WWEv Weekly 2008 - RAW, ECW, iMPACT!, SmackDown: WEEK 6

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[QUOTE="Chicago_Nut"][QUOTE="trick_man01"][QUOTE="SeriousThreat"]What... the... F? A "gulf of mexico" match? Worse than TNA.Sports-Fan

Not all problems, but in all honesty, and not blind hate... he is arguably Raws biggest problem. Hes just as, if not staler then when he left.

He;s still booed a lot, and last weeks show was the only one that went up, and that was by .3. This week it kept at athe average .(3.5-3.6) Cena isn't really rasing the ratings much, although I'm not buying the Cena is RAWs biggest problem thing.

the ratings boost is probably just cause of the rumble like it usually is at least i think it usually gets a ratings boost then

cena is raw's biggest problem

1. cena should still be on recovery
2. he nullified the whole point of the rumble and his comeback raw was a awful show especially sicne raw has had some decent quality since he left
3. oddly enough cenas second raw vince had the famouse show himself butt naked to world scene? coincidence or just a sign of vince showing his love for cena and giving him a peep showing before the private audition
4.hardy now has to be bumped down when he could of mainevented wrestlemania in a good orton hardy feud.
5.orton now must step down to the cena HHH train
6.and on and odd note cenas comeback raw had 2 womens matches they were good matches but it was rather odd and considering the womens division is treated like crap and they were the highlight matches it is never a good sign when the womens division is what im lookiung to for the actual wrestling of the show. but hey at least they have been fairly solid matches for the most part for a good while now.
7.why is cena's spinner belt now the official WWE title? i mean honestly its laughable more laughable than that white womens title belt on TNA That i just saw for the first time today.

all of this caused by what you ask? cena returning.

and on another note why was the last 45 minutes of TNA a mimmick of old school WWE?

the ratings boost is probably just cause of the rumble like it usually is at least i think it usually gets a ratings boost then

cena is raw's biggest problem

1. cena should still be on recovery
2. he nullified the whole point of the rumble and his comeback raw was a awful show especially sicne raw has had some decent quality since he left
3. oddly enough cenas second raw vince had the famouse show himself butt naked to world scene? coincidence or just a sign of vince showing his love for cena and giving him a peep showing before the private audition
4.hardy now has to be bumped down when he could of mainevented wrestlemania in a good orton hardy feud.
5.orton now must step down to the cena HHH train
6.and on and odd note cenas comeback raw had 2 womens matches they were good matches but it was rather odd and considering the womens division is treated like crap and they were the highlight matches it is never a good sign when the womens division is what im lookiung to for the actual wrestling of the show. but hey at least they have been fairly solid matches for the most part for a good while now.
7.why is cena's spinner belt now the official WWE title? i mean honestly its laughable more laughable than that white womens title belt on TNA That i just saw for the first time today.

all of this caused by what you ask? cena returning.

and on another note why was the last 45 minutes of TNA a mimmick of old school WWE?

kayne2000

Sure, somepeople don't like either as wrestlers, but many many do.

Cena v. HHH will sell more WM's then Cena v. Orton, or HHH v. Orton. And probably Hardy v. Orton, even though Hardy is more a fan favorite.

Basicly your points of why Cena is raws biggest problem, are all opinion, that you try to make sound like fact.

The fact is, Cena isn't a problem to Raw at all, the vast majority of fans are actually going to be excited for Cena v. HHH at WM, even though on this fourm you wouldn't find a soul that would agree with me. (Infact, im not looking forward to it at all, but I admit this is the best business move WWE could do for the main event, and will probably sell more PPVs.)

Cena is an asset to Raw, you could argue, but you can't make a valid argument on how Cena is Raws biggest problem...

the ratings boost is probably just cause of the rumble like it usually is at least i think it usually gets a ratings boost then

cena is raw's biggest problem

1. cena should still be on recovery
2. he nullified the whole point of the rumble and his comeback raw was a awful show especially sicne raw has had some decent quality since he left
3. oddly enough cenas second raw vince had the famouse show himself butt naked to world scene? coincidence or just a sign of vince showing his love for cena and giving him a peep showing before the private audition
4.hardy now has to be bumped down when he could of mainevented wrestlemania in a good orton hardy feud.
5.orton now must step down to the cena HHH train
6.and on and odd note cenas comeback raw had 2 womens matches they were good matches but it was rather odd and considering the womens division is treated like crap and they were the highlight matches it is never a good sign when the womens division is what im lookiung to for the actual wrestling of the show. but hey at least they have been fairly solid matches for the most part for a good while now.
7.why is cena's spinner belt now the official WWE title? i mean honestly its laughable more laughable than that white womens title belt on TNA That i just saw for the first time today.

all of this caused by what you ask? cena returning.

kayne2000

3. oddly enough cenas second raw vince had the famouse show himself butt naked to world scene? coincidence or just a sign of vince showing his love for cena and giving him a peep showing before the private auditionkayne2000

I didn;t just hear Cole say Shelton's never wrestled on Smackdown before.LEGOslayer

I like the way they are building up the SmackDown Elimination Chamber match. It's obvious Undertaker is going to win though.

oh, and what was the point of the "new" Festus? He didn't change.

oh, and what was the point of the "new" Festus? He didn't change.Rage11

it was a joke or a "failed expiriement"

Edge will win the Elimination Chamber.

Bank on it

Edge will win the Elimination Chamber.

Bank on it

MysticKotenks

Edge isn't even in the Chamber match.

But anyway, WWE did ok this week and the Chamber match is getting built up better then Raw's, but No Way Out is next Weekend.

Edge will win the Elimination Chamber.

Bank on it

MysticKotenks

no comments on the why the last 46 minutes of TNA was like watching WWE spinoffs? i was actually hoping for an answer oh well lol

the cena gay remark sure that has no actual fact but hey the way vince loves him(further proving im aware cena has little to no control over his character and career making this arguement against me kind of stupid) i wouldnt be shocked if there was backstage homosexuality going on and given vinces love to make men kissk his naked butt it makes it even less shocking if this was to headline the newspaper one day.

im more implying because of cenas return hardy has to be dropped to mid card status again. orton must fall from the top again. HHH now he has to squash cena or put cena over AGAIN. and id have to wonder how cena vs HHH will sell more tickets than say orton vs hardy when the fact is orton vs hardy is very capable of selling tickets since it looked to be building nicely. whereas HHH vs CENA is going to be bum rushed into 5 weeks.

also the whole creative got this genious idea to make the rumble seem useless so we can push the great and mighty superman known as cena and raw can live to suck another day when at least i had thought raws quality had improved without the five moves of doom on a weekly basis and actually looking forward to raws main events of the night.

whether the wrestling fans here are crazy or not who knows but the fact remains Cena a face is getting booed. his matches generally suck and most actual wrestling fans would prefer the hardy and orton scenario or just hardy finnally maineventing. hell he beat HHH cleanly that says alot but now his wrestlamnia fate unless he wins money in the bank hes back to being a nobody that the fans love.

sure none of what i say could be said as 100% fact but what is fact is that raw has now been shifted drastically to account for super man and i cant say its for the better.

even if you dont want to agree cena is raws biggest problem he is easily in the top 5.

no comments on the why the last 46 minutes of TNA was like watching WWE spinoffs? i was actually hoping for an answer oh well lol

the cena gay remark sure that has no actual fact but hey the way vince loves him(further proving im aware cena has little to no control over his character and career making this arguement against me kind of stupid) i wouldnt be shocked if there was backstage homosexuality going on and given vinces love to make men kissk his naked butt it makes it even less shocking if this was to headline the newspaper one day.

-Oh my god..... your so..... you know what, no comment.

im more implying because of cenas return hardy has to be dropped to mid card status again. orton must fall from the top again. HHH now he has to squash cena or put cena over AGAIN. and id have to wonder how cena vs HHH will sell more tickets than say orton vs hardy when the fact is orton vs hardy is very capable of selling tickets since it looked to be building nicely. whereas HHH vs CENA is going to be bum rushed into 5 weeks.

How do you know, most likely Hardy will win money in the bank, you don't know if Orton will lost the WWE title or not, and if he does, there can always be a triple threat at WM.

also the whole creative got this genious idea to make the rumble seem useless so we can push the great and mighty superman known as cena and raw can live to suck another day when at least i had thought raws quality had improved without the five moves of doom on a weekly basis and actually looking forward to raws main events of the night.

The only thing I agree with you on, I didn't like the useless Rumble part, I paid for it and I was dissapointed that it wont be used for WM, but the rest of this paragraph is mindlss bashing, making you look foolish.

whether the wrestling fans here are crazy or not who knows but the fact remains Cena a face is getting booed. his matches generally suck and most actual wrestling fans would prefer the hardy and orton scenario or just hardy finnally maineventing. hell he beat HHH cleanly that says alot but now his wrestlamnia fate unless he wins money in the bank hes back to being a nobody that the fans love.

The only wrestling fan that is crazy seems to be you. Cena getting booed is a fad, he got a massive cheer this Monday, and guess what, he got a major pop when he entered the rumble, and like the other poster said, you crazy blind Cena haters relised you were cheering Cena, then it went back to the booes.

sure none of what i say could be said as 100% fact but what is fact is that raw has now been shifted drastically to account for super man and i cant say its for the better.

Barely shifted at all, I mean of course there is a shift, its Wrestlemaina season and a big face returned.

even if you dont want to agree cena is raws biggest problem he is easily in the top 5.

Hes one of Raws and WWEs top 5 assets, not problems, you blind hater.

kayne2000

I'm not sure why I'm entering into this again, its not going to do any good but

Let me get this straight, the biggest reason you seem to be pissed off at Cena right now is because his return derailed Jeff Hardy's main event push and put Hardy back in the midcard.

That was going to happen regardless of whether Cena returned or not. Jeff Hardy is not, was not and is never going to be in the main event of Wrestlemania 24. It wasn't going to happen. Had Cena not returned, we'd be on the road to Triple H-Orton as we had been since Orton won the title at No Mercy. Now whether that's a more exciting Wrestlemania main event to you is your problem and perogative, but I'm not sure where this idea popped into your head that Jeff was ever in the Wrestlemania main event mix before or after John Cena returned. Jeff Hardy's Rumble match was a placeholder and at best an experiment to see how people respond, but it didn't matter how well the crowd responded, WWE was not putting Jeff Hardy in a Wrestlemania main event.

The best you can hope for is that the WWE is now considering giving Hardy a run with the belt in the near future. Now that may be something that changes because of Cena's return, but he was going to be back eventually anyway. We didn't no when WWE was expecting him back or what they were planning to do after Trips beat Orton at Wrestlemania, they probably didn't either and its moot now.

And bashing Cena's wrestling at this point is just blind. Let's just look at some of the matches:
John Cena vs Umaga I: Better than anybody was expecting.
John Cena vs Umaga II: Some people called this a MOTN, MOTYC. It was a good brawl and again better than anybody was expecting.
John Cena vs Shawn Michaels: Arguable MOTN, MOTY. My personal MOTY for WWE. Great action and great drama.
John Cena vs Shawn Michaels II: They carried an hour of television. How many guys in WWE can do that? Another MOTYC.
John Cena vs Shawn Michaels vs Randy Orton vs Edge: Arguable MOTN, low end MOTYC. My definate favorite match of the show.
John Cena vs Khali I: Crap as everything with Khali is, but far more passable than expected.
John Cena vs Khali II: Great ending spot, bad up to it. However, Cena got better matches out of Khali than even HBK.
John Cena vs Orton vs Foley vs Booker vs Lashley: Too short.
John Cena vs Bobby Lashley: Good, better than I expected. Another debateable MOTN. And I can't think of a better Bobby Lashley match. I can't even think of another Lashley match that I enjoyed.
John Cena vs Randy Orton: The saving grace of a crappy PPV. Easy MOTN.

Now I can't think of anybody off the top of my head in WWE who had a better year going up to No Mercy. The only person who'd come close is, IMO, is Shawn Michaels, which'd still put Cena is some pretty good company. You could say he was carried if you want, but it still takes two to tango and you have to bring something to the table even to be carried.

In my humble opinion, at this point, the only debate you could make about John Cena's wrestling ability (or lack thereof) is his weakness in selling of moves, of which, these days, he is not by any means the only one who has that problem...

fine then enjoy the mighty cena and his 5 moves of doom though tonight he didnt do them which is shocking but he still won instantly after getting his but handed to him for 95% of the match

enjoy the cena never losing

and enjoy a champion who cant sell a move(sure hes not the only one who cant sell a move but if hes main eventing or even the champion its expected to be able to sell most moves and if you are face well the crownd should be 50% or more of boos)

and enjoy his lame rap marine overcome all odds gimmick as it eats away at the main events. unless he is 1000x better on ppvs(i dont order ppvs) then he plain and simple stinks and makes the title match feuds pretty crummy. but you folks claim he is not a big problem for raw then enjoy the crappy overcome everything superman champion that never loses. aside from a random good match here and there on a whole 90% of his matches just flat out suck and the way he is pushed makes it even worse and then to hold the title makes it just that more pitiful there really is no denying 90% of a WWE champions matches sucking is just not right.

so i fail to see how my arguement is a failure and who says hardy would never ever be champion? hell rey mysterio was champion and that guy isnt exactly a heavy weight. heck the WWE title is a spinner belt and held by one of most boring champions there has ever been well until cena got injured anyway but hell get it back soon enough.

oh and i never did cheer when i saw the rubmle highlights and he returned i think it was closer to crying than anything after the shock went away and i realized he was going to win. nor was i happy that he was back on raw. as his matches suck and he was a boring champion.

perhaps id like him if he ya know lost more than 3 times a year and could sell a move and didnt have the 5 moves of doom = istant win.

fine then enjoy the mighty cena and his 5 moves of doom though tonight he didnt do them which is shocking but he still won instantly after getting his but handed to him for 95% of the match

enjoy the cena never losing

and enjoy a champion who cant sell a move(sure hes not the only one who cant sell a move but if hes main eventing or even the champion its expected to be able to sell most moves and if you are face well the crownd should be 50% or more of boos)

and enjoy his lame rap marine overcome all odds gimmick as it eats away at the main events. unless he is 1000x better on ppvs(i dont order ppvs) then he plain and simple stinks and makes the title match feuds pretty crummy. but you folks claim he is not a big problem for raw then enjoy the crappy overcome everything superman champion that never loses. aside from a random good match here and there on a whole 90% of his matches just flat out suck and the way he is pushed makes it even worse and then to hold the title makes it just that more pitiful there really is no denying 90% of a WWE champions matches sucking is just not right.

so i fail to see how my arguement is a failure and who says hardy would never ever be champion? hell rey mysterio was champion and that guy isnt exactly a heavy weight. heck the WWE title is a spinner belt and held by one of most boring champions there has ever been well until cena got injured anyway but hell get it back soon enough.

oh and i never did cheer when i saw the rubmle highlights and he returned i think it was closer to crying than anything after the shock went away and i realized he was going to win. nor was i happy that he was back on raw. as his matches suck and he was a boring champion.

perhaps id like him if he ya know lost more than 3 times a year and could sell a move and didnt have the 5 moves of doom = istant win.

kayne2000

Most of those debates have do with elements other than wrestling ability, of which, majority of people on here already agree with you that John Cena should not have never-ending death-grip on the title (including myself). The only thing I have said, in that regard, is that if someone has to, realistically, fill that role, I easily prefer it to be John Cena, over the alternative of going back to the "magical" and "wonderful" land of "I am that damn good."

Also, I agree with you in saying his character is generic, and I will go one further in saying his delivery on the mic is rather cheesy. The only difference, these days, he has, thanfkully, dropped the incredibility lame attempts at trying establish catch-phrases.

However, with that being said, the only thing I have ever said was this:

In my humble opinion, at this point, the only debate you could make about John Cena's wrestling ability (or lack thereof) is his weakness in selling of moves, of which, these days, he is not by any means the only one who has that problem...

Link256

Last time I checked, wrestling ability has nothing do with character (gimmick) or win/loss record (booking).

Beyond that, in regards to the "Five or Six Moves of Doom" debate, do you have any idea where that term came from? In case you do not know, it came from Bret Hart, someone of which, considered by some to be one of the best workers in the history of the business and therefore, his set usually would include the following: Vertical Suplex, Bulldog, Russian Legsweep, Backbreaker and Second Rope Elbow Drop, finished by the Sharpshooter.

Hell, even look at Shawn Michaels. The guy, despite his age, is still considered by many to be possible the best worker in the company, and yet, the guy has similar "problem" as John Cena: Recovery, Inverted Atomic Drop, Punch, Scoop Slam and Flying Elbow Drop, finished by Sweet-Chin-Music or Modified Indian Death-Lock/Figure 4 Leg-Lock.