Arcade games a big rip off?

After a few weeks with not alot to play and the upcoming release of fable 2, i down loaded pub games which i have to admit i have become very addicted to, it cost 800 Microsoft points, bargain?

hang on a minute...no its not 100 micro soft points cost 85p (based on English pounds) so really it cost me £6.80 for a card game a dice game and a silly fruit machine game, all of which would be classed as free ware on the pc.

Now i see 2 games on arcade at 1200 ms points braid and castle crashers so let me get this straight £10.20 for a budget game there taking the piss now, you can buy quality games for a tenner such as gears of war,mass effect, saints row....and that's before you look in the pre owned sections.

I'm not tight and i fully understand that if i dont like the cost i dont have to buy any arcade games, but i do like playing some of the old classics i just think the prices are getting stupid, maybe they should devalue the games,like in the shops over time, or price them better.

Well looking forward to reading your views on the subject

You see if a game will give you a certain amount of enjoyment for the price.

If it does you buy it and if it doesn't you skip it

It's the same conversation how people want all RPG's to be at least 60 hours and first and third person shooters should never dip under 20. That's why companies make new games.

You're buying an experience, it's up to each individual user to select how much they're willing to pay for it.

After a few weeks with not alot to play and the upcoming release of fable 2, i down loaded pub games which i have to admit i have become very addicted to, it cost 800 Microsoft points, bargain?

hang on a minute...no its not 100 micro soft points cost 85p (based on English pounds) so really it cost me £6.80 for a card game a dice game and a silly fruit machine game, all of which would be classed as free ware on the pc.

Now i see 2 games on arcade at 1200 ms points braid and castle crashers so let me get this straight £10.20 for a budget game there taking the piss now, you can buy quality games for a tenner such as gears of war,mass effect, saints row....and that's before you look in the pre owned sections.

I'm not tight and i fully understand that if i dont like the cost i dont have to buy any arcade games, but i do like playing some of the old classics i just think the prices are getting stupid, maybe they should devalue the games,like in the shops over time, or price them better.

Well looking forward to reading your views on the subject

craigwhitcher

Big quality games you say? Puzzle Quest, REZ HD, Contra, Castlevania: SOTN and Castle Crashers gave more hours of fun than the crappy campaign of Gears of War and Mass Effect.

The way i see it, some of the XBLA developers work their asses off to make games, they need payment, do you want them to sell their games for 400 MS ponits(5 bucks)?

Are the games really value for money....and how many classics from your childhood have been wreaked because the memory of playing them was better than the actualcraigwhitcher

After a few weeks with not alot to play and the upcoming release of fable 2, i down loaded pub games which i have to admit i have become very addicted to, it cost 800 Microsoft points, bargain?

craigwhitcher

I got the pub games for free when I pre-ordered Fable 2

@ raahsnavj

30 hours for video games, lucky cabbage. I only get about 10 a week.

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After a few weeks with not alot to play and the upcoming release of fable 2, i down loaded pub games which i have to admit i have become very addicted to, it cost 800 Microsoft points, bargain?

RELL1K

I got the pub games for free when I pre-ordered Fable 2

@ raahsnavj

30 hours for video games, lucky cabbage. I only get about 10 a week.

I do think retail games offer much better value for money. The majority of games on XBLA are rubbish and have a very short life. While this summer has seen several high profile and highly rated games, lets not forget that there are 150+ other titles on XBLA which did not receive such glowing reviews, and which far fewer people are playing now they are over a month old.

1200MS is now roughly £10 in the UK, and considering games such as Mass Effect, Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, Gears of War and Halo can all be bought preowned for this amount, an XBLA would have to be what most XBLA games are not - a decent length and a high quality experience.

Geometry Wars is fun, but lets face it, for most people the average game is going to last under 10 minutes. This game is designed to be replayed over and over, but it is still a very short game. A lot of other XBLA games that feature campaign modes can usually be completed in 2-3 hours, if that.

Sure 400MS is very little, and 800MS is seen as the standard price for an arcade game, but the recent summer releases have largely been 1200MS, and Puzzle Quest, for those that bought it before it became an Aracade Hits title and also got the expansion have paid 1900MS.

Puzzle Quest is a rare example of an excellent XBLA game, and I thoroughly enjoyed playing it, and think it is good value for money, for an XBLA game, but when you consider you could pick up Oblivion GOTY, or Mass Effect AND Bioshock for the same price you realise that retail games offer a far greater depth and breadth of experience than anything on XBLA offers.

Also consider that retail games fall in price over time, and can also be sold/traded in when you are done with them. XBLA titles do not drop in price after a period of time (Arcade hits has been a single event for 8 games), and cannot be sold/traded when you are done with them, or realise that you bought something you didn't like.

The prices seem more than fair. You're getting like 10-15 hours of content out of these games, and they're about 1/4th the price.project343

Yeah but length shouldn't matter in games

If that was the case to make a good game someone would just have to make the game long.

I would rather spend that money on older original XBOX games that I didn't get to check out first.

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Maybe the arcade fans just cant afford real games and thats why they have to settle for second rate buget games...maybe im just mythed about giving microsoft more money after my recent red ring issues because there game concole breaks every 6 monthes or that if i sneeze in my room my disc will scratch, or i will be trold that my disc is not for my xbox. If only Sony had the same amount of games as the xbox id jump ship im afraid.craigwhitcher

[QUOTE="craigwhitcher"]Maybe the arcade fans just cant afford real games and thats why they have to settle for second rate buget games...maybe im just mythed about giving microsoft more money after my recent red ring issues because there game concole breaks every 6 monthes or that if i sneeze in my room my disc will scratch, or i will be trold that my disc is not for my xbox. If only Sony had the same amount of games as the xbox id jump ship im afraid.raahsnavj

Im afraid my friend that the issues are related it all falls into the section of shoddy over priced workmanship, XBLA games are over priced the large majority are not games made by some guy in his bed room...most are simple ports anyone who wanted to play old concole games on there pc will know how easy it is to get emulators, others are just freeware off the internet.......ok there are a few exceptions where sum guy as a hobby has produced a game....an origanal title....braid is not one of theese its just mario meets prince of persia....and is not worth £10. The guy who did it has not done it out of a love of producing games....he made it to make money plain and simple.

Everyone is entitled to view on the subject matter in a forum it makes an interesting debate.....problem is alot people get very defenseive about there choosen console......bit like the family of a murderere who cant believe there kid butchered sombody.Take a step back and be honest with yourselfs about your machine.

Im just hitting my 30th bday ive been playing consoles since the vextrex and have pretty much owned at least 2 from each generation of console, im also a builder of gamer pc and such a fan of games that ive travelled across europe the last 3 years to GC in leipzig. My views and conclusions are based on experiance

System Wars is that way----------------------------->

Your ranting now.

I'd admit, mot arcade titles are a huge rip off, especially the lame ports, but some of them are actually really good. Once you do your research and try out the trials you should be fine. I personally have a problem paying over 800 points for a game, but paying 1200 points for Braid was worth itSoulreavercross

i agree most are rip offs and i almost never buy them, but last month i got braid, bionic command o and castle crashers and they are worth every single penny...such awesome games and almost better than full retail games

You see if a game will give you a certain amount of enjoyment for the price.

If it does you buy it and if it doesn't you skip it

It's the same conversation how people want all RPG's to be at least 60 hours and first and third person shooters should never dip under 20. That's why companies make new games.

You're buying an experience, it's up to each individual user to select how much they're willing to pay for it.

Jaysonguy

I think all XBLA games should be priced according to content. If it's something like Warlords or Missile Command, something that's really more of a retread then an actual *new* game, it should be 400. Whereas games like Braid and Castle Crashers are completely new IPs that took probably a considerable amount of time to develop, even for an arcade game, could sell for 800-1200. They have the right idea, just not sure where they're heading with it.

I think all XBLA games should be priced according to content. If it's something like Warlords or Missile Command, something that's really more of a retread then an actual *new* game, it should be 400. Whereas games like Braid and Castle Crashers are completely new IPs that took probably a considerable amount of time to develop, even for an arcade game, could sell for 800-1200. They have the right idea, just not sure where they're heading with it.

EnderSR388

Braid and Castle Crashers use elements that are decades old, so wouldn't they get a discounted price by your standards?

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I think all XBLA games should be priced according to content. If it's something like Warlords or Missile Command, something that's really more of a retread then an actual *new* game, it should be 400. Whereas games like Braid and Castle Crashers are completely new IPs that took probably a considerable amount of time to develop, even for an arcade game, could sell for 800-1200. They have the right idea, just not sure where they're heading with it.

Jaysonguy

Braid and Castle Crashers use elements that are decades old, so wouldn't they get a discounted price by your standards?

My point is games like Warlords and Missile Command are exactly the same as they were on the Atari 2600. They just have shiny HD graphics now. Castle Crashers is a side scrolling beat-em-up so sure, you've seen that style of gameplay before and same with Braid, sure if feels like countless other 2d platformers, but it's a new game. There wasn't a Castle Crashers or Braid on the Atari 2600, NES or GENESIS, you know?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="EnderSR388"]

I think all XBLA games should be priced according to content. If it's something like Warlords or Missile Command, something that's really more of a retread then an actual *new* game, it should be 400. Whereas games like Braid and Castle Crashers are completely new IPs that took probably a considerable amount of time to develop, even for an arcade game, could sell for 800-1200. They have the right idea, just not sure where they're heading with it.

EnderSR388

Braid and Castle Crashers use elements that are decades old, so wouldn't they get a discounted price by your standards?

My point is games like Warlords and Missile Command are exactly the same as they were on the Atari 2600. They just have shiny HD graphics now. Castle Crashers is a side scrolling beat-em-up so sure, you've seen that style of gameplay before and same with Braid, sure if feels like countless other 2d platformers, but it's a new game. There wasn't a Castle Crashers or Braid on the Atari 2600, NES or GENESIS, you know?

Yes, those games that have done before are built from the ground up using HD graphics. Old elements modernized.

Just like Braid and Castle Crashers.

If I get Dig Dug and play it for 50 hours over a few years compared to getting Braid and playing it 20 what is the better deal?

It all comes down to entertainment. You can't put any tangible quality ratings on the games because they don't break down evenly.

[QUOTE="EnderSR388"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="EnderSR388"]

I think all XBLA games should be priced according to content. If it's something like Warlords or Missile Command, something that's really more of a retread then an actual *new* game, it should be 400. Whereas games like Braid and Castle Crashers are completely new IPs that took probably a considerable amount of time to develop, even for an arcade game, could sell for 800-1200. They have the right idea, just not sure where they're heading with it.

Jaysonguy

Braid and Castle Crashers use elements that are decades old, so wouldn't they get a discounted price by your standards?

My point is games like Warlords and Missile Command are exactly the same as they were on the Atari 2600. They just have shiny HD graphics now. Castle Crashers is a side scrolling beat-em-up so sure, you've seen that style of gameplay before and same with Braid, sure if feels like countless other 2d platformers, but it's a new game. There wasn't a Castle Crashers or Braid on the Atari 2600, NES or GENESIS, you know?

Yes, those games that have done before are built from the ground up using HD graphics. Old elements modernized.

Just like Braid and Castle Crashers.

If I get Dig Dug and play it for 50 hours over a few years compared to getting Braid and playing it 20 what is the better deal?

It all comes down to entertainment. You can't put any tangible quality ratings on the games because they don't break down evenly.

I see your point.

Castle Crashers says hell yes.

Edit: I mean hell no :P