Death of the single player campaign....???

I think that if you don't have a lot of games, or can't afford a lot of games, then multiplayer becomes more important. CrazyWerewolf

An epic single player campaign will always be better than multiplayer.ethanpaige

Most def, multiplayer is just to breath life back into the game after the single player mode is completed.

An epic single player campaign will always be better than multiplayer.ethanpaige

Preach it!

I don't even have Xbox live because i don't like online play. Single player all the way.

Do I win a medal for being quoted most times in one thread?ethanpaige

No because you're only a fanatic. You have to be higher than that to recieve medals. Even outside our board.

An epic single player campaign will always be better than multiplayer.ethanpaige

I am 100% with this.

[QUOTE="ethanpaige"]Do I win a medal for being quoted most times in one thread?dukebd699

No because you're only a fanatic. You have to be higher than that to recieve medals. Even outside our board.

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[QUOTE="ethanpaige"]Do I win a medal for being quoted most times in one thread?ethanpaige

No because you're only a fanatic. You have to be higher than that to recieve medals. Even outside our board.

Which I'll get to eventually.

For myself there is a great balance for SP and MP games. I mean personally I think games like Army of Two is a game which needs to have either a friend playing on the same machine or via Xbox live, however games like Call of Duty 4 might have a great online mode however I thought that story of MW was pretty solid.

I think developers would need to look at the idea that you can have a great SP mode and work on getting a very very good MP mode for imo a rounded game.

For myself there is a great balance for SP and MP games. I mean personally I think games like Army of Two is a game which needs to have either a friend playing on the same machine or via Xbox live, however games like Call of Duty 4 might have a great online mode however I thought that story of MW was pretty solid.

I think developers would need to look at the idea that you can have a great SP mode and work on getting a very very good MP mode for imo a rounded game.

alstevens83

Halo CE was a prime example of a well rounded game. The SP was phenominal(with the exception of the library) and the MP was the best out of the 3.

hey everyone - great to see all of the responses to my intial thoughts...

:)

yes, your theory is partially correct. Look at Unreal Tournament 3, the "campaign" is basically just a bunch of multiplayer game modes against bots. And I really hope this doesn't become a trend, because I like to do the single player stuff.mohfrontline

That's not new though. UT games have always been exactly that.

theres alot of games coming out that looks like it going to have a great single player

example:fallout 3 and fable 2

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yes, your theory is partially correct. Look at Unreal Tournament 3, the "campaign" is basically just a bunch of multiplayer game modes against bots. And I really hope this doesn't become a trend, because I like to do the single player stuff.

dukebd699

That's not new though. UT games have always been exactly that.

That's not entirely true. Unreal started out as a single-player, which at the time it came out, was the most incredible experience in shooters. The next entry in the series was a mission pack for the first Unreal. Then, we had Unreal Tournament. With Unreal 2 and Unreal Tournament 2003, Epic tried to create two separate games, one for single-player, and one for multiplayer. A host of people playing Unreal 2 whined that it didn't have multiplayer. I always thought this was stupid, since if you want multiplayer, that's what Unreal Tournament's for. Anyway, Unreal 2 didn't sell well, and the franchise has since gone into multiplayer-only territory. Instead of (single-player) Unreal 3, we got Gears of War, which everyone loved.

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[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]

yes, your theory is partially correct. Look at Unreal Tournament 3, the "campaign" is basically just a bunch of multiplayer game modes against bots. And I really hope this doesn't become a trend, because I like to do the single player stuff.

Palantas

That's not new though. UT games have always been exactly that.

That's not entirely true. Unreal started out as a single-player, which at the time it came out, was the most incredible experience in shooters. The next entry in the series was a mission pack for the first Unreal. Then, we had Unreal Tournament. With Unreal 2 and Unreal Tournament 2003, Epic tried to create two separate games, one for single-player, and one for multiplayer. A host of people playing Unreal 2 whined that it didn't have multiplayer. I always thought this was stupid, since if you want multiplayer, that's what Unreal Tournament's for. Anyway, Unreal 2 didn't sell well, and the franchise has since gone into multiplayer-only territory. Instead of (single-player) Unreal 3, we got Gears of War, which everyone loved.

The ones I played were like that at least. I've only played Unreal Tournament and Unreal Tournament 2(Xbox one)

Most single player campaigns suck now. Last single player game I played that was great was GTA IV.twopic58

You don't play alot of SP then. There's been a few games since GTA IV with great SP.

[QUOTE="twopic58"]Most single player campaigns suck now. Last single player game I played that was great was GTA IV.dukebd699

You don't play alot of SP then. There's been a few games since GTA IV with great SP.

Yeah there are way more single player games then GTA 4, for example, Halo 3, Gears of war, Mass effect, GRAW, COD 4 (though it was short it was amazing), The orange box, RSV 2, and way more then GTA 4 which is a great game by the way. Anyway i just want to give you example of those good games for multiplayer and Campaign (especially CO-OP games like Halo 3). That's all that i know.

Gamertag: Xtix123

As long is XBL is not available in all countries, and not everyone can connect to XBL, games with epic single players will still be huge.

If every game is to be online-only, how would people without any online features beable to play hardly any games?...Ashley_wwe

I agree, I think a gameshould have a well balance of both on and offline gaming

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[QUOTE="twopic58"]Most single player campaigns suck now. Last single player game I played that was great was GTA IV.Xtix123

You don't play alot of SP then. There's been a few games since GTA IV with great SP.

Yeah there are way more single player games then GTA 4, for example, Halo 3, Gears of war, Mass effect, GRAW, COD 4 (though it was short it was amazing), The orange box, RSV 2, and way more then GTA 4 which is a great game by the way. Anyway i just want to give you example of those good games for multiplayer and Campaign (especially CO-OP games like Halo 3). That's all that i know.

Gamertag: Xtix123

And notice he said last. None of those games you mentioned game out after GTA IV. Tales of Vesperia, Viva Pinata 2, Soul Calibur IV, Too Human, and Kung Fu Panda(believe it or not) have all had good SP campaigns and Tales of Vesperia's was phenominal.

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[QUOTE="twopic58"]Most single player campaigns suck now. Last single player game I played that was great was GTA IV.dukebd699

You don't play alot of SP then. There's been a few games since GTA IV with great SP.

Yeah there are way more single player games then GTA 4, for example, Halo 3, Gears of war, Mass effect, GRAW, COD 4 (though it was short it was amazing), The orange box, RSV 2, and way more then GTA 4 which is a great game by the way. Anyway i just want to give you example of those good games for multiplayer and Campaign (especially CO-OP games like Halo 3). That's all that i know.

Gamertag: Xtix123

And notice he said last. None of those games you mentioned game out after GTA IV. Tales of Vesperia, Viva Pinata 2, Soul Calibur IV, Too Human, and Kung Fu Panda(believe it or not) have all had good SP campaigns and Tales of Vesperia's was phenominal.

[QUOTE="dukebd699"][QUOTE="Xtix123"][QUOTE="dukebd699"]

[QUOTE="twopic58"]Most single player campaigns suck now. Last single player game I played that was great was GTA IV.ethanpaige

You don't play alot of SP then. There's been a few games since GTA IV with great SP.

Yeah there are way more single player games then GTA 4, for example, Halo 3, Gears of war, Mass effect, GRAW, COD 4 (though it was short it was amazing), The orange box, RSV 2, and way more then GTA 4 which is a great game by the way. Anyway i just want to give you example of those good games for multiplayer and Campaign (especially CO-OP games like Halo 3). That's all that i know.

Gamertag: Xtix123

And notice he said last. None of those games you mentioned game out after GTA IV. Tales of Vesperia, Viva Pinata 2, Soul Calibur IV, Too Human, and Kung Fu Panda(believe it or not) have all had good SP campaigns and Tales of Vesperia's was phenominal.

Bioshock didn't come out after GTA which is why I didn't mention it.

I totally agree with this, the past few years i've been heavily into online gaming. I didn't play more than 3-4 single player games. Now I don't have time to play games for hours on end like I used to, and I find myself appreciating a good single player experience.

An epic single player campaign will always be better than multiplayer.ethanpaige

True.

Its very rarely i can play some multiplayer for a long period of time. Best multiplayer is coop with friends, all that deathmatch, capture the flag or what not is getting very tiresome.

Single player games are better and with a better story and more interesting missions most of the times

I do not want to be forced to share my gaming experience with strangers from the internet and just playing some mindless killing skirmish game ...

I prefer playing solo and enjoy a great game just for myself and not to be interfered with idiots from the internet...

An epic single player campaign will always be better than multiplayer.ethanpaige

Agreed. I haven't read every post in this thread, but it seems like most people love the SP campaign still. That is the only reason I play. I swore off online play awhile ago, because I got sick of the community. Yes, there are guys I love to play with, but it just seemed that so much of the online play wasn't about learning and having fun, but dominating and trash talking. I really really hope that games continue to have epic single player campaigns. It is scary to me when a company like EA comes out and outright says they will be focusing most of their efforts on the multiplayer aspects of games in the future. I hope that never happens. Game companies need to realize that it is the games that have amazing single player campaigns that get voted time and time again for Game of the Year.

I must admit I really struggle when a game is only 4-5 hours long - it seems like it is over before you can really get your teeth into it.....

And also - I simply don't have the time to spend hours upon hours on Xbox Live - I would rather invest that time into a single player campaign that holds me captivated for it's entire story......(I'm thinking of games like Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3, GTA 4 etc etc)

I recently rented out ghost recon 2 and was disappointed to find out that after about 3 hours of game play I was already half way through - excellent game but it will only take another seesion and I'll probably finish it - and then it's value is retained through multiplayer - but I guess that what was the developers were aiming for I suppose....

Thanks for all the responses to my intial thoughts

:)

I must admit I really struggle when a game is only 4-5 hours long - it seems like it is over before you can really get your teeth into it.....

And also - I simply don't have the time to spend hours upon hours on Xbox Live - I would rather invest that time into a single player campaign that holds me captivated for it's entire story......(I'm thinking of games like Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3, GTA 4 etc etc)craigkelleigh

I agree with you there. I spend most of my time playing offline. Having a long single player campaign is very key for me. I really like the games like Mass Effect and KOTOR where you can play the game and get different endings and different outcomes from main quests and side quests. You can have two totally different outcomes and playthroughs. The same applies for Fable as well. These kind of games really keep my interest.

I remember playing only single player games on my PS2, as I didn't have that adapter thing and I had a fat PS2. Those were the days.

It was only like two or three years ago too. :|