2 of the critisisms for GOW that are being overblown (host advantage)

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#51 The_Paladine
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[QUOTE="Goron24"]

Think about this if the host advantage IS as big as you say it is. would epic not have noticed and responeded quickly?

since i dont think you can answer this on your own yes epic would have responded right away and started to work to fix it. your getting killed by a player of similar or better skill/reflexes and i have 3 words for you

GET OVER IT!

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There's no way you can fix host advantage you noob. As long as 1 player hosts a game he will have a 50% better chance of killing you. Sometimes more.

its not 50% its alot less, if they arnt that good, u can still rape them, it affects all the guns but only really helps with lancer and shotgun and sniper. And u eventually get used to compensating for it. but he is right, it would be impossible for epic to fix it, because it has nothing to do with the game, only the network. the only way to fix it would be to make a penalty on the host wich would be gai
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#52 SymphonicWaves
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I once played this dude who was AWESOME. I was host, had 14 kills, he had 23. And he had no prob killling me and my host shotty. He was good.
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#53 SymphonicWaves
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[QUOTE="Superbustacap"][QUOTE="Goron24"]

Think about this if the host advantage IS as big as you say it is. would epic not have noticed and responeded quickly?

since i dont think you can answer this on your own yes epic would have responded right away and started to work to fix it. your getting killed by a player of similar or better skill/reflexes and i have 3 words for you

GET OVER IT!

The_Paladine


There's no way you can fix host advantage you noob. As long as 1 player hosts a game he will have a 50% better chance of killing you. Sometimes more.

its not 50% its alot less, if they arnt that good, u can still rape them, it affects all the guns but only really helps with lancer and shotgun and sniper. And u eventually get used to compensating for it. but he is right, it would be impossible for epic to fix it, because it has nothing to do with the game, only the network. the only way to fix it would be to make a penalty on the host wich would be gai

They can do whatever everyone else does to fix it. Client side hit detection or something?
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#54 Superbustacap
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[QUOTE="Superbustacap"][QUOTE="Goron24"]

Think about this if the host advantage IS as big as you say it is. would epic not have noticed and responeded quickly?

since i dont think you can answer this on your own yes epic would have responded right away and started to work to fix it. your getting killed by a player of similar or better skill/reflexes and i have 3 words for you

GET OVER IT!

The_Paladine


There's no way you can fix host advantage you noob. As long as 1 player hosts a game he will have a 50% better chance of killing you. Sometimes more.

its not 50% its alot less, if they arnt that good, u can still rape them, it affects all the guns but only really helps with lancer and shotgun and sniper. And u eventually get used to compensating for it. but he is right, it would be impossible for epic to fix it, because it has nothing to do with the game, only the network. the only way to fix it would be to make a penalty on the host wich would be gai



I think there should be a slight penalty on the damage the host takes away.  With the very least change it could make the game perfectly equal.  It may do absolutely nothing though if the guy has a great host advantage.  So I say why not make it a little more fair with a slight, slight, host damage reduction penalty.  Think of it this way... the host always takes away about 15% more damage at the very least from 10 feet away.  So reduce the host's damage by 10%.  Better than the way it is now.
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#55 iloverikku11
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only thing i dont like about it, is in a smiper battle, the hosts bullets are faster, so you usually get screwed over, i never thought about it this way though, my friend always hosts player matches an he kills me like 90% of the time.
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#56 The_Paladine
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THE HOST DOESNT DO MORE DAMAGE HE IS JUST MORE ACURATE CAUSE THERE IS NO LAG ON HIS SIDE
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#57 The_Paladine
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just watch out for it, treat it like a guy running at u with a chaisaw, dont run in like a retard tag him or chainsaw him if u got to. one thing that works great would be if u blindfired and take off his health like that
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#58 LTomlinson21
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[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]i said this last time a topic was brought up about this, but just play better, I can beat the host half of the time.TheBigTicket21
Even if they are skilled and are host, they aren't unbeatable. No said they were unbeatable. It's just at times they can have an advantage which lessens the odds.

well life isn't fair, you still gotta keep fighting

In the gaming world it can be controlled, though. Which makes it all the better.
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#59 LTomlinson21
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To who ever said that you get blood on your screen when you host, I believe you can turn that off. I think it's the "Intensified Gore" or whatever option.

They also can't fix so no one has a "host advantage."

Provided servers offer a more fair game.

I don't really have a huge problem with this, just saying my mind.

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#60 Superbustacap
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THE HOST DOESNT DO MORE DAMAGE HE IS JUST MORE ACURATE CAUSE THERE IS NO LAG ON HIS SIDEThe_Paladine


I know that, I'm not an idiot.  But yes, any time a host shoots it damages more because he's more accurate so there should be a penalty.
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#61 zaney
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Sure the host has an advantage, but is only noticable on good players.  I have only hosted 3 matches and I have had this game since it launched.  I received my only negative feedback ever for unsporting conduct for taking out the entire team by myself round after round with little effort.  There is a simple solution called client side hit detection, epic chose not to put it in the game because hackers can use aimbotz and other programs with it to cheat.  Thing is, to my knowledge the 360 hasn't been hacked yet and the problem is only in PCs.  By the way, call of duty uses client side hit detection, and how often to you here people complain about host advantage?
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#62 ghostjga
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Yes, host advantage is there. And everyone admits it and of course how big the advantage is very much dependent on how fast the host connection is. I live in Japan and most of games i play are with my buddies in the US. Good host are the ones that have a good connection, and everyone in the room can even barely even feel the lag. Being in japan, this is noticable, so i usually add good hosts a friends and will definitely join them from a game anytime. Bad host are ones with BAD connections and still want to host (probably since non-host would mean lag for them). I avoide these types like a disease. My point, ADVANTAGE is there, but its relative. Look around, you'll find a fun room to play in (with minimum advantage).
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#63 Generic_Dude
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r u kidding host addvantage is horrible in gow i stoped playing it beacase of itRossdaboss777

I stopped playing because of the lag. I think I might go back on and see what it is like these days, though. Played a little single player today because I just got my HDTV and I'm kinda into not playing Lumines for a while, lol.

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#64 mattkohl71
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The fact of the matter is when you're in a game, and one person has 300 or more points than anyone else, very very rarely is it cuz of them having great skill. It is because of them being host. That is a fact.

And I read that if Epic thought it was a big problem, they would fix it right away. No, they wouldn't actually. They put the blood on the hosts screen in an attempt to even out the advantage. Also now the glitch that only players can do and not the host has been made legal, and is no longer a glitch. The trick I'm talking about is the X+A when you pick up the weapon you dont stand still.

They aren't gonna implement Client Side Hit Detection because Cliffy thinks it would mess with the cover system too much also. So that's never gonna happen.

The only two things Epic has done for host advantage is some blood on the screen and made a glitch legal. Wow, what a great job. I love the game, but Cliffy admitted they were focused on single player only. The multiplayer was just sorta tacked on.

They do need to fix this. Just look at YouTube videos. It is very very noticeable. The host has an unfair advantage, and it needs to be fixed. End of story. There may be some times when people over exaggerate, but most of the time it is the host. No one can argue it is fair or it is not a big deal. It is, and Epic needs a fire lit under their asses.

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#65 Etheral_Filcher
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The bullet lag in GeoW is horrible. I don't think I have ever played a game with so many online problems.
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#66 mattkohl71
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When people think someone else is the host when they are not, that means the host is not a skilled player. Also the host just not have enough skill to make a big difference.

When people think the host is who the host is, then it is a skilled player. They have more kills, downs, points, revives than anyone else. They seem to dominate and react faster.

That's the only two basic ways it happens. There are more, so if you really want, list them? But basically that's it.

Hope that helps you out Menduco

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#67 Lingxor
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Host has a huge advantage over people even in the same area.
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#68 stygiansanity
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you have a point, but host still has a massive advantage, I don't online anymore because of it.
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#69 mattkohl71
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And even you stated that as Host you get more kills. Why is that? Oh yeah... because you are host. You yourself even admitted to its advantage. When all you do is play 5 rounders, its not that big of a deal. Try going into a 15 rounder where the host gets ridiculous points. It is an unfair advantage that you even stated doubles your kill count all because you decided to spend 10 minutes for the room to fill up.
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#70 musclesforcier
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Get a better connection it helps a lot. I just increased my upload speed from 256 to 512 and it makes a big difference.
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#71 xFifty1ne
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the host is like superman....seriously

when i get host i get over 20 kills...this game has the worst balance of host and weaponsi have ever seen...it's turned into a shotgun fest..i mean no one even uses cover...they just run up to weapons and glitch them...(oh man it's mlg standard bro) yeah ok.....
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#72 frankeyser
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host advantage does exist.  all it takes those is some forward thinking.  you shot your weapons at the ground see how bad your ping is then lead your shots that much.  personally i think it is annoying and prefer when i am in a room with almost no lag but i deal with it.
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#73 The_Paladine
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Just glitch like a b1tch, thats what i do, it owns host. i see him coming i just rev up my running chainsaw, either that or flank him and come up on his back. Flank>Host
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