Best Tanks of World War Two

I watched a program on the Discovery channel other day about tanks...according to this program, the T-34 was the best tank in WWII until Germany produced the King Tiger to counter it. The T-34 was fast, the design of it helped make it so and the armor was thick. The Sherman wasn't armored very well, but the Americans were able to mass produce them making it so that they could vastly outnumber any tanks the Germans put out...Wren28

I watched a program on the Discovery channel other day about tanks...according to this program, the T-34 was the best tank in WWII until Germany produced the King Tiger to counter it. The T-34 was fast, the design of it helped make it so and the armor was thick. The Sherman wasn't armored very well, but the Americans were able to mass produce them making it so that they could vastly outnumber any tanks the Germans put out...Wren28

yep I saw that program too, it was list top 10 tanks and Sherman was #10  when T-34 was #1

Here comes the age old battle of best WWII Tank. And the T-34 wins. While the M4 Sherman Firefly was a good tank it was produced in small numbers and spread thinly(One for every platoon I believe). Only the British ever used this tank. The T-34 is the best tank of WWII for many reasons. It featured sloped armor which was brand new at the time, wide tracks which navigated snow and mud easier and faster than German tanks that would bog down, a 76.2mm gun which at the time of Operation Barbarossa could penetrate any German tank with ease. It was powered by a 12-cylinder diesel model V-2 500 hp engine(water cooled) that was less likely to catch fire when hit(unlike gasoline powered engines) and had a larger operation range. This engine also gave it a faster top speed 32MPH vs 25MPH than its German counterparts.  The simple fact that it's superior welded construction made it an even match. WWIIWarrior

THANK YOU MAN  you said all what I was to saying before:D

alright, lets listen to someone who actually had grandparents fight in a T-34.

First off, my grandfather was a mobile infantry sergent and his unit had T-34 tanks as their means of travel.  From what he tells me the tank was good against the regular German tanks, but when their unit faced Tigers, well it was a run and hide kinda of battle.  The armour on a T-34 was weak against the 88mm that the later Tigers had, but its own gun  could send the Germans running.  According to him it was a good support tank, but the Russians had another tank, that even made Hitler think twice before attacking them head on.

1. It was the Joseph Stalin.
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3. It was as powerfull as the Tiger and packed a hell of a punch.  The germans would run just at the sight of this thing.

Maybe in the beggining of the war, the T-34 was a new and revolutionary tank, but it had many flaws.  One was the poor quality armour.  it was an interesting way to slope the armour, but it failed most of the time because the steele was very brittle.  As the end of the war T-34, now that was a tank, but still the IS - 2 packed more of what the Russians wanted. FIREPOWER AND MORE FIREPOWER!!:twisted:

[QUOTE="Iffy350"] The T-34 might have been a good tank during the war but it is inferior to tanks built during the first years after the war! The sherman had crappy armor but it was the best 'allied' tank; notice the '' around allied! I think its the best 'allied' tank, I didn't say it was the best tank in the war. Morons infer that sort of think and are quick to splurt out a return post with out getting their facts straight. Think before you post then you can make the internet a better place for everyone. I know high school freshmen who jump at opportunities like that and see it as some sort of victory or something stupid like that.
Iffy350

An you stole everything from the Germans as well, so don't point any fingers.  Wait, Jet technology, the Americans got it after they promissed to let some very high ranking Nazi's to run to Argentina.  Von Braun, the father of modern US rocketry was Hitler's best friend (my mother collegue works with Von Broun's daughter and she showed me a picture of him and Hitler).  He help design the V2 and was working on some nasty toys for the German Army.

As for copying planes, the US started that trend.  First they took apart the Flying Wing and made it into the B2, then they took the me262 and made it into the the predesessor of the Sabre (forgot its tag number).  As for the sidewinder, that was again taken from the Germans.

So modern warfare has to thank Germany and only Germany.  Everything we have was coppied from them, so to speak truthfully, we are all bastards who stole from the poor Germans.  So get over it.  US did not create crap, they stole it as well.

Well have you heard of the saying that the Russians were planning to join WW2 even before Hitler's attack?

1. 1. In may 1941, Russia, Great Britain and US met in England to discuss what would Russia get if it joined the war. 
2. 2. How do you account for Russia to start up from scratch in Siberia when their war factories were destroyed?  Well, the was already hundreds of thousands of workers ther even before the war.  Germany's fate was sealed before June 22, 1941.
3. 3.  The Russian main battle tank of early stages of WW2 was a tank that could not moneuvre in the great Russian plains.  It was designed to breach the border and attack germany on the Autoban and the well developed highway system of Europe.
4. 4. The Russian airforce had sooooo many planes that each pilot had a choice of upto 9 fighters to fly.
5. 5. Germany had 20+ Armies going against Russia's 160+.  Can you explain the logic behind this move?
6. 6. Plan M, Russia's Top Secret Invasion of Germany.  set to go in affect on July 9, 1941
7. 7. The Russians had a long range high altitude strategic bomber wing (based around Moscow) that bombed Berlin on June 23, 1941.  If Russia wanted to win the war then and there, they had the capabilities to decimate the German war effort with ease.
8. 8. German reports of finding hundreds munition dumps 30 miles from the border.

So you see, if Stalin was ready for war, all he needed was an excuse.  Yes, his military strength was quickly damaged, but those were soon replaced with the fighting men from Siberia.  Do remeber that on Dec 17, 1941 the battle of Moscow was won by the arrival of Siberian troops.  Where do you think the came from?  These young lads were from the strategic reserves that would be used to stop a german breakthrough to the Caucuass Mountains.

The T-34 might have been a good tank during the war but it is inferior to tanks built during the first years after the war! The sherman had crappy armor but it was the best 'allied' tank; notice the '' around allied! I think its the best 'allied' tank, I didn't say it was the best tank in the war. Morons infer that sort of think and are quick to splurt out a return post with out getting their facts straight. Think before you post then you can make the internet a better place for everyone. I know high school freshmen who jump at opportunities like that and see it as some sort of victory or something stupid like that.
Iffy350

Umm when they say Allies that means every one that joined together to fight Nazi Germany. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II

Damn, that sucks. Most of the military armor and planes used by the polish after World War II were Russian. Thats where lots of T-34's ended up. I know this because i've seen pictures of Polish Mig 21's and T-34's. Im not sure but I think the polish forces still use russian weapon technologys. The polish tanks in 1939 wern't very good from my recollection. They had a one man tank called a tankette which was pretty weak. I think they had one version with a machine gun and another with an antitank rifle. They also had an APC with windows which didn't provide much protection for the troops. I think it was the C7P

Tankette

C7P



Contrary to popular belief; 1939 the german army still used traditional calvery and had horse drawn artillary. They still used horses even though they heavily published their mech inf. and tank forces.

Iffy350

Yes we used Russian technology after the war but why is that? Maybe because the W. Allies gave us and other Baltic countries away at Yalta? While the TKS Tankette was a rather weak tank it did excel in it's role, reconnaissance. It was designed to fight other tanks just give some forward observer protection. The C7P was not an APC as portrayed in FH but a artillery tractor. Our 7TP tank which was our MBT at the time of the September campaign was superior to any German light tank and slightly inferior to the Panzer III.

Russia didn't pay for the fighters and bombers we gave them to keep them in the war. So as far as im concerned they stole those. Their was a documentary film on the Military Channel about how the Russians stole the B-29 design before world war two was over, even before we copied greman jet technology. A crippled american B-29 had just finished bombing japan when it made its way to a russian airbase and landed. They turned the crew over to the USA but made copies of the B-29 before they returned it to the US. FYI, how long do you think Russia would have lasted against the germans if we didn't sign a treaty to give Russia american made planes(Ex. P-40, P-39, P-47, P-51, B-24, B-25, A-20, B-17G.) Most of the russian air force planes were out of date and they needed all the help they could get to keep the German Luftwaffe of the backs of their troops. They needed to devote resources to their prized T-34/85's and could not continue to keep up the air support at the rate at which their air force was being pummled. When Germany invaded Russia; most of the Russian Air Force and Army was on the other side of the contenent prepaired for an attack made by japanese and a possible invasion of the Russian mainland. Hitlers betrayel came as a suprise. Most of their tanks had to be shipped via train all the way across the country before they could engage German forces. The great thing Russia did when germany attacked was put their frontline factorys on trains and move them out of range of the German Luftwaffe. This gave them an advantage. New German tanks had to be shipped straight from Germany which took lots of time. During the first month of the German offensive against the Russians most of the Russian Air Force on the eastern side of the country was wiped out in a suprise air attack on Russian airbases.
Iffy350

Even if we didn't give the Russians airplanes with the Lend Lease act they would still have won. The precious T-34/85 didn't come out till 1944. By then Germanys fate was sealed so don't even mention that tank. Japan had already fought with the USSR and got there asses whipped. Clearly you don't know about this so read up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khalkin_Gol

For Russia not paying for the bombers and fighters. Why should they? They won that war not us.