Are you buying Forza 3?

It's still a rental for me. I had loads of fun with F1 but F 2got boring real fast. IDK if it was how career was setup or what but after putting in countless hours on Laguna Seca, Atlanta, etc and then they put the same tracks in F2 it gets old to me. At least Burnout has a decent soundtrack. Also, screenshots mean squat to me, if the gameplay and fun factor isn't there I could care less how good a game looks ex: Gears 2.InjuredNoodle

I was just showing you that the graphics are much better than in Forza 2, since you said Forza 2 didn't look good.

And its more than just the same tracks this time. There's more than double the amount of tracks than Forza 2 had, which is more than pretty much any racing game ever, sothere should be no 'getting bored' doing the same tracks over and over.

And career is done completely differently this time than it was before. Its much bigger and its setup to adapt to your preferences.

Definitely give it a rental, at least. It sounds like most of your complaints are being addressed with Forza 3.

Hopefully Forza 3 will include night and weathermohfrontline

These features were on the cards, but had to be cut due to time restraints.

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Wow, like we haven't heard that before.

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Wow, like we haven't heard that before.

InjuredNoodle

The guy who said it was a Turn 10 employee who was 'leaking' all the information about the game before most of the info was announced. He was plainly honest about everything.

Its disappointing to miss out on these things, but Forza 3 is a MASSIVE game, and you cant have every single feature known to man, ya know?

I mean, the game is so big that its taking up two discs. Most games that have more than one disc need extra discs cuz they have a bunch of cut-scenes. Not so with Forza 3. Its just packed with pure content.

Anyways, I dont know why I'm bothering trying to persuade you. Seems you've made up your mind about the game without even knowing much about it.

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Wow, like we haven't heard that before.

seankane

The guy who said it was a Turn 10 employee who was 'leaking' all the information about the game before most of the info was announced. He was plainly honest about everything.

Its disappointing to miss out on these things, but Forza 3 is a MASSIVE game, and you cant have every single feature known to man, ya know?

I mean, the game is so big that its taking up two discs. Most games that have more than one disc need extra discs cuz they have a bunch of cut-scenes. Not so with Forza 3. Its just packed with pure content.

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Wow, like we haven't heard that before.

InjuredNoodle

The guy who said it was a Turn 10 employee who was 'leaking' all the information about the game before most of the info was announced. He was plainly honest about everything.

Its disappointing to miss out on these things, but Forza 3 is a MASSIVE game, and you cant have every single feature known to man, ya know?

I mean, the game is so big that its taking up two discs. Most games that have more than one disc need extra discs cuz they have a bunch of cut-scenes. Not so with Forza 3. Its just packed with pure content.

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The guy who said it was a Turn 10 employee who was 'leaking' all the information about the game before most of the info was announced. He was plainly honest about everything.

Its disappointing to miss out on these things, but Forza 3 is a MASSIVE game, and you cant have every single feature known to man, ya know?

I mean, the game is so big that its taking up two discs. Most games that have more than one disc need extra discs cuz they have a bunch of cut-scenes. Not so with Forza 3. Its just packed with pure content.

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[Time constraints? On the 3rd version? Seriously!? Holy s%^7 they could do it perfectly with Forza 1, Y not the 3rd especially on a "superior" console. There's a reason they bundled F2 with new 360's, it sucked!!InjuredNoodle

Yes, time constraints. Microsoft gave them a deadline this time around, cuz they want to make sure they get it out before GT5 comes out.

And I guess you dont remember, or weren't paying attention, but both Forza 1 and 2 were delayed at some point in their development.

Deadlines/delays and whatnot are normal in this business. I'm sure if Turn 10 were given more time, they'd keep improving the game. I'm sure most developers would tell you the same thing about any game they made.

Also, Forza 3 is pretty much built from the ground up. They've brought over some models from Forza 2(but increased graphic fidelity, of course) to save time, but for the most part, Forza 3 is a brand new game. They had to model 400 cars, interior and exterior, and to a much higher quality than they did before. They had to build 115 tracks, which is more than you'll find in just about any racing game you could think of. They've packed in crap loads of other features, as well, like the advanced livery editor, store front and auction house, a HUGE career mode with 220 events(each event having multiple races), etc. These things take up time. They dont just wave their magic want or type in 'build 400 cars' and POOF, half of the game is made, ya know?

There's a LOT to the game, and you'd be hard pressed to say that the exclusion of 'x' feature was due to laziness or whatever else you think it might be. Like I said, how many games come with more than 1 disc and aren't full of cut scenes?

Forza 2 had its flaws and all, but it was still highly rated by most people/publications, so saying it 'sucked' or whatever is a bit much. You may not have appreciated what it had to offer, though. And anyways, my whole point was that most of the complaints you had about Forza 2 are being addressed with Forza 3. I dont know why you keep trying to be so cynical, when I'm just trying to help you out. Should I not bother? Are you just going to continue to try and pick fault with tiny little things to somehow justify your pessimism? Let me know, cuz I'll gladly stop.

No, it's just that I had high expectations for Forza 2 since F1 was so great. It seemed like F1 had that perfect balance between fun and realism while F2 was all about realism. The whole point of video games is to blend the 2 (realism and fun or fiction, action) And if they can devote enough time to fill an entire second disc I still can't understand why they can't include the small features (day and night) like F1. And if they are trying to rush the game to beat GT5 release then they will probably bundle F3 too. I thought the sound in F2 was great but all other features in F2 couldn't hold my attention. Anyway I hope I'm wrong and F3 turns out to be a great game, but until I rent it I'm still very skeptical, especially with this new gen ex: Gears 2.

No, it's just that I had high expectations for Forza 2 since F1 was so great. It seemed like F1 had that perfect balance between fun and realism while F2 was all about realism. The whole point of video games is to blend the 2 (realism and fun or fiction, action) And if they can devote enough time to fill an entire second disc I still can't understand why they can't include the small features (day and night) like F1. And if they are trying to rush the game to beat GT5 release then they will probably bundle F3 too. I thought the sound in F2 was great but all other features in F2 couldn't hold my attention. Anyway I hope I'm wrong and F3 turns out to be a great game, but until I rent it I'm still very skeptical, especially with this new gen.InjuredNoodle

They aren't 'rushing' the game. They just didn't want to add features that they couldn't do RIGHT. They've been developing this game for the past two and a half years, and I think I've already outlined how the content they've put in could have filled up that time.

And I'm not sure what you're not getting about the second disc. They've been spending their time adding content the whole time, and there wasn't any time left for rain/night/whatever else. They can only do so much with what they have, and I think overall, they've pretty much exceeded expectations in almost every area. I've yet to play a perfect game, so until then, I think we have to realize that ALL games are full of compromises of some kind, and we cant have absolutely everything we want.

As for them 'bundling' Forza 3 - first off, Forza 2 wasn't bundled cuz it sucked. That it 'sucked' is just your opinion. It was, in fact, a highly rated, high selling game on its own. It was bundled because it was a collaboration between Microsoft and Turn 10(who are, of course, owned by Microsoft). Besides, being bundled with a system doesn't make it bad. There's been lots of great games that were bundled with systems in the past.

Nothing wrong with being skeptical. But when people start being cynical just to justify their skepticism, it becomes more about stubborness than anything.

[QUOTE="InjuredNoodle"]No, it's just that I had high expectations for Forza 2 since F1 was so great. It seemed like F1 had that perfect balance between fun and realism while F2 was all about realism. The whole point of video games is to blend the 2 (realism and fun or fiction, action) And if they can devote enough time to fill an entire second disc I still can't understand why they can't include the small features (day and night) like F1. And if they are trying to rush the game to beat GT5 release then they will probably bundle F3 too. I thought the sound in F2 was great but all other features in F2 couldn't hold my attention. Anyway I hope I'm wrong and F3 turns out to be a great game, but until I rent it I'm still very skeptical, especially with this new gen.seankane

They aren't 'rushing' the game. They just didn't want to add features that they couldn't do RIGHT. They've been developing this game for the past two and a half years, and I think I've already outlined how the content they've put in could have filled up that time.

And I'm not sure what you're not getting about the second disc. They've been spending their time adding content the whole time, and there wasn't any time left for rain/night/whatever else. They can only do so much with what they have, and I think overall, they've pretty much exceeded expectations in almost every area. I've yet to play a perfect game, so until then, I think we have to realize that ALL games are full of compromises of some kind, and we cant have absolutely everything we want.

As for them 'bundling' Forza 3 - first off, Forza 2 wasn't bundled cuz it sucked. That it 'sucked' is just your opinion. It was, in fact, a highly rated, high selling game on its own. It was bundled because it was a collaboration between Microsoft and Turn 10(who are, of course, owned by Microsoft). Besides, being bundled with a system doesn't make it bad. There's been lots of great games that were bundled with systems in the past.

Nothing wrong with being skeptical. But when people start being cynical just to justify their skepticism, it becomes more about stubborness than anything.

As a side note, you don't see Infinity Ward trying to rush their release trying to beat ODST to be first on the block do you, since that seems to be the theme here with GT5 and all, just sayin'

yes. Forza 3 will be the greatest racing game of all time. Sorry GT, your time in the spotlight has long passed since Forza 2. There is a new king in the house.

I think the only people who say Froza 2 sucked, or had a lot of flaws are people who do not enjoy racing simulators. If you want arcade racing games, go play Grid, PGR, and NFS instead. Forza 2 was by far the best racing sim out there up to its point. If you dont like the realism of a simulator, then dont play it. Just because you dont like the style, or suck at it, does not make the game a crappy game.

As a side note, you don't see Infinity Ward trying to rush their release trying to beat ODST to be first on the block do you, since that seems to be the theme here with GT5 and all, just sayin'

InjuredNoodle

As a side note, you don't see Infinity Ward trying to rush their release trying to beat ODST to be first on the block do you, since that seems to be the theme here with GT5 and all, just sayin'

InjuredNoodle

You dont know how much Infinity Ward has 'rushed' to even get the game out for its early November release. There's an article on Gamespot that shows they're still working on the game as we speak, even though they're getting pretty close to the time they need to send it in for certification. All I'm saying is that I DO know that Turn 10 was told to MAKE their deadline. And like I said, they worked hard, but nothing was 'rushed'. They weren't cutting corners here and there, sacrificing quality anywhere.

I just dont think you understand how game development works, since the mere mention of 'time restraint' seems to make you think the game is gonna suck for some reason. Forza 3 will still be an incredibly good game.

Also, Infinity Ward has a very good basis to work from. They are still working on the same engine that they developed 3 or 4 years ago, while Forza 3 was pretty much built from the ground up and features MUCH more content.

Fault Turn 10 all you want, but there's no real good justification for it. I think any reasonable person would look at what Forza 3 has to offer and be damn impressed. I really didn't expect anything close to what they've done. I thought maybe they would have put a few more tracks in, added a couple little features to help the online racing and auction house, and added some cars that have been released in the meantime. What they've accomplished in terms of improvements over their last game is almost unprecedented(considering Forza 2 was on the same console as Forza 3 will be). Just the graphics alone are a major accomplishment, considering the amount of cars and tracks, and the fact that they still have everything running at a blazing 60fps.

I truly expect it to be one of the highest rated games of 2009.Just watch. ;)

As a quick addition to mine, I don't think Turn 10 does either, Forza 3 looks great and I'll be getting it, but that's just kind of an explanation as to why they would be trying to beat out GT5. Microsoft's hand in it, rather than the developer.CNUrGames

Yea, its definitely Microsoft, Turn 10 have said as much. With the delays of Forza 1 and 2, they've even openly come out and said that jobs were on the line this time around. They said they weren't too worried at all, though, because of how good they know Forza 3 will be. The major compromise they had to make for the time restraint was making a choice fairly early on, on what features they wouldn't be able to do, so they wouldn't be scrambling at the end to try and squeeze anything in, resulting in a feature that might not be as high a quality as they liked.

[QUOTE="CNUrGames"]As a quick addition to mine, I don't think Turn 10 does either, Forza 3 looks great and I'll be getting it, but that's just kind of an explanation as to why they would be trying to beat out GT5. Microsoft's hand in it, rather than the developer.seankane

Yea, its definitely Microsoft, Turn 10 have said as much. With the delays of Forza 1 and 2, they've even openly come out and said that jobs were on the line this time around. They said they weren't too worried at all, though, because of how good they know Forza 3 will be.

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[QUOTE="CNUrGames"]As a quick addition to mine, I don't think Turn 10 does either, Forza 3 looks great and I'll be getting it, but that's just kind of an explanation as to why they would be trying to beat out GT5. Microsoft's hand in it, rather than the developer.CNUrGames

Yea, its definitely Microsoft, Turn 10 have said as much. With the delays of Forza 1 and 2, they've even openly come out and said that jobs were on the line this time around. They said they weren't too worried at all, though, because of how good they know Forza 3 will be.

Nope. I'm just activein the Forza community, and Turn 10 are probably thebest development studioI've ever seen in terms of communicating and listening to their fans. They have community managers who regularly post on the forums and let us know whats going on, almost on a daily basis.

There's a reason that the whole 'community' aspect of Forza is hyped as it is. They truly do a stellar job in this area.

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Yea, its definitely Microsoft, Turn 10 have said as much. With the delays of Forza 1 and 2, they've even openly come out and said that jobs were on the line this time around. They said they weren't too worried at all, though, because of how good they know Forza 3 will be.

seankane

Nope. I'm just activein the Forza community, and Turn 10 are probably thebest development studioI've ever seen in terms of communicating and listening to their fans. They have community managers who regularly post on the forums and let us know whats going on, almost on a daily basis.

There's a reason that the whole 'community' aspect of Forza is hyped as it is. They truly do a stellar job in this area.

A trait that other developers should adopt. We need more developers that care more about pleasing the gamer than making mad stacks of cash.

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Yea, its definitely Microsoft, Turn 10 have said as much. With the delays of Forza 1 and 2, they've even openly come out and said that jobs were on the line this time around. They said they weren't too worried at all, though, because of how good they know Forza 3 will be.

Nope. I'm just activein the Forza community, and Turn 10 are probably thebest development studioI've ever seen in terms of communicating and listening to their fans. They have community managers who regularly post on the forums and let us know whats going on, almost on a daily basis.

There's a reason that the whole 'community' aspect of Forza is hyped as it is. They truly do a stellar job in this area.

I'll definately pick it up, maybe not right away. I enjoyed Forza 2, even if it took me forever, and this one is supposed to have even more races...FauxBetrael

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Yea, its definitely Microsoft, Turn 10 have said as much. With the delays of Forza 1 and 2, they've even openly come out and said that jobs were on the line this time around. They said they weren't too worried at all, though, because of how good they know Forza 3 will be.

seankane

Nope. I'm just activein the Forza community, and Turn 10 are probably thebest development studioI've ever seen in terms of communicating and listening to their fans. They have community managers who regularly post on the forums and let us know whats going on, almost on a daily basis.

There's a reason that the whole 'community' aspect of Forza is hyped as it is. They truly do a stellar job in this area.

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As a side note, you don't see Infinity Ward trying to rush their release trying to beat ODST to be first on the block do you, since that seems to be the theme here with GT5 and all, just sayin'

seankane

You dont know how much Infinity Ward has 'rushed' to even get the game out for its early November release. There's an article on Gamespot that shows they're still working on the game as we speak, even though they're getting pretty close to the time they need to send it in for certification. All I'm saying is that I DO know that Turn 10 was told to MAKE their deadline. And like I said, they worked hard, but nothing was 'rushed'. They weren't cutting corners here and there, sacrificing quality anywhere.

I just dont think you understand how game development works, since the mere mention of 'time restraint' seems to make you think the game is gonna suck for some reason. Forza 3 will still be an incredibly good game.

Also, Infinity Ward has a very good basis to work from. They are still working on the same engine that they developed 3 or 4 years ago, while Forza 3 was pretty much built from the ground up and features MUCH more content.

Fault Turn 10 all you want, but there's no real good justification for it. I think any reasonable person would look at what Forza 3 has to offer and be damn impressed. I really didn't expect anything close to what they've done. I thought maybe they would have put a few more tracks in, added a couple little features to help the online racing and auction house, and added some cars that have been released in the meantime. What they've accomplished in terms of improvements over their last game is almost unprecedented(considering Forza 2 was on the same console as Forza 3 will be). Just the graphics alone are a major accomplishment, considering the amount of cars and tracks, and the fact that they still have everything running at a blazing 60fps.

I truly expect it to be one of the highest rated games of 2009.Just watch. ;)

Hey sean saw you on the Forza 3 forums and i completely agree, Turn 10 actually listen to the fans, like how they fixed the postion of the driver in the cockpit.Racer850

I think the craziest example of them listening to the fans is back with Forza 2, when they getting ready to release the Motegi track pack as DLC. They told us it was going to be 800 points(cuz it was 4 tracks in the track pack), but after so many people complained about it, they actually lowered the price down to 400.

I mean, really, can you think of any developer that would actually lower the price of their DLC at the request of the fans?

[QUOTE="Racer850"] Hey sean saw you on the Forza 3 forums and i completely agree, Turn 10 actually listen to the fans, like how they fixed the postion of the driver in the cockpit.seankane

I think the craziest example of them listening to the fans is back with Forza 2, when they getting ready to release the Motegi track pack as DLC. They told us it was going to be 800 points(cuz it was 4 tracks in the track pack), but after so many people complained about it, they actually lowered the price down to 400.

I mean, really, can you think of any developer that would actually lower the price of their DLC at the request of the fans?

It's impressive. I just hope this Microsoft forcing their hand on their release and their time table doesn't affect them in the way of DLC and added content later. I could see that becoming a problem. Have they always been owned by Microsoft or was this a recent aquisition.CNUrGames

Yea, they were a first-party developer for Microsoft from the beginning, created entirely to make the Forza franchise and make it a competitior to Sony's Gran Turismo.

I think Microsoft are worried primarily about the release date, and then after that, Turn 10 will have some more freedom in terms of releasing DLC on their own time table. Thats just a guess, though, I dont know for sure.

As for DLC, well, Disc 2 of the game is nothing but 100 cars and a bunch of tracks. Turn 10 have said that its pretty much just a year's worth of DLC on its own, as its optional and has to be installed to your hard drive to use the content in it.

But Turn 10 have said that they want to keep up with more regular DLC than they did with Forza 2. They're pretty much confident that their product will be a hit, which will get them the security to work hard on keeping regular content updates for the game for about another year. They've said their goal is a car pack each month, but that sounds a little ambitious, if you ask me.

The game looks amazing but since upgradeing from PS2 to 360 I have not really been into racing games. If I do get it it would be later down the road as a used $30-$20 game.