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#1 Gary_Jinfield
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As the name implies, this is a theory, a most intricate theory of Link, a beloved hero, falling into the darkness and essentially becoming what he fought against, evil. Now, it is imperative to come in with an open mind. Just forget what ever thoughts or beliefs you may have of Link after his epic adventures. Keeping to those thoughts, will just destroy what this theory is trying to accomplish and as all aspects of life, you are more likely to get more out of it, if you come in with a mind open to possibilities and willing to expand upon thoughts and ideas. At any rate, this is a theory I don’t really see among the countless web sites that stand as tributes to the beloved Zelda series. I’m sure someone else may have thought of it first, but I have not really seen any topic regarding this subject. I don’t find it surprising that’s its not a possible theory since its basically speculation but, as long as there is no new Zelda game to play (Twilight Princess is still far off) its great to pass the time speculation about different aspects of the series, especially the darker, more mysterious aspects, thus presented to you, is The Link Gone Evil Theory!

Its best to start at the beginning, not at the very beginning, but the beginning in which the topic or aspect first surfaces. I suppose its best to state which Link the title refers to, the keen eyed or just the ones who pay attention to details may have already come to the realization. For those who are still in the dark, the Link being referred to is the mighty Hero of Time, the savior of Hyrule in Ocarina of Time and Termina in Majora’s Mask. This is the Link that is arguably the most loved from the many heroes that have also shared the name. He was the first to be placed within the 3d world and stared in a game that has been constantly regarded by many to be the greatest game ever created. It is no surprise that this game is the standard by which all Zelda games that have come after are judged by. There is a saying that if one wants to be the best, one must beat the best. So far, no Zelda game has matched Ocarina of Time, but that’s not the point. The point is, as many can deduce from the title of this article, the Link that passes through the flow of time, defeats Ganon and Skull Kid, and ultimately saves two lands from being destroyed by evil, along with their populace, ends up becoming evil. Sounds crazy? Well it should. Is it impossible? Not entirely…

It all begins with Ocarina of Time. Our young hero was raised in a rather friendly forest and although he seemed to get along rather well with most of the kids, he already was isolated from them. He stood out and was perceived as different even at such an early age before his quest had begun. Link, unlike the others within the community, does not have a fairy. Even when he gets one, he immediately begins his quest, which has become legendary and nearly every Zelda fan is familiar with.

Now Link begins this quest and meets many different people, dangers, and puzzles. Much as the other Link’s he uses his courage (as well as a bit of luck) to help out anyone he meets and finish the quest he has undertaken. Events precede as normal, until one of the most important scenes in Ocarina of Time and even the entire Zelda series itself. Something goes horribly, horribly wrong. Upon drawing the Master Sword, Link’s spirit is set in a dormant state, waiting for the time when he has aged enough to reach the requirements of becoming the Hero of Time. During these seven years, Ganon takes over Hyrule and corrupts everything in sight leaving quite a mess for Link to clean up when he is ready. This is the first point of interest to those who support this theory (second if you count Link being different as a child). Imagine, if you will, the sheer difference between a ten year old (even a very mature one) and a seventeen year old. Quite staggering isn’t it? Imagine just how Link must of felt in his new body. The change would take some getting used too and the sheer difference mentally would be interesting and not doubt overwhelming. We can only speculate onto the extent of the changes that took place, (And just how exactly did his cloths grow with him?) but many would agree that the experience afterwards, adventuring through all those temples and looking upon a much darker world, where the wonderment and joy of youth was gone, would be quite life altering indeed. Link finds a dark world, where he had once joyfully explored and meet many new people, who were now suffering more then ever. Furthermore, his childhood was gone at that point. Even if he were to return to his youth (which he did), there would no doubt be a great change in him. He would have experienced something of such a stature that no one else could ever even begin understand. He had lived a life as an adult, experienced things that a ten year old would not be able to comprehend, or at least most ten year olds could not comprehend. Link was for beyond his years at the end of Ocarina of Time. More likely then not, he would become a lot more thoughtful, and feel a lot more isolated. I mean, going a quest to save a land is different enough, but becoming seventeen years old and going on the experience the world through such a perspective is rare indeed.

Fast forward to Majora’s Mask, where Link is wandering through a the Lost Woods, looking for Navi. She was the only friend that had experienced a similar experience that what Link had. Her leaving him had really isolated him. No one else knew of full adventure that Link undertook. Even though he had fought so hard to save this land, he now had quickly left it in search of a friend. Seeing Link ride through the forest at the beginning of the game, he seemed alone and even deep in thought. At least that may explain why he was caught so of guard. He almost seemed sad, although that is based upon one’s own perception and opinion. IT does however, fit with the feel of the game as well with the scene with Zelda later on when Link recovers his stolen Ocarina from the Skull Kid. In it, Link was leaving Hyrule, much quicker then the princess anticipated. Couple this with the statement at the beginning of the game. How he had left the land that made him a legend.

Speaking of the beginning of Majora’s Mask, during the Link trying to follow Skull Kid but is beaten back by Talt sequence, he seems to give up after awhile, just sitting while Skull Kid floats away. Now, the scenario is bad, he had just been transformed into a Deku Scrub which seemed to be quite a horrifying experience in itself and was now stuck in this body, his horse had been taken, he was (lets face it) lost, and the Ocarina of Time had been taken as well. Quite a predicament indeed and it sets the mood for the game. It seems pretty hopeless, as if there is no way to win against evil. This albeit depression setting was the finer point of the game as the story is expanded on like never before. As such, there are many characters with dark tales that are never fully resolved . Its shows how the effects of evil can never be destroyed, they can be built upon and transform into something that has a positive effect, but evil can never be erased. Players are introduced unknowingly near the beginning of the game to such a character and it is only at the end that one can discover the identity of a seemingly random inclusion. Of course it is the Deku Butler’s Son. Near the beginning, what remains of the son is used as a means to test out the Z targeting. Upon further inspection, Talt notices how the subject in question looks sad. She also ominously comments on how Link in his current form looks a lot like the “subject”. Could it be that the Deku mask is based upon the Butler’s son? That would explain on how Talt and the Butler comment on Link resembling the son. It is tragic story indeed, especially if this be true. All this foreshadowing reaches a climax at the very end where the Butler is seen , apparently crying in front of the twisted image of a Deku. There is no “happy ending” ending for the Butler. Just like there may be no “happy ending” for the Hero of Time.

The Butler and his son is but one instance of where good did not win, as it cannot erase what evil has done, just build upon it. The three main transformation masks each chronicle the story of character that was in the end defeated by the evil that was unleashed by Skull Kid. The Goron’s mask was attained when the mighty Goron hero Daramani left the task of saving the Goron race to Link. Daramani had died and failed his people. He had been tormented by this event and only wished now that his people could he saved. In the particularly touching scene activated with the Song of Healing, we see Daramani, in front of a crowd of Gorons, all chanting his name. This event causes Daramani to break out in tears. He never wished to fail his people. He wanted to uphold the task he had been given and save them, to become a true hero. Alas, this could not occur for he was dead so Link was given the responsibility. A similar event occurs when attaining the Zora mask. Mikau washes on shore, and in his dying breath, he informs Link of what has occurred. We then see another scene activated by the Song of Healing where Mikau is playing with his band mates. They are his trusted comrades and he no doubt cares for them deeply, especially Lulu who’s eggs he wanted to save but, was unable. The scene is just as sad as the one with Daramani, for it is known that he cannot now succeed. He thus, entrusts Link with this quest (who at this point is more then capable) and dies. Link builds a small memorial for Mikau and bows his head in respect. It is clear by now if it hasn’t been before, that Link is well beyond his years. Many children at his age see a world filled with wonder and excitement, even in dark times. Yet with the Hero of Time, the world is slowly coming to an end as it sinks deeper and deeper into an abyss of despair. There are many more instances of such a dark occurrence, such as the Anju and Kafie story where he is still stuck within a child’s body, even on his wedding day, the failed dream of Gorman, or the entire Ikana Kingdom really.

Now what does this have to do with Link becoming evil? Well, besides providing a dark theme to the game, it provides quite a mental strain for Link. Being a hero, he has gone to extraordinary lengths to aid people in their troubles. Its what Link does and is often compelled to do considering all the side quests that were present in Ocarina of Time. It must have thus, been incredibly unnerving to know that one could do nothing for the people. Link was caught in a constant loop of time that kept him from really being able to help anyone for, it would just be erased. All he could do was gain the objects and abilities he needed to defeat Skull Kid. Sure at the end, the good deeds appear to occur, but during the course of the game, Link must know many negative events were to occur but, not do anything about it for something else needed to be done. He may have even reasoned with himself “even if I do help (so and so), it will just be like it never happened in three days”. Quite maddening especially considering some of the negative events that occur such as Cremia’s abduction by Aliens. Link would also be maddened after awhile by the constant repetition of events. He would have to meet everyone for the first time again, and again, and again. It would be the ultimate form of isolation and difference. Two traits that are not known as positive factors upon people. Not to mention that insanity could soon follow. There are many idealists that state that change is the key to life. Novels such as the

Chrysalids, and scientific accepted theories such as the Theory of Evolution support this claim. Link would be confined to a world where he could not grow or progress. Anyone who has watched the movie Groundhog’s Day has a visual diagram of what the effects of such an event as a time loop can have. Link is a strong guy though, it would take something of equal or greater strength to finally conquer him.
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Now enters the final piece of the puzzle, the final brick in the wall, the Fierce Deity Mask. Now what makes this mask so special? For one thing, all the other masks in the game need to be collected and traded in to attain it. Furthermore, the mask transforms Link into an almighty worrier who can then easily defeat Majora’s Mask with very little trouble. Now, Link gains this mask at end of the game, only if he surrendered all his masks to the other four children within the moon. The last child remaining, is wearing a the Majora’s Mask. When talking to him, he will give Link the mighty Fierce Deity Mask to make the coming battle more even, yet his words are odd. He seems to be under the distinct impression that Link is the bad guy, by putting on that mask, Link would be playing the bad guy in their coming “game”. To further add to this ominous statement, the description of the mask gives the impression that the mask is a lot like the Majora’s Mask in that it is evil. Remembering the effects it had on Skull Kid, would it not be possible that this mask would have a similar effect? It is most likely true that the Skull Kid was weaker mentally then Link, and that the Skull Kid had just suffered a serious blow in losing his friends the four giants seemingly forever, (As documented in Anju’s grandmother’s stories) but, has not just Link undergone serious mentally exhausting trials? Not only from the quest of Majora’s Mask, but also of the time traveling conducted in Ocarina of Time. The Fierce Deity Mask also seemed stronger then Majora’s Mask. Players found it easy to vanquish Majora once the mask was used. That is a sign of some serious power, especially considering all the evil Majora was able to inflict upon Termina and all the lives that had taken a turn for the worse. The evil of the mask had spread throughout the entire land, and now, Link has attained a power of at least equal strength. Of course, that’s assuming he used the mask which is highly likely. it’s a general rule of thumb in video games that whatever quests are available in a game, it would be expected that they all be finished. Why else add the Fierce Deity mask to game? Its not impossible to beat Majora without the mask.

The ease of beating Majora with the mask has left many to question why Nintendo added such a seemingly random item into the game. Was it some kind of fanfare for not having an adult Link? That seems unlikely, especially when considering a game that came out later on, Wind Waker, which was met with very negative responses but, was still released as Nintendo had first planned. It seems far more likely that the mask has some greater significance that might relate to the Zelda series as a whole. The mask, most definitely reeks of evil and power, yet Link uses the item anyway. Players are never able to find out how the event effected Link just that for once, the first time in Zelda history, Link was not the underdog. Considering all the other bosses and all the other Link’s, who would ever pick a boy in a green tunic to defeat the King of Evil, or a great sorcerer? Yet it occurred, and good was able to finally put a stop to evil, but now, in Majora’s Mask, not only is this Link an experienced hero who has proven himself, he is also wielding a power so great that the enemy becomes but, a fly that he must swat. Even the name of the mask reflects this, as deity is most often regarded as an entity that is much like a god. Fierce is a word used to define something of particular fury and strength. The name of the mask in Japanese, literally translates to “Angry God Link”, a very interesting term indeed.

The power that Link attains is like nothing any other Link has ever attained. He is almighty powerful, and has experienced a power like no other. This is quite a unique event in the Zelda series, and like all unique events, would most likely produce an effect unlike any other. The Hero of Time’s tales are tragic and are filled with pain. While other Links are able to reunite with their loved ones once the quest is done, this is not the case with the Hero of Time, seemingly doomed to a life of isolation. Players never really witness if Link has been greatly effected by the adventure. He is simply seen riding off into a forest, perhaps in search of a way home. Unfortunately none of the other games have any source of evidence to support that Link arrived home. In fact, it is most probable that he wouldn’t be able to, at least in his current form. It is unknown what occurred to the Fierce Deity Mask after the battle with Majora, but it seems just as likely as not that Link kept it, why would he throw such a powerful object away? Some creature would be likely to pick it up and you would have Majora’s Mask all over again. By keeping the mask, Link would be doing the land a service, yet he would also be prone to using the mask again, especially if he is stuck in Termina attempting to get back to Hyrule. At this point, he would most likely be rather vulnerable. Much like smoking and drugs, power is also very addicting. It also has the added bonus of causing corruption. Add all this to the mask already being known as being evil, and Link using the mask and becoming evil does not seem as such an impossible notion. In fact, it is much more plausible then the “Link living happily ever after” theory that is believed to be true by many Zelda fans. This may be the case for the other Links, but this Link is different. This Link stands out from the crowd and is unique. It is this uniqueness that dictates that his fate should be different, for he has experienced many events and factors that the others have not.

From a story wise stand point, this would be a brilliant move by Nintendo and would fit well with the darkened atmosphere of Majora’s Mask. Throughout many popular franchises such as Star Wars and the Metal Gear series, the creators have created back stories to some of the main villains, allowing fans to sympathize with the characters and adding a lot more depth to them. The only flaw with such an arrangement, is that in the end, fans know that the character in question will become evil. This takes away some of the excitement and intrigue of when the character actually becomes evil and the surprise that would then be unleashed. Would it then not be amazing if the Hero of Time became evil? It would be one of the most defining moments within the series, for many played as him, many knew that he was working for good and gave so much to defeat evil, enduring many hardships in the process. To see such a beloved and heroic hero fall from grace and become embedded with darkness would be one of the most shocking and tragic events to occur. The Hero of Time would become a tragic hero within the series and would forever stand out as different among the many Links even as he had long ago among the Kokiri children.

For all those nay sayers, just think about what the Zelda series is. It is an ever changing world that drastically differs itself from any other series out there. Is that not why the series is so beloved among fans and critics alike? There is always some new adventure, some new twist that keeps the series feeling as it had when the original Legend of Zelda came out. This would be a large change, yet would still make sense logically. The Hero of Time’s adventures would always be remembered as great accomplishments for the side of good, for like evil, good cannot be destroyed or erased as well, only built upon. The Hero of Time will always be the Hero of Time, what happens afterwards however, is open for discussion. Just don’t be surprised or saddened if an evil Link arises, for at the least there is bound to be another hero to rise up against him and continue the battle of good vs. evil.

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#3 OhhSnap50893
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wow- you put a lot of thought into that ... seems kinda fishy but i guess it might be true
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#4 nuck44
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Started reading .... then realized how long it was -_-;;

Will read it later, must do Physics now :P, also, Gary, the first paragraph has great potential .. mind if we post it on the front page later?
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Started reading .... then realized how long it was -_-;;

Will read it later, must do Physics now :P, also, Gary, the first paragraph has great potential .. mind if we post it on the front page later?
nuck44

you sure it'll fit ;) but thats a good idea

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[QUOTE="nuck44"]Started reading .... then realized how long it was -_-;;

Will read it later, must do Physics now :P, also, Gary, the first paragraph has great potential .. mind if we post it on the front page later?
OhhSnap50893

you sure it'll fit ;) but thats a good idea



I'll make a sweet graphic of an evil Link too!!! I can't wait :D
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[QUOTE="nuck44"]

[QUOTE="nuck44"]Started reading .... then realized how long it was -_-;;

Will read it later, must do Physics now :P, also, Gary, the first paragraph has great potential .. mind if we post it on the front page later?
OhhSnap50893

you sure it'll fit ;) but thats a good idea



I'll make a sweet graphic of an evil Link too!!! I can't wait :D



No one better take this idea!! GRRRR
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[QUOTE="nuck44"] [QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]

[QUOTE="nuck44"]Started reading .... then realized how long it was -_-;;

Will read it later, must do Physics now :P, also, Gary, the first paragraph has great potential .. mind if we post it on the front page later?
nuck44

you sure it'll fit ;) but thats a good idea



I'll make a sweet graphic of an evil Link too!!! I can't wait :D



No one better take this idea!! GRRRR

don't mess with Nuck (or he'll delete your posts :lol: )

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Started reading .... then realized how long it was -_-;;

Will read it later, must do Physics now :P, also, Gary, the first paragraph has great potential .. mind if we post it on the front page later?
nuck44

Sure, it would be an honor really.:D I have had this idea for awhile now and finally found the time to type it up. I hope everyone finds it as an interesting read.

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#10 seankulbeth
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Well, i agree, it would make a good game if link had to cope with his inner demons, and stop himself from killing everyone. And mabey some other evil could arise, and Link's battle system would be easy, but at certain times something happens to make battling harder, because the evil is trying to break out. I dont see them going into this much detail though.
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#11 OhhSnap50893
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[QUOTE="nuck44"]Started reading .... then realized how long it was -_-;;

Will read it later, must do Physics now :P, also, Gary, the first paragraph has great potential .. mind if we post it on the front page later?
Gary_Jinfield

Sure, it would be an honor really.:D I have had this idea for awhile now and finally found the time to type it up. I hope everyone finds it as an interesting read.

if they have the time to read the whole thing :lol:

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#12 seankulbeth
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wow, i come on and start reading with only 3 posts there, but when i finish my segment there are around 9. Wtf?
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wow, i come on and start reading with only 3 posts there, but when i finish my segment there are around 9. Wtf?seankulbeth


:lol:
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I havn't read it all, but from what I HAVE read, it is a very good theory. I will be sure to read more of it and post better comments as well
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I havn't read it all, but from what I HAVE read, it is a very good theory. I will be sure to read more of it and post better comments as wellDisgaeamad

i read most of it too :P

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#16 Gary_Jinfield
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Well so far, its been a pretty positive response.:D
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#17 OhhSnap50893
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well it's a good idea ;)
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#18 Leverish
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I like the theory. It's actually pretty interesting. :)

Good job, man; I can see you put a lot of effort into this.
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#19 OhhSnap50893
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yaa he definately did, i wonder if Nintendo will consider it :P
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#20 zr122
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holy cow dude that was fantastic. if someone was to write a story continuing on that theme it would be kick @$$.
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#21 burbidge87
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brilliant! i never thought of it that way, but it is amazing how well that would work.  it would be amazing if that did happen eventually, afer all it is "The legend of Zelda" not "the legend of Link."  i must say, however, that if you ever get into game design, if not already, i would personally see to it to get that idea across to the guys at nintendo, see what they think.  never know, you may have come up with the next blockbuster nintendo hit.
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#22 tubbs_master
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WOW what a long story... can u sum it up for me?
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#23 OhhSnap50893
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read it ;) trust me it's worth it :D
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#24 nuck44
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wow, just read through it! Awesome read and awesome theory.

Wouldn't it be crazy if the Villain in TP was actually the old Link?!?!?
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#25 OhhSnap50893
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wow, just read through it! Awesome read and awesome theory.

Wouldn't it be crazy if the Villain in TP was actually the old Link?!?!?
nuck44

that would be very cool, and from what i just read it's not entirely impossible :D

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#26 Calpalg
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I personally really like this theory and i plan to use (ohyeah SPOILERS for my fanfic) an altered version, where link becomes unstable and dangerous in my story. Nice no for actually making a full analysis of it though :D 
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#27 OhhSnap50893
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:P oo and Gary- i made you a banner for your theory but i made it on my laptop (dont get excited it's not very good :P) and the internet isn't working on it so i can't upload it now :cry: when i can though i'll give it to you ;)
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#28 Calpalg
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when do you think youll get it uploaded? i wanna see it :P
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#29 OhhSnap50893
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whenever we get the internet working on the laptop again -sigh- .... at this rate it won't be soon
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#30 Calpalg
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Oh yes, i forgot to mention: gary, you are a genius.
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#31 Disgaeamad
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....I'm speechless...Gary, that's one of the best theory's I have ever read, and well worth my time. There's nothing to add. because you used everything that is sayable, all I can tell you is that you have done a very great job with it.

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#32 nuck44
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[QUOTE="nuck44"]


I'll make a sweet graphic of an evil Link too!!! I can't wait :D
nuck44


No one better take this idea!! GRRRR



[QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]:P oo and Gary- i made you a banner for your theory but i made it on my laptop (dont get excited it's not very good :P) and the internet isn't working on it so i can't upload it now :cry: when i can though i'll give it to you ;)



:evil:

OH SNAP!
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#33 OhhSnap50893
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is that a good or bad mad? :P
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#34 nuck44
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is that a good or bad mad? :POhhSnap50893


:shock:
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#35 OhhSnap50893
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[QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]is that a good or bad mad? :Pnuck44


:shock:

no beating around the bush! :P

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#36 Disgaeamad
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[QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]is that a good or bad mad? :Pnuck44


:shock:

nuck, control youself! We don't want you to become the evil Link as Gary has been speaking about here...:P
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#37 Calpalg
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[QUOTE="nuck44"] [QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]is that a good or bad mad? :PDisgaeamad


:shock:

nuck, control youself! We don't want you to become the evil Link as Gary has been speaking about here...:P

:lol: indeed

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#38 OhhSnap50893
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[QUOTE="nuck44"] [QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]is that a good or bad mad? :PDisgaeamad


:shock:

nuck, control youself! We don't want you to become the evil Link as Gary has been speaking about here...:P

or like that Goron that was posted awhile back :P

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#39 nuck44
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[QUOTE="Disgaeamad"][QUOTE="nuck44"] [QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]is that a good or bad mad? :POhhSnap50893



:shock:

nuck, control youself! We don't want you to become the evil Link as Gary has been speaking about here...:P

or like that Goron that was posted awhile back :P



I'll be who I want to be! I'm the leader alright?! GameSpot gave me the Fierce Deity Mask ;)
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This is a good ,or rather evil, theory and it could explain the mystery of how Ganon was released form the Sacred Realm in the prologue of WW. Could it be the evil Hero of Time released him? (just a thought)
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#41 Calpalg
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This is a good ,or rather evil, theory and it could explain the mystery of how Ganon was released form the Sacred Realm in the prologue of WW. Could it be the evil Hero of Time released him? (just a thought) stonegate111

well he could but even if he went completely over the edge i think him releasing his old arch-nemesis is extremely unlikely. then again, anything can happen.

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#42 Gary_Jinfield
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Thanks for all the positive feed back!:D

[QUOTE="stonegate111"]This is a good ,or rather evil, theory and it could explain the mystery of how Ganon was released form the Sacred Realm in the prologue of WW. Could it be the evil Hero of Time released him? (just a thought) Calpalg

well he could but even if he went completely over the edge i think him releasing his old arch-nemesis is extremely unlikely. then again, anything can happen.

I don't think Link if he went evil would help out Ganon. His fall into darkness or more adequately, fall from grace would stem at its core, to his uniqueness. That is why he could be vulnerable to evil in the first place. These feelings would surface into hate at the world, which would lead to evil actions. Ganon was the one who signaled out Link in a sense in the first place. It was because of Ganon that Link needed to venture upon this quest. It was because of Ganon that he lost his youth. It was because of Ganon that this whole mess started. Sure, others were involved as well, but Ganon played a large role in the factors that would contribute to the Hero of Time's misery.

Majora's Mask and the Fierce Deity Mask seem to draw out the inner darkness within the wearer of the mask and cause it to manifest itself. The Skull Kid while wearing the mask still conducted actions that could still be regarded as pranks, except on a much larger and more dangerous scale. Furthermore, it became apparant that he wished to destroy the land that had taken away his friends. It was due to Termina and its inhabitance that the Skull Kid suffered misery. He seemed to have gone out of his way in the game just to punish the people the best he could, whether it be transforming Kafie into a child or causing a huge boulder to block Milk Road, which would keep the ranch from gaining help to fend off aliens, and keep them from delivering milk. The Skull Kid delighted in spreading chaos wherever he went and the mask took away that mental limit and morality which kept the Skull Kid from going out of control. It also gave him great power which not only corrupts, but was like giving a loaded gun to a Psychopath.

Power, as is often seen corrupts and keeps the victim wanting more. If this scenario occurs with Link becoming evil, why would he want Ganon to be set free? He would just be another obstacle in Link's hunt for more power. Link would not want to work with Ganon ether. Once your addicted to power, and want more, not only will no amount in the world satisfy your thirst but, you won't want to share any ether. Its greed at its worst, and appears greatly in the world today. Everyone wants to be better and will continue striving throughout life to be the best they can be and gain as much from life as possible, but if someone is really focused on something and don't care about anything else (as is seen with Ganon), they will most likely attempt to achieve their goals by any means necessery. To often do humans look at the goal and simply forget about what they need to do to attain that goal. Ganon is a perfect example of this and seems to be a collection of a what exactly is wrong with our society today.

Thats what evil is, a quest for more power. More specifically, more power then everyone else. That is why Ganon chose the Triforce of Power in the first place.

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#43 OhhSnap50893
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Thanks for all the positive feed back!:D

[QUOTE="Calpalg"]

[QUOTE="stonegate111"]This is a good ,or rather evil, theory and it could explain the mystery of how Ganon was released form the Sacred Realm in the prologue of WW. Could it be the evil Hero of Time released him? (just a thought) Gary_Jinfield

well he could but even if he went completely over the edge i think him releasing his old arch-nemesis is extremely unlikely. then again, anything can happen.

I don't think Link if he went evil would help out Ganon. His fall into darkness or more adequately, fall from grace would stem at its core, to his uniqueness. That is why he could be vulnerable to evil in the first place. These feelings would surface into hate at the world, which would lead to evil actions. Ganon was the one who signaled out Link in a sense in the first place. It was because of Ganon that Link needed to venture upon this quest. It was because of Ganon that he lost his youth. It was because of Ganon that this whole mess started. Sure, others were involved as well, but Ganon played a large role in the factors that would contribute to the Hero of Time's misery.

Majora's Mask and the Fierce Deity Mask seem to draw out the inner darkness within the wearer of the mask and cause it to manifest itself. The Skull Kid while wearing the mask still conducted actions that could still be regarded as pranks, except on a much larger and more dangerous scale. Furthermore, it became apparant that he wished to destroy the land that had taken away his friends. It was due to Termina and its inhabitance that the Skull Kid suffered misery. He seemed to have gone out of his way in the game just to punish the people the best he could, whether it be transforming Kafie into a child or causing a huge boulder to block Milk Road, which would keep the ranch from gaining help to fend off aliens, and keep them from delivering milk. The Skull Kid delighted in spreading chaos wherever he went and the mask took away that mental limit and morality which kept the Skull Kid from going out of control. It also gave him great power which not only corrupts, but was like giving a loaded gun to a Psychopath.

Power, as is often seen corrupts and keeps the victim wanting more. If this scenario occurs with Link becoming evil, why would he want Ganon to be set free? He would just be another obstacle in Link's hunt for more power. Link would not want to work with Ganon ether. Once your addicted to power, and want more, not only will no amount in the world satisfy your thirst but, you won't want to share any ether. Its greed at its worst, and appears greatly in the world today. Everyone wants to be better and will continue striving throughout life to be the best they can be and gain as much from life as possible, but if someone is really focused on something and don't care about anything else (as is seen with Ganon), they will most likely attempt to achieve their goals by any means necessery. To often do humans look at the goal and simply forget about what they need to do to attain that goal. Ganon is a perfect example of this and seems to be a collection of a what exactly is wrong with our society today.

Thats what evil is, a quest for more power. More specifically, more power then everyone else. That is why Ganon chose the Triforce of Power in the first place.

im not reading another long post :P i'll just say he's right cuz he always is :lol:

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But link has enough courage and..........forget it! I'm not even gonna respond to gary! I'm scared (NO WONDER HE'S OFFICER!)
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But link has enough courage and..........forget it! I'm not even gonna respond to gary! I'm scared (NO WONDER HE'S OFFICER!)imnotwhite

he's gonna be like the best officer we got :P there's no messin with Gary (except when he disses the PSP :lol: )

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#46 imnotwhite
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[QUOTE="imnotwhite"]But link has enough courage and..........forget it! I'm not even gonna respond to gary! I'm scared (NO WONDER HE'S OFFICER!)OhhSnap50893

he's gonna be like the best officer we got :P there's no messin with Gary (except when he disses the PSP :lol: )

I mean i love zelda more than him but talk about something from sony? WELL GET READY FOR A LONG ASS LECTURE!
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#47 Calpalg
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[QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]

[QUOTE="imnotwhite"]But link has enough courage and..........forget it! I'm not even gonna respond to gary! I'm scared (NO WONDER HE'S OFFICER!)imnotwhite

he's gonna be like the best officer we got :P there's no messin with Gary (except when he disses the PSP :lol: )

I mean i love zelda more than him but talk about something from sony? WELL GET READY FOR A LONG ASS LECTURE!

:lol:

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#48 OhhSnap50893
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[QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]

[QUOTE="imnotwhite"]But link has enough courage and..........forget it! I'm not even gonna respond to gary! I'm scared (NO WONDER HE'S OFFICER!)imnotwhite

he's gonna be like the best officer we got :P there's no messin with Gary (except when he disses the PSP :lol: )

I mean i love zelda more than him but talk about something from sony? WELL GET READY FOR A LONG ASS LECTURE!

another PSP hater? :P

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I'm sure most of you know already but Wind Waker follows Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask (not just game wize, but story wize) where the Link in WW is SUPPOSED to be the decendant of the Hero of Time, but throughout the game he is told more than once that he is not the Hero of Time but a different hero altogether. And also the real Hyrule is frozen in time due to the Master sword. Can you think of a better way to stop the "villain of time" from using his power to manipulate time? Maybe with Gannon and Link fighting against Hyrule, the King (of red lions) was getting desperate so he froze time and managed to get rid of Link. Or maybe Link never left Termania, like you said. But where did Termania go? well Gannon is said to return through another relm. Termania was a "counter" world, or alternate dimension. Maybe Link let Gannon into Termania unwillingly through the use of the Fierce Diety mask for evil purposes.

The Mask was so evil that it opened up a rift to let Gannon out and in to Termania. However without the master sword, Link still couldn't beat him. He might have a fierce and Godly mask, but don't underestimate Gannondorf's power either; he has part of the Triforce with him. So the "hero of Time" died in Termania instead of Hyrule. That would explain why the "hero of Time" wouldn't have any decendants.

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#50 Gary_Jinfield
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Hmm... It would be difficult to say who was stronger, although I don't think Fierce Deity Link would lose to Ganon unless Ganon had the whole Triforce (which we know he does before Alttp). Even then, Fierce Deity Link would still prove to be quite a match. The ease at which Majora's Mask can be defeated is quite stunning really when wearing the mask. Even more astounding is that was the first time Link was using the power of the mask. It would only be natural for Link to become even stronger once he begins to master the powers. Its based quite a bit on perception but, judging from the average difficulty when Link fights Ganon in Oot and when Fierce Deity Link battles Majora's Mask in MM plus assuming Link would get stronger after spending more time with the mask, then Fierce Deity Link may be more likely to win in a battle with Ganon even without the Master Sword. Now if Ganon had the entire Triforce, the battle may be swung in his favor.

The thing about Fierce Deity Link is that he simply dominates in MM. There has never been anything quite like him in the Zelda series. Even his blade is shaped in an infinity symbol as if to give a testament to his power. Of course, it would be the greatest form of irony if Ganon would be able to defeat Fierce Deity Link even though Ganon was the weaker, for not only did the same thing happen to Link and himself long ago in Oot except the roles were reversed, but it would serve as Ganon's only true victory so far depicted within the games against a Link who was least likely to lose.