BF3 - How do you feel about this?

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#1 HilbillyRokstar
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There is a report in Eurogamer that "A sequence in Battlefield 3 asks you to shoot police officers in order to finish a mission", according to the ESRB report. How do you feel about realistic shooters putting players in a position to have to make poor moral decisions? Is it wrong? Can it affect certain people more than others? What are your opinions on this subject? . . . . .LINK to article . . .

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-07-battlefield-3-asks-you-to-shoot-police

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#3 HilbillyRokstar
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It makes me feel like I should go buy a gun and shoot a police officer... Mortal Kombat has the same affect on me.Warablo13
Alllllrighty then.
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#4 HilbillyRokstar
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Personally, I only feel like this is an issue with younger kids. I don't see it being much of an issue for anybody over age, I don't know, 10 maybe? I don't see why they make such a big deal about it for anybody 13 or over.
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#5 firefox59
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Not a big deal, at least for the fact that COD already did this. If you're one of the people that unloaded on hundreds of innocent people in an airport like I did and haven't gone serial murderer yet,then you'll be fine.

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#6 HilbillyRokstar
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Not a big deal, at least for the fact that COD already did this. If you're one of the people that unloaded on hundreds of innocent people in an airport like I did and haven't gone serial murderer yet,then you'll be fine.

firefox59

I assume by the quality of your posts you were 10 or over when that happened. Am I right? Do you feel like it's ok for a 5-8 yr old kid? I don't. My son could've played it past about age 8 or 9. At age 10 we played a game called "Thrill Kill" that wasn't even released due to graphic violence back in the PS1 days. It's pretty tame by today's standards LOL. LINK . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrill_Kill

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#7 N7v1K0
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Don't find any problem with that, other games sometimes let you do worse...

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#8 neogeta8
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The game is going to be coming with an 18 cetificate (here in the UK) and that is for a good reason, one being to allow for content like this.

When I play games that have 'questionable moral content' I tend to play it through a couple of times so I can be a 'goodie' and a 'baddie' (goodie= not killing the 'good guys' or shooting them in the leg/arm etc. Baddie= shoot anything that moves) if the game allows you to choose if you 'need' to kill the people in question.


If that choice isn't available I have no second thought about PLAYING THROUGH THE GAME as laid out in front of me. After all I am a sane (some might question that) adult who is able to tell the difference between reality and fiction.

If after buying your young teenage child the game you are 'shocked' by the content. Look at the box and take a little interest in what your child is asking you to buy for them. You wouldn't buy an 18 movie for them so what makes it ok to buy them an 18 rated game?

As for adults that are 'offended' by such content or worried about how it will affect 'society', it was touched upon in an earlier post. Games allow me to do things I wouldn't dream of doing in real life and experience things in a safe, fun, disposable way.


Just because I've mowed down a squad of police with an M16 doesn't mean I have anymore intention of trying to live out that than I have ripping my face off and breathing fire onto someone I've just kicked the crap out of after playing Mortal Combat.

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#9 HilbillyRokstar
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The game is going to be coming with an 18 cetificate (here in the UK) and that is for a good reason, one being to allow for content like this.

When I play games that have 'questionable moral content' I tend to play it through a couple of times so I can be a 'goodie' and a 'baddie' (goodie= not killing the 'good guys' or shooting them in the leg/arm etc. Baddie= shoot anything that moves) if the game allows you to choose if you 'need' to kill the people in question.


If that choice isn't available I have no second thought about PLAYING THROUGH THE GAME as laid out in front of me. After all I am a sane (some might question that) adult who is able to tell the difference between reality and fiction.

If after buying your young teenage child the game you are 'shocked' by the content. Look at the box and take a little interest in what your child is asking you to buy for them. You wouldn't buy an 18 movie for them so what makes it ok to buy them an 18 rated game?

As for adults that are 'offended' by such content or worried about how it will affect 'society', it was touched upon in an earlier post. Games allow me to do things I wouldn't dream of doing in real life and experience things in a safe, fun, disposable way.


Just because I've mowed down a squad of police with an M16 doesn't mean I have anymore intention of trying to live out that than I have ripping my face off and breathing fire onto someone I've just kicked the crap out of after playing Mortal Combat.

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Well said.

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#10 firefox59
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[QUOTE="HilbillyRokstar"]

[QUOTE="firefox59"]

Not a big deal, at least for the fact that COD already did this. If you're one of the people that unloaded on hundreds of innocent people in an airport like I did and haven't gone serial murderer yet,then you'll be fine.

I assume by the quality of your posts you were 10 or over when that happened. Am I right? Do you feel like it's ok for a 5-8 yr old kid? I don't. My son could've played it past about age 8 or 9. At age 10 we played a game called "Thrill Kill" that wasn't even released due to graphic violence back in the PS1 days. It's pretty tame by today's standards LOL. LINK . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrill_Kill

Well no, of course not, but it's not like a kid that age could play it unless their parent buys it for them anyways. The game is rated M. I'm a big supporter of putting the onus on the parent, if you buy your 7 year old an M rated game about war then hopefully the child doesn't have anger problems. I've been reading all these articles coming out lately that are proving it isn't the video game that corrupts the child but an innate anger or temper that the game brings out through violent situations. I mean I played violent games when I was a kid. I played Goldeneye when I 8 or 9, but the graphics and realism back then were nothing and you weren't shooting civilians or cops. I even played the original Wolfenstein when I was 5 and had a blast with it. You just have to know what your kid can handle.
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#11 Sepewrath
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I don't see a problem with it, video games are a storytelling medium, no different than movies. You put an actor in a costume and tell them to kill women and children, yet no one is worried about the moral implications or potential fallout of that. If the story task the player with doing something that is socially considered wrong, then that's just what the story does. Of course there are things a game wouldn't touch with a 60ft pole, but this is a particularly tame one, how many cops did Keith Ledger kill as the Joker in TDK? On top of that, games have ratings, the same way when the actor leaves the set they are suppose to know to leave the bloodthirsty killer in wardrobe, the adult player is suppose to know to leave the turtle stomping, sidewalk driving, police killing inside the TV screen.
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#12 Vari3ty
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Is this supposed to be a problem? I think shooting police officers is actually rather tame for a game. I mean, in comparison to MW2's "No Russian" mission, this is nothing.

The game does have a mature rating. Also absolutely no context is provided as to why police officers are being shot, so given the situation, the police could be corrupt, or perhaps they're the ones who attack the player first. In any case, it's hard to be upset about it.

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#14 MathMattS
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A similar situation happens in MW2, on the "No Russian" mission. Even though you don't have to kill civilians, I think you DO have to kill Russian security forces to proceed through the level (unless you manage to run past all of them or are using a cheat, I suppose).

Of course, the game is rated M, which means nobody under 17 has business playing it.

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#15 DylanTheVillyn
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Considering that this is a Rated M game anyone who is playing it shouldn't be affected by these things, if you are then you are either too young or too unstable to be playing violent games like BF3, taking into consideration how realistic it is.
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#16 Nick-42
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Well, on the way home this morning from work I lookled at the car in front of me and thought, "Hey, if I just use the side of their car I could easily pass them in this curve coming up".

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#17 DylanTheVillyn
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Well, on the way home this morning from work I lookled at the car in front of me and thought, "Hey, if I just use the side of their car I could easily pass them in this curve coming up".

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lol
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#18 adders99
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i dont get it.. i mean so the police officers are the enemy.. then there is no problem... if they are shooting at you then you can shoot back...

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#19 i-rock-socks
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i dont care if it depicts the most vile acts being preformed on the most innocent of cuddly animals

its a game, keep it out of the hands of everyone that thinks otherwise

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#20 Gen007
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so yeah theres no problem at all then. Video games really do get raw deal its just a game. Its not like cops are really dying and far worse has happened in movies but no one says anything then.

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#21 Ghost_702
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How exactly are you making poor moral decisions in that scene? You don't know the full circumstances. Maybe the police are corrupt and killing innocent people. You shouldn't assume that just because you shoot someone in the game that you typically wouldn't in real life that it's a poor moral decision.
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#22 JusticeFromSeed
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These games are rated M for Mature for a reason. It's a parenting issue if the child is exposed to these forms of media on a regular basis. It's going to happen at some point, yeah, but it's a parent's job to teach them morals and to understand the situations presented in those media.

I am fully in support of games, movies, and music being able to present their content as they please, so long as they are limited to audiences mature enough to comprehend it fully. If a video game wants to be realistic and present a diffucult moral dilemma, then I am fully in support of that. I do NOT want children playing this game, however. Many will, yes. Many will play them without parental knowledge. That is their choice and if it gives them problems later in life that is the punishment for their disobedience and lack of maturity. Those that play them with parental knowledge are the ones that bother me. I have no respect for those parents that allow their children to play games that they are not mature enough to fully comprehend.

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#23 Patrickbrown56
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Games have ratings and age restrictions for a reason. Can only hope that the parents that choose to purchase these games for their children actually take things like this into account, and consider whether it's smart to expose them to things like this. 9 times out of 10, it's probably not ok for a child, and 10 times out of 10 I'd bet that no parents that buy the games take these things into account. They'd rather just make them happy.

On the other hand, I'm 24 and it doesn't bother me. It's just a game, and I won't try to emulate parts of it, or be effected by it. GTA and Saints make you do way worse things.

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#24 LustForSoul
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You are going to kill thousands of people throughout the whole game, virtually I should add. One single police officer will not matter. It's a game, nobody cares. If they can make movies like that, games shouldn't be any different.
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#25 Thuganomic05
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Who is to say that it's a "poor moral decision"? I can't tell you whether it's wrong or not, I haven't played the game. Of course it can affect some more than others. I'm old enough to buy the game, that's all that matters.
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#26 Funconsole
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Considering it's rated M, I don't think anyone will have problems with it. MW2 did this, but to a greater extent with civilians, but shooting cops isn't that bad by video game standards. Yes it's not right morally, but taking into account the other stuff we find in video games, it's not very controversial. Besides, if you have psycophatic tendencies, 1) You shouldn't be playing games 2) If you try and kill a cop, you're either gonna have 100 bullets through your body (in a perfect world) or tasered and put into a psyc. evaluation