plz say no arbiter, plz!!!!!!! Just MC, please!!!!!!!!! I hate the arbiterDopemonk736I thought the Arbitor was a great part of the game. It showed both sides of the conflict and a side of teh story that could not have been told through master chief. I bet they fight side by side in this one. I loved the stealth combat. He better be in it now.
Arbiter in Halo 3! 4 sure
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[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"] You think Halo 1 had a good story? I mean video games aren't normally know for them (mgs being the huge exception) but Halo was, there are aliens, we have to kill them. You didn't care why they were doing it. You didn't care about the ring, you just wanted it gone. And your entire first paragraph has nothing to do with the arbitor. MC has no past. No future, no nothing. He's just another soldier, only he's stronger. He's boring. He has no background whatsoever, he's quite possibly the most generic, uninspired character in a AAA game yet.blue-fish
Firstly, just because it has a simple story, that doesn't mean it is a bad one. I personally felt the limmited narrative of Halo1 worked very well to drive the action forward while making you curious about what was actually going on. Just because it's not intricate and convoluted like some games plots doesn't mean it doesn't do exactly what it needs to for the well being of the game. It's not epic, no, but it worked well and intrigued me. And it seems that 6 years after its release people still like the story, it must have something going for it.
Secondly, you just told me why I played the game... umm, that seem a little baseless to you? Great argument man.
Thirdly, my paragraph has everything to do with the Arbitor. The only reason he is in the story is to tell the story of the civil war. If the civil war wasn't part of the story he would have no purpose, use your brain please.
Lastly, just another soldier? That must be why he's so unbelievably popular huh? What with comics, books, toys and very nearly a movie under his belt he must be the epitomy of bland right? With fans and critics talking about just how cool this guy is, you among all them must be the only one that knows the truth? And if you had read my post (beyond the first paragraph that you didn't seem to take in all that well) you might have read the part about Bungie telling us more about him. Instead of about a character it seems very few people like.
Try to see that not all stories and characters have to be elaborate and have pages of dialogue to explain exactly who they are and where they come from to be endearing. There are a million RPG's that explain every little detail of the world and pages of text conversation. What are the names of those games? Oh right, no one remembers them. (not that im against RPG's at all) Simple stories can be good, simple characters can be good. Simple as that.
I don't specifically mean YOU didn't care. I mean the player in general. Next, your FIRST paragraph is about the technical aspect of the game. Controls and whatnot, none of which have a single thing to do with what character model you are (the arbitor or MC).
And oh my god. Popular means good? So all the trash music on MTV must be good. My good man popular does not equal quality. Seriously, another crappy video game movie to make money off people who will flock to theatre's to see the garbage that will be Transformers does not make the story quality.
And FF is famous dude. Pfft, no one remembers them. Maybe YOU don't know anything about rpg's, but way to lump millions all into your character, having met none of these people. Way to ASSume.
it is true that the arbiter came into the story a bit to late and his missions did suck ass but that doesnt me he is a bad charecter if he was in the first game he would have been a loved charecter and anyone who didnt like him would have been told to **** off
the master chief does have depth and popularity and he is in the quality department he is an icon so dont say that popularity doesnt mean anything he alone just about made the xbox popular and now look at all the quality game son the xbox 360
Try to see that not all stories and characters have to be elaborate and have pages of dialogue to explain exactly who they are and where they come from to be endearing. There are a million RPG's that explain every little detail of the world and pages of text conversation. What are the names of those games? Oh right, no one remembers them. (not that im against RPG's at all) Simple stories can be good, simple characters can be good. Simple as that.
I don't specifically mean YOU didn't care. I mean the player in general. Next, your FIRST paragraph is about the technical aspect of the game. Controls and whatnot, none of which have a single thing to do with what character model you are (the arbitor or MC).
And oh my god. Popular means good? So all the trash music on MTV must be good. My good man popular does not equal quality. Seriously, another crappy video game movie to make money off people who will flock to theatre's to see the garbage that will be Transformers does not make the story quality.
And FF is famous dude. Pfft, no one remembers them. Maybe YOU don't know anything about rpg's, but way to lump millions all into your character, having met none of these people. Way to ASSume. SymphonicWaves
They put together a muddled and awkward narrative because they tried to cover WAY too much and build a character up from the ground that no one wanted before the game was released and the majority of people didn't like to play as. Not only that but the core gameplay suffered, the controls weren't as tight as Halo1 and the weapons and grenades didn't have as much visceral punch. Halo 2 was more based on long ranged point and click combat where Halo1 excelled in close quarter firefights that require quick fingers as well as the quick play of shields, grenades and A.I, which is more interesting to you?blue-fish
My first paragraph is obviously about more then mechanics, please re-read.
And see, that was my point exactly. There are hundreds of RPG’s out there with tons and tons of backstory and text, but only a very select few are still remembered, Final Fantasy being one of them. I very much dout anyone will remember the heavy handed Japanese rpg that came out for the PS2 in 2005, maybe one or two are memorable? Halo1 is quite old at this point, how many shooters from that year have people talk about their story?
Is this what your argument has degraded into? “It’s popular” It has a character people like (your opinion no more relevant then the millions against you) and a story people got into and remember, even if you didn’t. I know enough to know when a story is built with more going on underneath (see novels and comics) and when one is just an excuse for shooting. Halo is not Pulitzer material or anything, but it is exactly what it needs to be to make the game thrive. And I think it was the over abundance and stifling politics that hurt Halo2's story.
Master Cheif didn't make it. Master Chief is not an interesting character in the least. Halo in general made it. MC could have been anybody.it is true that the arbiter came into the story a bit to late and his missions did suck ass but that doesnt me he is a bad charecter if he was in the first game he would have been a loved charecter and anyone who didnt like him would have been told to **** off
the master chief does have depth and popularity and he is in the quality department he is an icon so dont say that popularity doesnt mean anything he alone just about made the xbox popular and now look at all the quality game son the xbox 360
bartwon
[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"]
I don't specifically mean YOU didn't care. I mean the player in general. Next, your FIRST paragraph is about the technical aspect of the game. Controls and whatnot, none of which have a single thing to do with what character model you are (the arbitor or MC).
And oh my god. Popular means good? So all the trash music on MTV must be good. My good man popular does not equal quality. Seriously, another crappy video game movie to make money off people who will flock to theatre's to see the garbage that will be Transformers does not make the story quality.
And FF is famous dude. Pfft, no one remembers them. Maybe YOU don't know anything about rpg's, but way to lump millions all into your character, having met none of these people. Way to ASSume. blue-fish
They put together a muddled and awkward narrative because they tried to cover WAY too much and build a character up from the ground that no one wanted before the game was released and the majority of people didn't like to play as. Not only that but the core gameplay suffered, the controls weren't as tight as Halo1 and the weapons and grenades didn't have as much visceral punch. Halo 2 was more based on long ranged point and click combat where Halo1 excelled in close quarter firefights that require quick fingers as well as the quick play of shields, grenades and A.I, which is more interesting to you?blue-fish
This paragraph seems to not be about gameplay mechanics doesn’t it?
Try to see that not all stories and characters have to be elaborate and have pages of dialogue to explain exactly who they are and where they come from to be endearing. There are a million RPG's that explain every little detail of the world and pages of text conversation. What are the names of those games? Oh right, no one remembers them. (not that im against RPG's at all) Simple stories can be good, simple characters can be good. Simple as that.
blue-fish
Now see, that’s my point exactly. There are hundreds of RPG’s out there with tons and tons of backstory and text, but only a very select few are still remembered, Final Fantasy being one of them.
Is this what your argument has degraded into? “It’s popular” It has a character people like (your opinion no more relevant then the millions against you) and a story people got into and remember, even if you didn’t. I know enough to know when a story is built with more going on underneath (see novels and comics) and when one is just an excuse for shooting. Halo is not Pulitzer material or anything, but it is exactly what it needs to be.
Alot of those rpg's are probobly forgotten because they suck, whether it's story or gameplay related. But that's besides the point. Your first paragraph, save the 1st sentence, has nothing to do with the arbitor. The sole topic of this thread. And for the millions against me, there are even more with me. Just talk to just about any PC gamer. Mainly anyone whose ever heard of the game Half Life. But let's put that aside. And it's sad these books and comics? Spin offs. They aren't the video game put into print form. They are spin off's based on the video game. The Video games is a barebones version of what people thought up for the books.
Their stories are forgotten too, that's exactly my point. People remember a good story, even if the game is basic or flawed, eg. point and click adventures.
So you're ignoring my first sentence and my first point? If I had written a second sentence would you have considered it?
So what you are saying is that if you ask a Half Life fan about halo they might say bad things? That's a reliable, unbiased demographic that I'm sure you have studied extensively huh? Any evidence outside what you and your friends say about Halo? Basically, your counterpoint is "Ask the biased people and they will tell you if the story/characters are any good"
And yes, the books and comics are spinoffs, so? They are based on the pre-existing universe that was made for Halo. The game is based on more content then it communicates, why is that bad? This is not the same kind of storytelling forbidden>
Their stories are forgotten too, that's exactly my point. People remember a good story, even if the game is basic or flawed, eg. point and click adventures.
So you're ignoring my first sentence and my first point? If I had written a second sentence would you have considered it?
So what you are saying is that if you ask a Half Life fan about halo they might say bad things? That's a reliable, unbiased demographic that I'm sure you have studied extensively huh? Any evidence outside what you and your friends say about Halo? Basically, your counterpoint is "Ask the biased people and they will tell you if the story/characters are any good"
And yes, the books and comics are spinoffs, so? They are based on the pre-existing universe that was made for Halo. The game is based on more content then it communicates, why is that bad? This is not the same kind of storytelling forbidden> I'm ignoring the first paragraph, save the first sentence, because it's irrelevant. Why don't we talk about cheaters while we're at it? And dude, my comment about half life players is just as dumb as your about saying everyone who likes halo like MC. I like halo, but find theres nothing about MC to like. One ignorant comment deserves another eh? The books and comics make so much stuff up. They take the few things in Halo that are original, and then they just build off of them like crazy. The game is a seperate entitiy from the comics and books, and if the games story sucks, the games story sucks. You shouldn't have to read a bunch of spinoff books and comics that have NOTHING to do with the game and are totally made up. The comics and whatnot are a whole nother world of their own.
[QUOTE="Agent_Kaliaver"][QUOTE="Kash_1095"]Well since the Arbiter is Essential to the story now, he has to be in Besides he's a cool character. They just gotta make his missions betterKash_1095
I loved the arbitor and i love the fact that Bungie made it where we were able to play the "bad guys" and learn their story. The only problem i had with him was the fact that when i started playing as him i had to fight the fu***** flood which i personally thought hurt the game more than the ending.
Well the flood and the Brutes are the true enemy now so Prepare yourself for Halo 3Oh i have no problem with Brutes or the Flood it is just that they added a new character to be then shoved most of the flood levels on him which in turn made his levels not very fun.
[QUOTE="blue-fish"][QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"] Alot of those rpg's are probobly forgotten
because they suck, whether it's story or gameplay related. But that's
besides the point. Your first paragraph, save the 1st sentence, has
nothing to do with the arbitor. The sole topic of this thread. And for
the millions against me, there are even more with me. Just talk to just
about any PC gamer. Mainly anyone whose ever heard of the game Half
Life. But let's put that aside.
And it's sad these books and comics? Spin offs. They aren't the video
game put into print form. They are spin off's based on the video game.
The Video games is a barebones version of what people thought up for
the books.SymphonicWaves
Their stories are forgotten too, that's exactly my point. People remember a good story, even if the game is basic or flawed, eg. point and click adventures.
So you're ignoring my first sentence and my first point? If I had written a second sentence would you have considered it?
So what you are saying is that if you ask a Half Life fan about halo they might say bad things? That's a reliable, unbiased demographic that I'm sure you have studied extensively huh? Any evidence outside what you and your friends say about Halo? Basically, your counterpoint is "Ask the biased people and they will tell you if the story/characters are any good"
And yes, the books and comics are spinoffs, so? They are based on the pre-existing universe that was made for Halo. The game is based on more content then it communicates, why is that bad? This is not the same kind of storytelling forbidden>
I'm ignoring the first paragraph, save the first sentence, because it's irrelevant. Why don't we talk about cheaters while we're at it?
And dude, my comment about half life players is just as dumb as your about saying everyone who likes halo like MC. I like halo, but find theres nothing about MC to like. One ignorant comment deserves another eh?
The books and comics make so much stuff up. They take the few things in Halo that are original, and then they just build off of them like crazy. The game is a seperate entitiy from the comics and books, and if the games story sucks, the games story sucks. You shouldn't have to read a bunch of spinoff books and comics that have NOTHING to do with the game and are totally made up. The comics and whatnot are a whole nother world of their own.
Yea, but you're ignoring the first sentence as well it seems.
No, your comment was dumber, a discussion of Halo almost always results in how cool the MC is as well. He's the most talked about protagonist of the genre at this time.
"The books and comics make so much stuff up. They take the few things in Halo that are original, and then they just build off of them like crazy." Kind of like your rampant and obvious speculation? I take it you know all about the game to novel industry? What I know is that Bungie created a universe to set Halo in, not a framework to set it on (interviews, documentaries, backstory and art). I know they are very protective of their property, and in the case of the film and it's script had a big say on what would make it to the screen.
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[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"]Course it's no masterpiece, but that doesn't mean it has to suck and be another run of the mill game where you shoot aliens. They show'd that in the 2nd. The first was nothing more then a shooter. I was all the gameplay, and for a AAA game, it seriously, seriously lacked in the narrative department. They try to improve that, and what happens? People cry. SymphonicWaves
Yea, I cried. They put together a muddled and awkward narrative because they tried to cover WAY too much and build a character up from the ground that no one wanted before the game was released and the majority of people didn't like to play as. Not only that but the core gameplay suffered, the controls weren't as tight as Halo1 and the weapons and grenades didn't have as much visceral punch. Halo 2 was more based on long ranged point and click combat where Halo1 excelled in close quarter firefights that require quick fingers as well as the quick play of shields, grenades and A.I, which is more interesting to you?
Why not have built up the MC as a character? With all the time they spent explaining the Covenant civil war and the Arbiter they could have but depth and feeling into the story people ACTUALLY cared about, ie. ours. Of course now we need to know what happens to the Arbiter to finish the story, but please just make it some cut scenes, good ones maybe, free from high minded babble to make the covenant seem grand and elegant? We did just enjoy the simple and well told story of Halo1 because it was us against the world, shooting aliens, something that was both simple and easy to identify with as well as a hint of a much larger universe behind it all. THAT'S why it was a good story.
Sorry to rant, I just love the games so much, I don't want Bungie to mess up the next one...
You think Halo 1 had a good story? I mean video games aren't normally know for them (mgs being the huge exception) but Halo was, there are aliens, we have to kill them. You didn't care why they were doing it. You didn't care about the ring, you just wanted it gone. And your entire first paragraph has nothing to do with the arbitor. MC has no past. No future, no nothing. He's just another soldier, only he's stronger. He's boring. He has no background whatsoever, he's quite possibly the most generic, uninspired character in a AAA game yet.
they dont explain it in the game but if you read halo: the fall of reach it tells you MC's past like (his name is John) thats what the movie is supposed to be based on
[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="blue-fish"]
[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"]Course it's no masterpiece, but that doesn't mean it has to suck and be another run of the mill game where you shoot aliens. They show'd that in the 2nd. The first was nothing more then a shooter. I was all the gameplay, and for a AAA game, it seriously, seriously lacked in the narrative department. They try to improve that, and what happens? People cry. sonofabear17
Yea, I cried. They put together a muddled and awkward narrative because they tried to cover WAY too much and build a character up from the ground that no one wanted before the game was released and the majority of people didn't like to play as. Not only that but the core gameplay suffered, the controls weren't as tight as Halo1 and the weapons and grenades didn't have as much visceral punch. Halo 2 was more based on long ranged point and click combat where Halo1 excelled in close quarter firefights that require quick fingers as well as the quick play of shields, grenades and A.I, which is more interesting to you?
Why not have built up the MC as a character? With all the time they spent explaining the Covenant civil war and the Arbiter they could have but depth and feeling into the story people ACTUALLY cared about, ie. ours. Of course now we need to know what happens to the Arbiter to finish the story, but please just make it some cut scenes, good ones maybe, free from high minded babble to make the covenant seem grand and elegant? We did just enjoy the simple and well told story of Halo1 because it was us against the world, shooting aliens, something that was both simple and easy to identify with as well as a hint of a much larger universe behind it all. THAT'S why it was a good story.
Sorry to rant, I just love the games so much, I don't want Bungie to mess up the next one...
You think Halo 1 had a good story? I mean video games aren't normally know for them (mgs being the huge exception) but Halo was, there are aliens, we have to kill them. You didn't care why they were doing it. You didn't care about the ring, you just wanted it gone. And your entire first paragraph has nothing to do with the arbitor. MC has no past. No future, no nothing. He's just another soldier, only he's stronger. He's boring. He has no background whatsoever, he's quite possibly the most generic, uninspired character in a AAA game yet.
they dont explain it in the game but if you read halo: the fall of reach it tells you MC's past like (his name is John) thats what the movie is supposed to be based on
Spin off. Not at all relevant to the game. The Game's story, on it's own, without the spin off's, was garbage.i liked the arbiter it made the elites finally seem cool and gave you a good reason to play them in multiplayer as MC equal and people thats saying halos story is far from a masterpiece or watever are more wrong then right the story is far beound any other game ive ever played i mean with novels and even in the future a movie how great of a story would you need to get that far thats right a great one that halo delivers what would be awsome is if the elites and humans teamed up and the arbiter lead the humans to battle somewere and MC lead the elites somewere to battle idk somethin different and kool like that and its played co-op and it happens the same time so you are at diff places with them both and then you come togather at one point or another like your mates MC and your arbiter that wud rule but make them both unque and played so differently but not to differentGlyndinYep, you need a great script to make a good movie. I mean, just look at every single video game made into a movie. They all must've had great story's to be made into movies, and what quality movies they were. And jesus christ dude, PERIODS. I can barely read your long ass sentence. What are you 9?
sypothinic wave, I see why you were banned from IGN....gamerking178I insulted a mod. And dude, I made this account like, a LONG TIME ago, for a totally different ban.
That's nice. But regardless, the game itself, was boring as hell story wise, until the second installment. They tried to make it more epic. Create some drama, introduce a chracter who actually had a personality and wasn't just a mindless killing machine. Someone with some emotion. And people moan and groan.
The Arbitor in the GAME had a backstory. There were more difficulties going on then getting shot at, which is the case with masterchief. MC is just a shell. You can create as many comics and movies as you want, but the bottom line is, they are all different characters with the same name.SymphonicWaves
"the game itself, was boring as hell story wise, until the second installment." And WOW man, that is YOUR OPINION, millions of gamers and most critics I've ever heard a word from about it disagree with you. Look beyond your own ego and see that you might be wrong, or at the very least have an opinion that differs from most. And don't try dismissing this again with that Popular Doesn't Equal Good bull$hit, how about sales, constant interest, industry respect and amazing reviews? People didn't moan and groan only about the Arbiter, it was his story in general people weren't interested in. They did try to make it more epic, and in my mind and many others, they failed. People didn't play Halo for a political story, Bungie should have known that.
"That's nice" is not a counterargument, it's what people say when they've lost an argument. Just in case you didn't know...
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