The Official Vengeance Discussion Thread! (SPOILERS - RESULTS ADDED)

WWE really seems to be goin all out to try and 1up One Night Stand, as they seem to be throwing all of their tried and true gimmicks out for this one. Hell in a Cell = Check, Double Main Event = Check, Wedding Angle = Check, 5* Mania Rematch = Check, Making sure that Triple H has some involvement in everything deemed important by him = Check. Plus, it looks like they'll add Hassan-Benjamin to the mix, and those two really seem to be improving. This is shaping up to be the best single brand PPV since the beginning of the single brand formula.

Regardless, I hope One Night Stand at least doubles the Vengeance buy rate.

Well, since I've come up with the 1-up ONS at all costs theory, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the inevitable Hassan/Benjamin title match be made a Ladder Match. It works for the storyline of Hassan getting screwed out of the title and wanting a fair shot, plus he can lose and remain unpinned, if they want to keep the Title on Benjamin.The_Dude14

Well, it looks like the Vengeance Card is relatively set, so might as well make my predictions.

1. Victoria vs Christy: Christy. Considering WWE is going with Version 2 of Diva Search, I expect Christy to get pushed even harder than before (Damn you sexual innuendo) and go over another actual Women's wrestler. The fun thing is that Victoria will probably have the crowd behind her,
2. Kane vs Edge (w Lita). Edge. WWE may want to keep Mr. Money in the Bank relavent to the title hunt. Going on Kane's history, Lita will probably take a Tombstone or a Choke Slam for a huge pop, but Edge'll the victory. A Matt Hardy Watch should be in effect as well, but probably to disappoint everyone... again.
3. Carlito Cool vs Shelton Benjamin for the IC Title: Carlito. I don't expect them to end his reign so soon. This will be Carlito's first real chance to shine on PPV, as there aren't many better opponents than Shelton, and prove me wrong about the doubts I have about his in-ring ability. I just hope Shelton comes out of the match in a position to keep his momentum. This really should have been Shelton vs Hassan.
4. Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels: Michaels. I fully expect Michaels to get his win back. Just like Mania, both guys are firmly established top tier guys, so it doesn't really matter who wins. Definate MOTN, but I don't think it'll be as good as Mania
5. John Cena vs Chris Jerichovs Christian for the WWE Title: Chris Jericho. Sadly, Christian has been lost in the shuffle, which is no surprise to me, as WWE seems to enjoy undercuting Captain Charisma. I expect that Jericho will pin Christian while Hassan interferes and keeps Cena busy. Jericho would then probably be drafted to Smackdown and reset the Title balance. Christian and Jericho should be able to hide Cena's weaknesses and it should be a good match, despite the fact Christian has been forgotten.
6. Batista vs Triple H in Hell in a Cell for the World Heavyweight Title: Batista. Maybe its blind hope, but I believe Batista will walk out of Vengeance with the Title. I continue to compare his title reign to Benoit's, as they still parallel. Last year's Vengeance, Benoit defeated Trips one-on-one, which was something he couldn't do. Similarly, this is the first time Big Dave's been in HIAC, while Trips is "undefeated" in HIAC. I continue to maintain that Trips won't beat Batista for the title, someone else will, and then get beaten by Hunter for #11. This match could be really good, or really bad, depending on Trips's performance as he will have to make Dave look good... again.

This Card has been pretty loaded, but I really don't care. After last week's Raw, I hope more than ever the Vengeance tanks in the buy rates and does a fraction of ECW One Night Stand, then maybe WWE will get a clue that they need to shapen up their product, if they get owned by a company thats been dead for 4 1/2 years.

It wud be cool if Matt Hardy interfered in the Kane vs. Edge matchnellyg619

It sucks that his music played but it was just a silly hoax which looked to me to get back at Hardy. :evil:

[QUOTE="nellyg619"]It wud be cool if Matt Hardy interfered in the Kane vs. Edge matchhbk91

It sucks that his music played but it was just a silly hoax which looked to me to get back at Hardy. :evil:

yeah i no that was wrong to do, they didnt need to do it either.

[QUOTE="hbk91"]

[QUOTE="nellyg619"]It wud be cool if Matt Hardy interfered in the Kane vs. Edge matchXtremeLegend2

It sucks that his music played but it was just a silly hoax which looked to me to get back at Hardy. :evil:

yeah i no that was wrong to do, they didnt need to do it either.

They are trying to make it out as a storyline but it is really stirring things up in real life.

[QUOTE="XtremeLegend2"][QUOTE="hbk91"]

[QUOTE="nellyg619"]It wud be cool if Matt Hardy interfered in the Kane vs. Edge matchhbk91

It sucks that his music played but it was just a silly hoax which looked to me to get back at Hardy. :evil:

yeah i no that was wrong to do, they didnt need to do it either.

They are trying to make it out as a storyline but it is really stirring things up in real life.

[QUOTE="hbk91"][QUOTE="XtremeLegend2"][QUOTE="hbk91"]

[QUOTE="nellyg619"]It wud be cool if Matt Hardy interfered in the Kane vs. Edge matchkeiblerfan69

It sucks that his music played but it was just a silly hoax which looked to me to get back at Hardy. :evil:

yeah i no that was wrong to do, they didnt need to do it either.

They are trying to make it out as a storyline but it is really stirring things up in real life.

Cud u tell me if he says anything?? Raw got my hopes up that Hardy was back

Matt Hardy got a MONSTEROUS POP at that wedding angle if anything it shows how popular he is and no matter where he goes WWE/TNA WWE put matt over if he isn't signed to a contract yet......... When has WWE ever done that for anyone else?

hell in the cell....... Batista should win as I think HHH might be smackdown bound lets face it they need somebody there...I don't want HHH to win there is a vicious circle here hhh looses hhh wins hhh looses hhh wins hhh looses hhh wins hhh looses PLEASE LETS NOT LET HIM WIN!

Cena vs Jericho vs Christian...... CHRISTIAN then possibly going smack down once again another gret fit for smackdown

Well, looks like its time to downgrade the Matt Hardy Watch at the PPV

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=11117&p=1

by Dave Scherer @ 10:56:00 AM on 6/22/2005

According to their website, Matt Hardy has a personal appearance scheduled for Highspots.com in Charlotte, NC from 5 to 9 p.m. on Sunday. That would make it impossible to be in Las Vegas for the Vengeance PPV. I still can't believe WWE booked the wedding angle the way they did if they aren't going to get a payoff off with Hardy out of it. Wow.

The Edge-Kane match just got a lot less interesting.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/vengeance/

The following are the matches for the upcoming RAW P.P.V., Vengeance, coming from Las Vegas, NV. on Sunday, June 26.....

Hell-in-a-Cell Match (World Heavyweight Championship)
Triple H vs. Batista

Triple Threat Match (WWE Championship)
Christian vs. Chris Jericho vs. John Cena

Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels

Kane vs. Edge (w/ Lita)

As for now, y'all can discuss whatever y'all want about this P.P.V..

Even though I hate to say it but I think HHH will win the hell in a cell match against Batista.

The triple threat match is a hard one to predict but I think John Cena will come out on top.

Kurt Angel against Shawn Michaels. Hmmmmm..... I wonder.

For some reason I think Kane may loose this one. BUT I may be wronge we'll just have to wait and see.

This post will be updated with new matches as they are announced/spoiled.Jackov

[QUOTE="Jackov"]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/vengeance/

The following are the matches for the upcoming RAW P.P.V., Vengeance, coming from Las Vegas, NV. on Sunday, June 26.....

Hell-in-a-Cell Match (World Heavyweight Championship)
Triple H vs. Batista

Triple Threat Match (WWE Championship)
Christian vs. Chris Jericho vs. John Cena

Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels

Kane vs. Edge (w/ Lita)

As for now, y'all can discuss whatever y'all want about this P.P.V..

Even though I hate to say it but I think HHH will win the hell in a cell match against Batista.

The triple threat match is a hard one to predict but I think John Cena will come out on top.

Kurt Angel against Shawn Michaels. Hmmmmm..... I wonder.

For some reason I think Kane may loose this one. BUT I may be wronge we'll just have to wait and see.

This is my quote made a mistake. :oops:

This post will be updated with new matches as they are announced/spoiled.wcfs25

Who is officialy getting Vengeance then?

UK'ers is it worth the £14.95?

I think so. We are getting 3 main events:

• Angle vs HBK
• Batista vs HHH - HIAC - World TItle
• Y2J vs Cena vs Christian - WWE Title

updated the card on the first post, plus, I'm now rehosting the images through one of my Photobucket albums.

Countdown: Less than 3 days left till the PPV.hbk91

[QUOTE="hbk91"]Countdown: Less than 3 days left till the PPV.superman2412

[QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="hbk91"]Countdown: Less than 3 days left till the PPV.hbk91

i agree

[QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="hbk91"]Countdown: Less than 3 days left till the PPV.hbk91

[QUOTE="hbk91"][QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="hbk91"]Countdown: Less than 3 days left till the PPV.superman2412

I do not know about best PPV of the year (could be though), but I think it will be one the best Pay-per-views of the year. I thought last years Vengeance PPV was one of the best pay-per-views of last year and with great looking matches such as HBK vs. Angle and the Hell in the Cell, I am sure this year's PPV will be great (I will be watching it this Sunday).

[QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="hbk91"][QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="hbk91"]Countdown: Less than 3 days left till the PPV.Link256

I do not know about best PPV of the year (could be though), but I think it will be one the best Pay-per-views of the year. I thought last years Vengeance PPV was one of the best pay-per-views of last year and with great looking matches such as HBK vs. Angle and the Hell in the Cell, I am sure this year's PPV will be great (I will be watching it this Sunday).

I think it has the potential to be the best Single-brand PPV, since they went to that formula. However, there is no way it will top Wrestlemania XXI, since 2 out of its 3 main events are Mania rematches, and the hype and emotional input aren't the same, and the undercard doesn't match up as well to Mania.

I also don't give this PPV a chance in hell of being as good as ECW One Night Stand.

I won't be watching for several reasons.

Almost 24hrs left till the PPV. :Dhbk91

Countdown: Under 6 hrs left till the PPV.

[QUOTE="hbk91"][QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="hbk91"]Countdown: Less than 3 days left till the PPV.superman2412

Yeh it's a shame I can't watch it

I hope John Cena atleast does better than he usually does. Poor shelton he won't win that title again

Matt Hardy is scaring me now

From now on, there's (only) gonna be LIVE coverage of the event. (Match-by-match coverage.)

Unfortunately, I'll only review Sunday Night Heat, 'cause afterwards I'll be goin' to my friend's house for some BBQ and PS2. :P So if anyone wants to post match-by-match results of the Vengeance PPV, please do so in an orderly fashion.

If you want to copy and paste the coverage, then you can find some article that's doing coverage nyah....

http://www.wrestlingdb.com/

Vengeance Sunday Night Heat result

World Tag Team Championship
The Heartthrobs vs. The Hurricane & Rosey (w/ Stacy Keibler)

WINNERS: The Hurricane & Rosey

results courtesy PWTorch.com and written by Wade Keller. http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_13731.shtml

Victoria should not have to cheat to win against Christy. She should kick her ass fast and painfullyKitanya

now im mad. i didnt think stacy would be on the card. so i didnt buy tickets. but if i did it would of been right next to the ramp and i would of took like a whole roll of pics of just stacy. dammit im mad at myself now.keiblerfan69

Wow you must like Stacey a lot!

[QUOTE="keiblerfan69"]now im mad. i didnt think stacy would be on the card. so i didnt buy tickets. but if i did it would of been right next to the ramp and i would of took like a whole roll of pics of just stacy. dammit im mad at myself now.mja2k3

Wow you must like Stacey a lot!

Todd Grisham interviewed John Cena backstage. When asked about the last PPV where Cena beat JBL, Cena interrupted and said that's the past. "It don't matter where you're from, it's where you're at," Cena said. He said he feels like the new kid on the block. He asked Grisham if he was never a new kid in school. Grisham said he was the most popular kid in his class. Then he conceded he played tennis and soccer, but wasn't that athletic. He admitted he peed his pants in biology class in tenth grade and from then on he was nick-named Todd Piss-am. Cena said there was nothing wrong with that, but then made an "oh my god" look at the camera. Cena said in school he was the kid voted most likely to kick someone's ass. He showed good intensity and built to the crescendo well.

-They showed scenes of Las Vegas between matches including the Luxor and Bellagio.

-A video recap aired on the Kane-Edge-Lita storyline.

3 -- KANE vs. EDGE (w/Lita)

Kane went after Edge, chasing him around the ring to jump-start the match. At 1:30 a loud "We Want Matt" chant began. Kane clotheslined Edge over the top rope to the floor. When Kane stalked Lita at ringside, Edge tried to attack him from behind, but Edge knocked Edge down instead. Back in the ring, Kane stomped away at Edge's head. The crowd chanted "She's a crack whore" at Lita. Another "We Want Matt" chant rang out, as did a "You screwed Matt" chant. Edge dominated for a few minutes. Kane made a comeback including the sit-up no-sell at 7:15. Edge caught a charging Edge with an elbow. Kane, though, fired back by punching Edge as he leaped off the second rope toward him. A clothesline led to a two count by Kane. Coach asked if it was enough for Kane to win the match. Ross said he didn't think it was about winning or losing. Kane climbed to the top rope and dove at Edge. Edge caught Kane in mid-air with a dropkick. When Kane came back again, Gene Snitsky ran to the ring. Edge knocked him down. Then Lita entered the ring and began rubbing Kane's chest. Kane grabbed her by the hair and choked her to the mat. The crowd booed when he didn't actual chokeslam her. Kane then picked up a chair and put her head in it. Snitsky then gave Kane a big boot. Edge re-entered the ring and scored a two count at 10:30. Lita bailed out to ringside. Snitsky climbed to the top rope. Kane caught him by the throat. Edge swung at Kane with his briefcase, but Kane moved and Edge KO'd Snitsky. Kane then gave Edge a chokeslam for the win. Lita ran to the back as Kane laughed inside the ring with both Edge and Snitsky lying still by his feet.

WINNER: Kane at 11:19.

STAR RATING: ** -- Okay match.

-Grisham interviewed Shawn Michaels backstage who promised vengeance would be his. He bragged about being able to top his performance at WM21

Todd Grisham interviewed John Cena backstage. When asked about the last PPV where Cena beat JBL, Cena interrupted and said that's the past. "It don't matter where you're from, it's where you're at," Cena said. He said he feels like the new kid on the block. He asked Grisham if he was never a new kid in school. Grisham said he was the most popular kid in his class. Then he conceded he played tennis and soccer, but wasn't that athletic. He admitted he peed his pants in biology class in tenth grade and from then on he was nick-named Todd Piss-am. Cena said there was nothing wrong with that, but then made an "oh my god" look at the camera. Cena said in school he was the kid voted most likely to kick someone's ass. He showed good intensity and built to the crescendo well.

-They showed scenes of Las Vegas between matches including the Luxor and Bellagio.

-A video recap aired on the Kane-Edge-Lita storyline.

3 -- KANE vs. EDGE (w/Lita)

Kane went after Edge, chasing him around the ring to jump-start the match. At 1:30 a loud "We Want Matt" chant began. Kane clotheslined Edge over the top rope to the floor. When Kane stalked Lita at ringside, Edge tried to attack him from behind, but Edge knocked Edge down instead. Back in the ring, Kane stomped away at Edge's head. The crowd chanted "She's a crack whore" at Lita. Another "We Want Matt" chant rang out, as did a "You screwed Matt" chant. Edge dominated for a few minutes. Kane made a comeback including the sit-up no-sell at 7:15. Edge caught a charging Edge with an elbow. Kane, though, fired back by punching Edge as he leaped off the second rope toward him. A clothesline led to a two count by Kane. Coach asked if it was enough for Kane to win the match. Ross said he didn't think it was about winning or losing. Kane climbed to the top rope and dove at Edge. Edge caught Kane in mid-air with a dropkick. When Kane came back again, Gene Snitsky ran to the ring. Edge knocked him down. Then Lita entered the ring and began rubbing Kane's chest. Kane grabbed her by the hair and choked her to the mat. The crowd booed when he didn't actual chokeslam her. Kane then picked up a chair and put her head in it. Snitsky then gave Kane a big boot. Edge re-entered the ring and scored a two count at 10:30. Lita bailed out to ringside. Snitsky climbed to the top rope. Kane caught him by the throat. Edge swung at Kane with his briefcase, but Kane moved and Edge KO'd Snitsky. Kane then gave Edge a chokeslam for the win. Lita ran to the back as Kane laughed inside the ring with both Edge and Snitsky lying still by his feet.

WINNER: Kane at 11:19.

STAR RATING: ** -- Okay match.

-Grisham interviewed Shawn Michaels backstage who promised vengeance would be his. He bragged about being able to top his performance at WM21

The_Dude14

so far i'm right on all 3.SwimPUNK

[QUOTE="SwimPUNK"]so far i'm right on all 3.keiblerfan69