Best Hell in a Cell match?

You know, you could have a better topic title.

Anyways, I havent seen all of them, but I like Lesnar vs Taker cause I like super bloody matches, and it was bloody terrific.:P

Mankind VS Undertakre was my favorite.

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You know, you could have a better topic title.

Anyways, I havent seen all of them, but I like Lesnar vs Taker cause I like super bloody matches, and it was bloody terrific.:P

Chicago_Nut

yea, i liked the end where brock reversed the tombstone to the F-5

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You know, you could have a better topic title.

Anyways, I havent seen all of them, but I like Lesnar vs Taker cause I like super bloody matches, and it was bloody terrific.:P

theoryc2

yea, i liked the end where brock reversed the tombstone to the F-5

The best one was the first one between Shawn Michaels and Undertaker. I have missed out on a few HIAC matches which were:

• The Armageddon HIAC in 2000
• Triple H vs. Chris Jericho at Judgment Day
• Triple H vs. Kevin Nash at Bad Blood
• And I think there was a short HIAC match that took place on RAW is WAR when Mankind and Kane took on Undertaker and Stone Cold Steve Austin!

My Top 3 (in order):

1.Mankind vs. Undertaker at KOTR '98

2.Triple H vs. Batista at Vengeance '05

3.Cactus Jack vs. Triple H at No Way Out '00 (close third)

JML has the best two listed. The original one with Taker and Michaels was great because it was new, fresh and very violent and believable. The six pack challenge was great because it was one of the last times that that much talent was in the ring at the same time.

Taker vs. Mankind is way overated, I was there, it was cool, but very, very boring. I mean most of the match was checking on Foley, two big bumps, and Foley comming back.

However the worst Hell In A Cell is a toss up between Taker and Bossman and Snow and Bossman.

JML has the best two listed. The original one with Taker and Michaels was great because it was new, fresh and very violent and believable. The six pack challenge was great because it was one of the last times that that much talent was in the ring at the same time.

Taker vs. Mankind is way overated, I was there, it was cool, but very, very boring. I mean most of the match was checking on Foley, two big bumps, and Foley comming back.

However the worst Hell In A Cell is a toss up between Taker and Bossman and Snow and Bossman.

LOEAnubis

Taker vs. Mankind is way overated, I was there, it was cool, but very, very boring. I mean most of the match was checking on Foley, two big bumps, and Foley comming back.

However the worst Hell In A Cell is a toss up between Taker and Bossman and Snow and Bossman.

LOEAnubis

However, on that token, I really like the Cactus Jack vs Triple H HIAC from No Way Out 2000.

And there are literally no words to describe just how bad Taker-Bossman and Snow-Bossman were. Taker-Bossman almost managed to single-handidly ruin Wrestlemania XV.

I could understand why people would feel like Mankind vs. Undertaker is overrated and I think it is some what, but I disagree that the match is competely overrated. Sure....there were not a lot of moves in the match and yeah....there a were a couple of pauses in their that brought the quality of the match down a little bit.....hints why I said it was bit underrated.

However, what made the match great was not only the 2 falls in the match, but also the guts, will and heart of Mic Foley and the pure emontion in the match.

Firstly, you have understand something about those 2 falls.....the thing that made them amazing was 1) Most of us had never seen anything like that before and that something people love to see is something that is new/different and 2) It was amazing to see Foley continue the match after those 2 falls, especially considering it appeared as the match was over.

Also, what made the match great was Foley's guts, will and heart. This was one of those matches were people felt a bond with Foley, as they were with him when had those 2 falls, as he came back from the strecher and landed on those tacs....it was very emontional match and emontion is the very thing that can make average match into classic match.

Now....if you did not feel emontional connection with Foley and/or you where looking for more of a pure wrestling match....than I could completely understand where people would think the match is overrated.

However, IMHO...the match rightfuly deservers the credit is has gotten, even if the match is bit overrated.

And yeah....that Undertaker vs. Bossman WrestleMania 15 Cell match was lame and IMHO....was one small step away from being on the same level of horribleness that the Undertaker vs. Giant Gonzales WrestleMania 9 match was and still is at. Sorry, but it is really hard top that pile of smellness that Undertaker vs. Giant Gonazles created at WrestleMania 9, but sadly enough......I have seen matches that rival the Taker vs. Gonazles match (aka crap-fest) from WM 9. :(

I could understand why people would feel like Mankind vs. Undertaker is overrated and I think it is some what, but I disagree that the match is competely overrated. Sure....there were not a lot of moves in the match and yeah....there a were a couple of pauses in their that brought the quality of the match down a little bit.....hints why I said it was bit underrated.

However, what made the match great was not only the 2 falls in the match, but also the guts, will and heart of Mic Foley and the pure emontion in the match.

Firstly, you have understand something about those 2 falls.....the thing that made them amazing was 1) Most of us had never seen anything like that before and that something people love to see is something that is new/different and 2) It was amazing to see Foley continue the match after those 2 falls, especially considering it appeared as the match was over.

Also, what made the match great was Foley's guts, will and heart. This was one of those matches were people felt a bond with Foley, as they were with him when had those 2 falls, as he came back from the strecher and landed on those tacs....it was very emontional match and emontion is the very thing that can make average match into classic match.

Now....if you did not feel emontional connection with Foley and/or you where looking for more of a pure wrestling match....than I could completely understand where people would think the match is overrated.

However, IMHO...the match rightfuly deservers the credit is has gotten, even if the match is bit overrated.

And yeah....that Undertaker vs. Bossman WrestleMania 15 Cell match was lame and IMHO....was one small step away from being on the same level of horribleness that the Undertaker vs. Giant Gonzales WrestleMania 9 match was and still is at. Sorry, but it is really hard top that pile of smellness that Undertaker vs. Giant Gonazles created at WrestleMania 9, but sadly enough......I have seen matches that rival the Taker vs. Gonazles match (aka crap-fest) from WM 9. :(

Link256

The actual match time of it is slightly over three minutes. The entire match was two major bumps and a ton of fluff. You also talk of giving a lot of credit to Foleys heart and guts, well that's misplaced. You should give it to the script writers and the concussion. The match isn't that good. Even live it wasn't good. I don't see how you could call it emotional because it wasn't. Emotional is the Hart vs. Michaels Iron Man match, where you could feel that each man didn't want to give an inch or lose even a single fall. Emotional is the Chris Benoit rise to the championship in 2004. This wasn't anything like that, this was two big bumps and a bunch of fluff.

The credit it has gotten is mostly because of the two great bumps. And if that's what you are looking for then fantastic, you aren't looking for wrestling, and sorry for being a downer but huge bumps like that have almost killed wrestling as it's now wanted / expected / and to some part needed to sell a storyline. A big bump should be an end all be all to a match or a feud, not a mid point. Foley coming back from the two bumps hurt the wrestling buisness more then it helped it.

The actual match time of it is slightly over three minutes. The entire match was two major bumps and a ton of fluff. You also talk of giving a lot of credit to Foleys heart and guts, well that's misplaced. You should give it to the script writers and the concussion. The match isn't that good. Even live it wasn't good. I don't see how you could call it emotional because it wasn't. Emotional is the Hart vs. Michaels Iron Man match, where you could feel that each man didn't want to give an inch or lose even a single fall. Emotional is the Chris Benoit rise to the championship in 2004. This wasn't anything like that, this was two big bumps and a bunch of fluff.

The credit it has gotten is mostly because of the two great bumps. And if that's what you are looking for then fantastic, you aren't looking for wrestling, and sorry for being a downer but huge bumps like that have almost killed wrestling as it's now wanted / expected / and to some part needed to sell a storyline. A big bump should be an end all be all to a match or a feud, not a mid point. Foley coming back from the two bumps hurt the wrestling buisness more then it helped it.

LOEAnubis

Hey, I love pure wrestling too. I simply thought this match was unique and different was nice break from a typical wrestling match. IMHO, wrestling matches does not always have to pure wrestling to be great and IMHO....that match was emontionaly. Hey...if you want say it was only the scipt and not Foley's heart....you could say the same thing for Hitman vs. HBK at WM12 or Benoit victory at WM 20, because those were both going from the script as well. IMHO, Foley still had the guts, will and heart in that match, reggardless of it being scipted.

Listen, I am not trying to take away from thoes emontional matches, because I agree wtih you when you said they were. I am simply trying to say 1) something from the script can be emontional as well and 2) you can still have will, guts and heart, reggardless of it being scipted, as in the same fansion all of those men did.

Anyways, I doubt we are going to agree...so I will say my favorite saying: to each his or her own.

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The actual match time of it is slightly over three minutes. The entire match was two major bumps and a ton of fluff. You also talk of giving a lot of credit to Foleys heart and guts, well that's misplaced. You should give it to the script writers and the concussion. The match isn't that good. Even live it wasn't good. I don't see how you could call it emotional because it wasn't. Emotional is the Hart vs. Michaels Iron Man match, where you could feel that each man didn't want to give an inch or lose even a single fall. Emotional is the Chris Benoit rise to the championship in 2004. This wasn't anything like that, this was two big bumps and a bunch of fluff.

The credit it has gotten is mostly because of the two great bumps. And if that's what you are looking for then fantastic, you aren't looking for wrestling, and sorry for being a downer but huge bumps like that have almost killed wrestling as it's now wanted / expected / and to some part needed to sell a storyline. A big bump should be an end all be all to a match or a feud, not a mid point. Foley coming back from the two bumps hurt the wrestling buisness more then it helped it.

Link256

Hey, I love pure wrestling too. I simply thought this match was unique and different was nice break from a typical wrestling match. IMHO, wrestling matches does not always have to pure wrestling to be great and IMHO....that match was emontionaly. Hey...if you want say it was only the scipt and not Foley's heart....you could say the same thing for Hitman vs. HBK at WM12 or Benoit victory at WM 20, because those were both going from the script as well. IMHO, Foley still had the guts, will and heart in that match, reggardless of it being scipted.

Listen, I am not trying to take away from thoes emontional matches, because I agree wtih you when you said they were. I am simply trying to say 1) something from the script can be emontional as well and 2) you can still have will, guts and heart, reggardless of it being scipted, as in the same fansion all of those men did.

Anyways, I doubt we are going to agree...so I will say my favorite saying: to each his or her own.

It was different because it wasn't so much of a match as it was two spots. I mean seriously, other than those spots what do people remember? And I never said that only pure wrestling matches are great, this just isn't a great match in my eyes.

I understand that everything is scripted, and I'm not saying that scripted stuff can't be emotional, but it's the portrayal of emotion that pulls you away, the "suspension of disbelief" as it's called. It's a lost art nowadays for the most part. The match wasn't emotional for me, or for anyone else in the live audience. Good matches make you feel whatever the wrestlers are trying to get across. That's why I used the Iron Man match and the triple threat as examples. I could feel that, eventhough I knew it was all scripted and could call spots, it felt like Michaels was fighting for everything he ever wanted, that Hart was fighting to retain something that he treasured, that's why that finish cheapened the match in ways. The same thing with Benoit, you could feel that he wanted to win no matter what. That's not what it felt like with Foley. It didn't have a feeling, it just dragged on for me and most of the people I was there with. What emotion did you feel from it? If you say his determination, well I don't see it. He came back to get beaten down some more. If anything it's not knowing when your arse has been kicked enough to know when to stay down, a bit different from determination no?

And I'll end on this, you still say heart and guts and all. Have you ever read "Have a Nice Day" ? If not read it, and read the chapter about the match. It wasn't heart and guts, it was a mixture of his concussion (as he had no clue what was going on and didn't remember the match) and Funk telling him his next spots. It was him doing what he had set out to do before the match even started.

I think mankind vs. taker was overated too because as soon as the match started Mankind got throne of the cell and then got carried away on a stretcher for like 3 hours and then got choke slamed threw the top of the cell and then they were checking on him again and then taker started beating up the people who were checking on him and then one of the reffs shoes came of and J.R.was screaming "OH MY GOD HE LOST HIS SHOES THIS IS HANESS! wich was annoying but funny then the rest was o.k.but whene mankind got choke slamed on the tacks it was pretty cool.-RKO

I dont think so , i think it showed one mans true love for the industry

[QUOTE="-RKO"]I think mankind vs. taker was overated too because as soon as the match started Mankind got throne of the cell and then got carried away on a stretcher for like 3 hours and then got choke slamed threw the top of the cell and then they were checking on him again and then taker started beating up the people who were checking on him and then one of the reffs shoes came of and J.R.was screaming "OH MY GOD HE LOST HIS SHOES THIS IS HANESS! wich was annoying but funny then the rest was o.k.but whene mankind got choke slamed on the tacks it was pretty cool.The_Last_Ride

I dont think so , i think it showed one mans true love for the industry

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[QUOTE="-RKO"]I think mankind vs. taker was overated too because as soon as the match started Mankind got throne of the cell and then got carried away on a stretcher for like 3 hours and then got choke slamed threw the top of the cell and then they were checking on him again and then taker started beating up the people who were checking on him and then one of the reffs shoes came of and J.R.was screaming "OH MY GOD HE LOST HIS SHOES THIS IS HANESS! wich was annoying but funny then the rest was o.k.but whene mankind got choke slamed on the tacks it was pretty cool.The_Dude14

I dont think so , i think it showed one mans true love for the industry

lol:lol: , that was funny dude:P

all hell in a cell matches are equally lame. sorry, but that's my opinion. the only one i think really shines is the first one with hbk cuz yeah...it was the first. and shawn can sell like no other. the mankind/taker one is ok, i think it really showed that mankind was hardcore...but the rest of the match was dumb. undertaker dominated and it was boring.