of all time.

Ahhhh! I just can't believe how excited Nintendo has me! The only disappointments I've found here, are that the Metal Gear Solid and Kingdom Hearts games are remakes (well, MGS is... no confirmation on KH, but it looks like one), and that they still haven't announced a launch date for the 3DS. But those definitely aren't enough to keep me from being psyched!

And I'm really curious to see what they do with the Starfox 64 remake. Online co-op, maybe? That would be sweet.

Nintendo won e3 hands down. Everyone I talked to at school agreed (and seriously, it's a school of game devs lol). 3DS alone announced more games than they had to, even if it's just titles. Street Fighter IV, Saints Row, Resident Evil, THREE Shin Megami Tensei games, f***ing Paper Mario, there's just so much there that no one can rightfully complain about it.

As for the Wii, they did fine, MUCH better than Sony and especially Microsoft. Donkey Kong, Kirby, Zelda (everyone I've talked to loves it, high poly-count Ocarina of Time graphics-style); and Goldeneye is pure nostalgia, it will sell millions on name alone, Activision knows this, they know they don't have to make it look good even though they really should.

I wonder what online play will be like for the 3DS. Please Nintendo, for the love of god get ride of friend codes! And add 802.11n/g with WPA 2 support! bededog

I wonder if they should add a second analog slider.

[QUOTE="bededog"]I wonder what online play will be like for the 3DS. Please Nintendo, for the love of god get ride of friend codes! And add 802.11n/g with WPA 2 support! gameman9

I wonder if they should add a second analog slider.

[QUOTE="gameman9"]

[QUOTE="bededog"]I wonder what online play will be like for the 3DS. Please Nintendo, for the love of god get ride of friend codes! And add 802.11n/g with WPA 2 support! REVOLUTIONfreak

I wonder if they should add a second analog slider.

I guess that can work. I just want to see it in action.

First of all I think the new Zelda game looks ok. I mean, let's face it; the Wii can't pull off realistic graphics like the Xbox 360 so a return to cell-shading seems fitting. But using the TP Link for that? Well that's just odd but I hope the game turns out to be good.

 I freakin' love the 3DS, but come on.... PSP graphics?? At this point I'm more interested in seeing what kind of graphics the PSP2 coul pull out instead. Plus the console just looks awful when the lid is closed (phat DS anyone?) I might wait for a redesign, I mean seriously after having the sexy DS Lite and DSi why go back to a look à la Phat DS? Graphics, as I said, are not bad considering it's still a major progress over the DS but it's nothing we haven't already seen; the PSP has had pretty much the same (if not slightly superior) graphics for 5 years.

But as for the games? I'm loving it :D

^ The 3DS has shown stuff I have yet to see on a PSP, PSP looks great, and the fact that the 3DS looks as good if not better is pretty amazing. The PSP does not have to render everything twice like the 3DS does, so it is a very large step up. I'll say it again, Skyward Sword looks great, I'd love to try it myself, but that won't happen for a while. I'm very happy with what I've seen (it really isn't quite so cell shaded though as they've done for the 'Wind Waker series', no more cell shaded than Mario Galaxy or the new Donkey Kong, it just looks good).

Nintendo definitely impressed me the most, Sony in second, and Microsoft put me to sleep. I'm excited to be playing Portal 2 next year on my PS3 (no way my PC will be able to handle it, and the PS3 version will have cross platform play with PC anyway). Twisted Metal looked okay, not a big deal for me since I haven't played the series before. Sly Collection though I do want, as I never played those games either, and if its as good of a bargain as the God of War Collection it will be great. AND a solid release date for Gran Turismo 5! (very excited)

First of all I think the new Zelda game looks ok. I mean, let's face it; the Wii can't pull off realistic graphics like the Xbox 360 so a return to cell-shading seems fitting. But using the TP Link for that? Well that's just odd but I hope the game turns out to be good.

I freakin' love the 3DS, but come on.... PSP graphics?? At this point I'm more interested in seeing what kind of graphics the PSP2 coul pull out instead. Plus the console just looks awful when the lid is closed (phat DS anyone?) I might wait for a redesign, I mean seriously after having the sexy DS Lite and DSi why go back to a look à la Phat DS? Graphics, as I said, are not bad considering it's still a major progress over the DS but it's nothing we haven't already seen; the PSP has had pretty much the same (if not slightly superior) graphics for 5 years.

But as for the games? I'm loving it :D

lebanese_boy

Also, let us not forget that the graphical difference between the DS and PSP last generation was also what caused the PRICE difference.

I must say the trailer for Resident Evil: Revelations is BEAUTIFUL (http://kotaku.com/5569362/see-resident-evil-3ds-in-action). If that was all CG than it probably would have looked better than it does, as you can clearly see polygons and some aliasing, but that doesn't mean it doesn't look amazingPhantom5800

[QUOTE="lebanese_boy"]

First of all I think the new Zelda game looks ok. I mean, let's face it; the Wii can't pull off realistic graphics like the Xbox 360 so a return to cell-shading seems fitting. But using the TP Link for that? Well that's just odd but I hope the game turns out to be good.

I freakin' love the 3DS, but come on.... PSP graphics?? At this point I'm more interested in seeing what kind of graphics the PSP2 coul pull out instead. Plus the console just looks awful when the lid is closed (phat DS anyone?) I might wait for a redesign, I mean seriously after having the sexy DS Lite and DSi why go back to a look à la Phat DS? Graphics, as I said, are not bad considering it's still a major progress over the DS but it's nothing we haven't already seen; the PSP has had pretty much the same (if not slightly superior) graphics for 5 years.

But as for the games? I'm loving it :D

REVOLUTIONfreak

Also, let us not forget that the graphical difference between the DS and PSP last generation was also what caused the PRICE difference.

I don't where you get your info from buddy but a demo game is SUPPOSED to show what the system is capable of and if (according to youin this case) it fails to do that than it doesn't promise much.

Also it baffles me as to how you can think that Metal Gear Solid 3D looks  FAR better than Peace Walker, get a 2nd check. 

As for the 3D aspect, I agree that we need to wait to get our hands on it to judge it. It MAY also affect the graphical display (meaning that it would somehow look better in motion).

When I said that the console looks awful when the lid is closed I was talking about it's shape. With the DS Lite you get a perfectly rounded rectangle but with 3DS you get disproportionate shape that only reminds you of the DS Phat.

Graphics were only ONE of the factors as to why the PSP phat was overpriced; the thing was loaded with lots of useless features that got stripped off when the PSP Slim was released. Plus it was far more powerful than the DS and was capable of so much more. Sony basically put a monster in your hands (back in 2005) and all that was way too soon and expensive for it's time. Hopefully Sony learned it's mistakes and will strike back much harder at Nintendo this gen.

[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="lebanese_boy"]

First of all I think the new Zelda game looks ok. I mean, let's face it; the Wii can't pull off realistic graphics like the Xbox 360 so a return to cell-shading seems fitting. But using the TP Link for that? Well that's just odd but I hope the game turns out to be good.

I freakin' love the 3DS, but come on.... PSP graphics?? At this point I'm more interested in seeing what kind of graphics the PSP2 coul pull out instead. Plus the console just looks awful when the lid is closed (phat DS anyone?) I might wait for a redesign, I mean seriously after having the sexy DS Lite and DSi why go back to a look à la Phat DS? Graphics, as I said, are not bad considering it's still a major progress over the DS but it's nothing we haven't already seen; the PSP has had pretty much the same (if not slightly superior) graphics for 5 years.

But as for the games? I'm loving it :D

lebanese_boy

Also, let us not forget that the graphical difference between the DS and PSP last generation was also what caused the PRICE difference.

I don't where you get your info from buddy but a demo game is SUPPOSED to show what the system is capable of and if (according to youin this case) it fails to do that than it doesn't promise much.

Also it baffles me as to how you can think that Metal Gear Solid 3D looks FAR better than Peace Walker, get a 2nd check.

As for the 3D aspect, I agree that we need to wait to get our hands on it to judge it. It MAY also affect the graphical display (meaning that it would somehow look better in motion).

When I said that the console looks awful when the lid is closed I was talking about it's shape. With the DS Lite you get a perfectly rounded rectangle but with 3DS you get disproportionate shape that only reminds you of the DS Phat.

Graphics were only ONE of the factors as to why the PSP phat was overpriced; the thing was loaded with lots of useless features that got stripped off when the PSP Slim was released. Plus it was far more powerful than the DS and was capable of so much more. Sony basically put a monster in your hands (back in 2005) and all that was way too soon and expensive for it's time. Hopefully Sony learned it's mistakes and will strike back much harder at Nintendo this gen.

Either way, it's premature to be judging on any of this. The 3DS won't be out until next year, so it still has plenty of time to be perfected. I'm not expecting the handheld to look the same the next time we see it, and I really don't think it's fair to judge the system graphically until we see it with our own eyes. Although I personally don't quite get the complaints, it's a major upgrade graphically from the DS, and developers seem to be happy with it.

As for the PSP, I hope Sony just lets the brand die. The real portable war is between Nintendo and Apple, not Nintendo and Sony.

[QUOTE="lebanese_boy"][QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="lebanese_boy"]

First of all I think the new Zelda game looks ok. I mean, let's face it; the Wii can't pull off realistic graphics like the Xbox 360 so a return to cell-shading seems fitting. But using the TP Link for that? Well that's just odd but I hope the game turns out to be good.

I freakin' love the 3DS, but come on.... PSP graphics?? At this point I'm more interested in seeing what kind of graphics the PSP2 coul pull out instead. Plus the console just looks awful when the lid is closed (phat DS anyone?) I might wait for a redesign, I mean seriously after having the sexy DS Lite and DSi why go back to a look à la Phat DS? Graphics, as I said, are not bad considering it's still a major progress over the DS but it's nothing we haven't already seen; the PSP has had pretty much the same (if not slightly superior) graphics for 5 years.

But as for the games? I'm loving it :D

REVOLUTIONfreak

Also, let us not forget that the graphical difference between the DS and PSP last generation was also what caused the PRICE difference.

I don't where you get your info from buddy but a demo game is SUPPOSED to show what the system is capable of and if (according to youin this case) it fails to do that than it doesn't promise much.

Also it baffles me as to how you can think that Metal Gear Solid 3D looks FAR better than Peace Walker, get a 2nd check.

As for the 3D aspect, I agree that we need to wait to get our hands on it to judge it. It MAY also affect the graphical display (meaning that it would somehow look better in motion).

When I said that the console looks awful when the lid is closed I was talking about it's shape. With the DS Lite you get a perfectly rounded rectangle but with 3DS you get disproportionate shape that only reminds you of the DS Phat.

Graphics were only ONE of the factors as to why the PSP phat was overpriced; the thing was loaded with lots of useless features that got stripped off when the PSP Slim was released. Plus it was far more powerful than the DS and was capable of so much more. Sony basically put a monster in your hands (back in 2005) and all that was way too soon and expensive for it's time. Hopefully Sony learned it's mistakes and will strike back much harder at Nintendo this gen.

Either way, it's premature to be judging on any of this. The 3DS won't be out until next year, so it still has plenty of time to be perfected. I'm not expecting the handheld to look the same the next time we see it, and I really don't think it's fair to judge the system graphically until we see it with our own eyes. Although I personally don't quite get the complaints, it's a major upgrade graphically from the DS, and developers seem to be happy with it.

As for the PSP, I hope Sony just lets the brand die. The real portable war is between Nintendo and Apple, not Nintendo and Sony.

Ha, same here.

You know you talk an awful lot about not judging the system until it comes out and whatnot.... yet you rule out Sony's potential next handheld without even knowing a single detail about it. For all we know it could become the next big thing.... or not.

3DS visuals are much better than the DS's and that's good, I just think that Nintendo could have made it much better without making it more expensive or anything. Some other people also agree that visuals could have been better, even if it's for other reasons. Oddly enough, this is also coming from developpers.

3DS visuals are much better than the DS's and that's good, I just think that Nintendo could have made it much better without making it more expensive or anything. Some other people also agree that visuals could have been better, even if it's for other reasons. Oddly enough, this is also coming from developpers.

lebanese_boy

As for Sony ... when they do make a new handheld, I hope it is compatible with the current PSP games because that could very well get me to buy one. There are plenty of PSP games I want, I just don't have the money to spend on a console when there are so many games for what I already have. Sony started slow this generation, but they have picked up a lot of momentum in the last couple years while Microsoft continues to rely on timed exclusives games/content (and the occasional Halo/Gears/Fable/Forza), Sony and Nintendo are both releasing great first party games.