Do not complain about data transfers! All those things are yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sick and tired of the winers, so come of it all ready!  Not having the data transfer cable doesn't matter.  The fact that the content you own on another console doesn't matter. 

The fact that you have to be online at someone elses house with your HD is the only problem.  Then again, why would anybody be playing those arcade games anyway, when they have XBOX 360 GAMES that they should be playing!!!!!!!!!!!

Besides, your friends should have the games downloaded anyway!  If your friend has Zuma instead of Geometry Wars/Castlevania/Lumines, then your either not a good friend, or they have issues.:|  Teach them!

The whole point here is that you own your stuff!  You can erase and download your stuff as many times as you want!  If my Xbox were to break, then all I would have to do when I get the new one, is to simply re-download my shows/XBL Arcade games.

I just put the same HD on, and erase my arcade games.  Another example would be to erase the Oblivion Expantion, and then download that sucker again.  Easy as pie.

Arcade games literally take no time to download.

This data transfer stuff only helps basic things, such as game saves, and gamertag.  The complaining is out of control, and needs to come to an end.:) 

Well all that you say....
...is true.
Put them on a rocket and send them to the moon.:lol:

People must learn to enjoy more the thing that they have instead of complain about everything.

Ya becuase its really fun having to restart my 120 hr Obivion game, or any other game for that matter. I have put time and effort into my games, and yes, i will complain if i can't keep them.Going666

Who says you cant keep your game saves? It took me all of five minutes to transfer my gamertag and game saves via a MEMORY CARD.  

Ya becuase its really fun having to restart my 120 hr Obivion game, or any other game for that matter. I have put time and effort into my games, and yes, i will complain if i can't keep them.Going666

Hahaha you dumped 120 hours into Oblivion. 

Microsoft said that they were not going to include a cable. Why whine now?

If you want it so badly, go to gameshops, they are doing it for FREE.

Content has always been tied to your account. Again, why whine now?

Why whine about the Elite. Consoles go through revisions and price drops, why dont you complain about the fact you got your XBOX for $300 yet another kid got it for $100? 

[QUOTE="Going666"]Ya becuase its really fun having to restart my 120 hr Obivion game, or any other game for that matter. I have put time and effort into my games, and yes, i will complain if i can't keep them.jmartinez1983

Hahaha you dumped 120 hours into Oblivion. 

how is that funny? if you play the game it normally plays for that long....

You want to know why everyone is complaining. I'll tell you. We spend our hard earned cash on XBLA , Movies, Shows, And extra content for games. And then we go out and spend alot more of our hard earned money on the 360 Elite. Only to find out that everything we bought is now being limited because of DRM Issues. Being online to use the content isn't to bad for most people. But alot of people can't keep a constant connection for more than 3 hours. And if you are like me your 360 travels with you alot and not everyone has or can access High Speed Internet. But the other thing is no other profile can use your content. My wife has a profile she uses and she likes to play XBLA alot. MS could have easily came up with a solution to these DRM limitations but for some reason chose not to. Just because you don't have a problem with limitations doesn't mean the majority of 360 owner's also don't. So stop whining about other people whining :?blackdragn

If there was an easy solution to DRM everyone would be doing it.  The problem is because of piracy there is no easy solution, people want to get paid for THEIR hard work, just like you do.

[QUOTE="blackdragn"]You want to know why everyone is complaining. I'll tell you. We spend our hard earned cash on XBLA , Movies, Shows, And extra content for games. And then we go out and spend alot more of our hard earned money on the 360 Elite. Only to find out that everything we bought is now being limited because of DRM Issues. Being online to use the content isn't to bad for most people. But alot of people can't keep a constant connection for more than 3 hours. And if you are like me your 360 travels with you alot and not everyone has or can access High Speed Internet. But the other thing is no other profile can use your content. My wife has a profile she uses and she likes to play XBLA alot. MS could have easily came up with a solution to these DRM limitations but for some reason chose not to. Just because you don't have a problem with limitations doesn't mean the majority of 360 owner's also don't. So stop whining about other people whining :?tkemory

If there was an easy solution to DRM everyone would be doing it.  The problem is because of piracy there is no easy solution, people want to get paid for THEIR hard work, just like you do.

The problem isn't piracy, the problem is how MS is handling the prevention of piracy. And their is a simple solution, MS just isn't doing it for some reason. The problem is if someone bought an XBLA game, or any other content with a pricetag, they could copy it to a memorycard and then their friend could copy it and not have to pay. All they need to do is either link the content to your gamer profile and to your HARDDRIVE, not your console. Or they could put a lock that prevents the copying of content all together. As for transfering the content, They could have easily put a program on the disk that comes with the 120GB HD that verifies the content and then writes new liscenses for them. Like I said, there are solutions, MS just doesn't use them. :(

I'm sick and tired of the winers, so come of it all ready! Not having the data transfer cable doesn't matter. The fact that the content you own on another console doesn't matter.

I am guessing that you mean by the above is that it doesn't matter if you have content on another console, so there is no reason to complain. It seems reasonable for gamers to say that it would be annoying to have to switch systems to play different games when it is possible to play all the games you want to on the same system. Also, considering that some people have 1080p capable TVs, they would rather play all of the games they can in 1080p from the Elite rather than 1080i on the premium.

The fact that you have to be online at someone elses house with your HD is the only problem. Then again, why would anybody be playing those arcade games anyway, when they have XBOX 360 GAMES that they should be playing!!!!!!!!!!!

Firstly, if you copy over your XBL games from the console you bought them on to another, you have to be online to play them where ever you are, even at your own house. So if you have an Internet outage or router problems then you can't play. Secondly, are you saying that just because a game is an arcade game that it is not as fun as a boxed game? There is no logic in that at all, you have either not played any fun XBL games or you just have a crazy bias. What exactly is it that makes a game from the arcade inferior to a boxed game SOLELY because it from the arcade?

Besides, your friends should have the games downloaded anyway! If your friend has Zuma instead of Geometry Wars/Castlevania/Lumines, then your either not a good friend, or they have issues.:| Teach them!

Okay, your above statement seriously makes me question if you are being sarcastic or not. Seeing as how this view is too crazy for anyone who doesn't write with their toes because they are locked away in a straight-jacket to hold, I will just accept that you were being sarcastic and move on.

The whole point here is that you own your stuff! You can erase and download your stuff as many times as you want! If my Xbox were to break, then all I would have to do when I get the new one, is to simply re-download my shows/XBL Arcade games.

I just put the same HD on, and erase my arcade games. Another example would be to erase the Oblivion Expantion, and then download that sucker again. Easy as pie.

You are correct that you can erase and download games as many times as you want with the console that you bought them on, but you are limited when you switch consoles. Lets say that you buy Geo Wars on your current console and download it. Then you erase it, you can then download it again for free to your current console. Now lets say your console breaks and you get a replacement console. You load your profile and download Geo Wars again. Now, you can only play full Geo Wars while online, when offline you only have the demo. This is because XBL content (games, game content, movies, TV shows, anything that you pay for) is tied to the console you bought it on as well as your gamertag. The console you bought it on will allow you to access them online or off, your gamertag will only let you access them online.

Arcade games literally take no time to download.

Literally: [-adverb] actually; without exaggeration or inaccuracy

This data transfer stuff only helps basic things, such as game saves, and gamertag. The complaining is out of control, and needs to come to an end.:)

You, again, are correct that it will only help with game saves and gamertag because you can re-download everything, but the difference is that you are still screwed when re-downloading everything. I do have to say, MS should have just included the kit with the Elite or special distribution at retail stores rather than making people jump through hoops for it.

Spartanx23

[QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="blackdragn"]You want to know why everyone is complaining. I'll tell you. We spend our hard earned cash on XBLA , Movies, Shows, And extra content for games. And then we go out and spend alot more of our hard earned money on the 360 Elite. Only to find out that everything we bought is now being limited because of DRM Issues. Being online to use the content isn't to bad for most people. But alot of people can't keep a constant connection for more than 3 hours. And if you are like me your 360 travels with you alot and not everyone has or can access High Speed Internet. But the other thing is no other profile can use your content. My wife has a profile she uses and she likes to play XBLA alot. MS could have easily came up with a solution to these DRM limitations but for some reason chose not to. Just because you don't have a problem with limitations doesn't mean the majority of 360 owner's also don't. So stop whining about other people whining :?blackdragn

If there was an easy solution to DRM everyone would be doing it.  The problem is because of piracy there is no easy solution, people want to get paid for THEIR hard work, just like you do.

The problem isn't piracy, the problem is how MS is handling the prevention of piracy. And their is a simple solution, MS just isn't doing it for some reason. The problem is if someone bought an XBLA game, or any other content with a pricetag, they could copy it to a memorycard and then their friend could copy it and not have to pay. All they need to do is either link the content to your gamer profile and to your HARDDRIVE, not your console. Or they could put a lock that prevents the copying of content all together. As for transfering the content, They could have easily put a program on the disk that comes with the 120GB HD that verifies the content and then writes new liscenses for them. Like I said, there are solutions, MS just doesn't use them. :(

Uh WRONG, the problem is piracy if it didnt exist DRM wouldnt be needed, people are to prone to giving stuff away.  Since you have all the answers you should contact Microsoft Im sure they will give you a job.  I noticed your used the phrase "somehow" in your solution, guess you know the what just not the how and perhaps that is what they were faced with.

Thinks that look simple arent what they seem.

There actually is a solution, but M$ just isn't doing it. The DL content is keyed to your Gamertag and console serial number. When my first X360 was replaced by M$, all the content I had already downloaded was re-keyed to my new X360 by M$ enabling me to play it on my new console on or offline.

Here's the solution but M$ isn't doing this. If you actually register your new X360 Elite through M$, they can verify that you have infact purchased a new unit, and re-key your downloaded content to the unit. Then the content would only be accessible offline to the X360 that is registered.

M$ is not doing this. I spoke in great length this morning with customer service, and not just a regular rep, but a supervisor. They are aware that content can be re-keyed but are not doing it.  They are also not refunding points for anything that you have already purchased. Nor is there any fix for this right now or in the foreseeable future. I got the standard company line "Sir, i understand your frustration but there is nothing we can do right now. We have noticed a large increase in calls because of this very problem. The only thing I can do is forward this information and hopefully M$ will do something about it in the future."

[QUOTE="blackdragn"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="blackdragn"]You want to know why everyone is complaining. I'll tell you. We spend our hard earned cash on XBLA , Movies, Shows, And extra content for games. And then we go out and spend alot more of our hard earned money on the 360 Elite. Only to find out that everything we bought is now being limited because of DRM Issues. Being online to use the content isn't to bad for most people. But alot of people can't keep a constant connection for more than 3 hours. And if you are like me your 360 travels with you alot and not everyone has or can access High Speed Internet. But the other thing is no other profile can use your content. My wife has a profile she uses and she likes to play XBLA alot. MS could have easily came up with a solution to these DRM limitations but for some reason chose not to. Just because you don't have a problem with limitations doesn't mean the majority of 360 owner's also don't. So stop whining about other people whining :?tkemory

If there was an easy solution to DRM everyone would be doing it. The problem is because of piracy there is no easy solution, people want to get paid for THEIR hard work, just like you do.

The problem isn't piracy, the problem is how MS is handling the prevention of piracy. And their is a simple solution, MS just isn't doing it for some reason. The problem is if someone bought an XBLA game, or any other content with a pricetag, they could copy it to a memorycard and then their friend could copy it and not have to pay. All they need to do is either link the content to your gamer profile and to your HARDDRIVE, not your console. Or they could put a lock that prevents the copying of content all together. As for transfering the content, They could have easily put a program on the disk that comes with the 120GB HD that verifies the content and then writes new liscenses for them. Like I said, there are solutions, MS just doesn't use them. :(

Uh WRONG, the problem is piracy if it didnt exist DRM wouldnt be needed, people are to prone to giving stuff away. Since you have all the answers you should contact Microsoft Im sure they will give you a job. I noticed your used the phrase "somehow" in your solution, guess you know the what just not the how and perhaps that is what they were faced with.

Thinks that look simple arent what they seem.

True, but why do people who are honest and pay for all their content suffer the hardships? That is simply not fair. There are better solutions for this. For example, after someone transfers their content to the new drive they could call Xbox support, verify their identity and whatnot then support could do some kind of reactivation so that they can have full access to all the content even offline. Sort of like how Windows activation works, you can reinstall windows on another PC but you just need to re-activate and what this does is associates your windows with the new hardware in the PC, could be done the same way for 360. MS just takes the cheapeast solution that's the problem. 

[QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="blackdragn"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="blackdragn"]You want to know why everyone is complaining. I'll tell you. We spend our hard earned cash on XBLA , Movies, Shows, And extra content for games. And then we go out and spend alot more of our hard earned money on the 360 Elite. Only to find out that everything we bought is now being limited because of DRM Issues. Being online to use the content isn't to bad for most people. But alot of people can't keep a constant connection for more than 3 hours. And if you are like me your 360 travels with you alot and not everyone has or can access High Speed Internet. But the other thing is no other profile can use your content. My wife has a profile she uses and she likes to play XBLA alot. MS could have easily came up with a solution to these DRM limitations but for some reason chose not to. Just because you don't have a problem with limitations doesn't mean the majority of 360 owner's also don't. So stop whining about other people whining :?CaptainCrazy

If there was an easy solution to DRM everyone would be doing it. The problem is because of piracy there is no easy solution, people want to get paid for THEIR hard work, just like you do.

The problem isn't piracy, the problem is how MS is handling the prevention of piracy. And their is a simple solution, MS just isn't doing it for some reason. The problem is if someone bought an XBLA game, or any other content with a pricetag, they could copy it to a memorycard and then their friend could copy it and not have to pay. All they need to do is either link the content to your gamer profile and to your HARDDRIVE, not your console. Or they could put a lock that prevents the copying of content all together. As for transfering the content, They could have easily put a program on the disk that comes with the 120GB HD that verifies the content and then writes new liscenses for them. Like I said, there are solutions, MS just doesn't use them. :(

Uh WRONG, the problem is piracy if it didnt exist DRM wouldnt be needed, people are to prone to giving stuff away. Since you have all the answers you should contact Microsoft Im sure they will give you a job. I noticed your used the phrase "somehow" in your solution, guess you know the what just not the how and perhaps that is what they were faced with.

Thinks that look simple arent what they seem.

True, but why do people who are honest and pay for all their content suffer the hardships? That is simply not fair. There are better solutions for this. For example, after someone transfers their content to the new drive they could call Xbox support, verify their identity and whatnot then support could do some kind of reactivation so that they can have full access to all the content even offline. Sort of like how Windows activation works, you can reinstall windows on another PC but you just need to re-activate and what this does is associates your windows with the new hardware in the PC, could be done the same way for 360. MS just takes the cheapeast solution that's the problem. 

Very good point Captain Crazy. Good idea about the activation. This just goes to show that there are many solutions to the DRM problem that MS could look into, but they simply don't. And TKemory, you are, how did you put it...."Uh Wrong". Piracy has been an issue for years. The reason why people are complaining is not because of Piracy, but because of the solution MS uses to prevent Piracy. If they change their method then they solve the problem. Therefore Piracy isn't the problem in this situation. And I never used the word "Somehow" Your argument can't be taking seriously when you can't get simple facts right.

 

[QUOTE="Going666"]Ya becuase its really fun having to restart my 120 hr Obivion game, or any other game for that matter. I have put time and effort into my games, and yes, i will complain if i can't keep them.Videodogg

Who says you cant keep your game saves? It took me all of five minutes to transfer my gamertag and game saves via a MEMORY CARD.

Oh you can move your gamesaves, but it gave me a warning that if my saves were copied or moved I could no longer earn achievements from them.  Since the Shivering Isles added achievements to Oblivion, I now have achievements left to earn in every game I own.  So, in order to get them, I have to start all over again in every game.

 It's not THAT bad, I like the challenge it presents: "re-do everything you've done in the past year as soon as possible".  But others might not like that too much, particularly in a game like Oblivion.

Microsoft said that they were not going to include a cable. Why whine now?

If you want it so badly, go to gameshops, they are doing it for FREE.

Content has always been tied to your account. Again, why whine now?

Why whine about the Elite. Consoles go through revisions and price drops, why dont you complain about the fact you got your XBOX for $300 yet another kid got it for $100?

Oemenia

What game shops are doing it for free?  I haven't found any in my area. 

Firstly, I'm not complaining... and if you don't want to hear complaining, the internet is not where you need to be. All people DO here is complain.

Secondly, everybody knows that -- pound for pound -- Larry Bird was better than Michael Jordan. 

[QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"][QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="blackdragn"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="blackdragn"]You want to know why everyone is complaining. I'll tell you. We spend our hard earned cash on XBLA , Movies, Shows, And extra content for games. And then we go out and spend alot more of our hard earned money on the 360 Elite. Only to find out that everything we bought is now being limited because of DRM Issues. Being online to use the content isn't to bad for most people. But alot of people can't keep a constant connection for more than 3 hours. And if you are like me your 360 travels with you alot and not everyone has or can access High Speed Internet. But the other thing is no other profile can use your content. My wife has a profile she uses and she likes to play XBLA alot. MS could have easily came up with a solution to these DRM limitations but for some reason chose not to. Just because you don't have a problem with limitations doesn't mean the majority of 360 owner's also don't. So stop whining about other people whining :?blackdragn

If there was an easy solution to DRM everyone would be doing it. The problem is because of piracy there is no easy solution, people want to get paid for THEIR hard work, just like you do.

The problem isn't piracy, the problem is how MS is handling the prevention of piracy. And their is a simple solution, MS just isn't doing it for some reason. The problem is if someone bought an XBLA game, or any other content with a pricetag, they could copy it to a memorycard and then their friend could copy it and not have to pay. All they need to do is either link the content to your gamer profile and to your HARDDRIVE, not your console. Or they could put a lock that prevents the copying of content all together. As for transfering the content, They could have easily put a program on the disk that comes with the 120GB HD that verifies the content and then writes new liscenses for them. Like I said, there are solutions, MS just doesn't use them. :(

Uh WRONG, the problem is piracy if it didnt exist DRM wouldnt be needed, people are to prone to giving stuff away. Since you have all the answers you should contact Microsoft Im sure they will give you a job. I noticed your used the phrase "somehow" in your solution, guess you know the what just not the how and perhaps that is what they were faced with.

Thinks that look simple arent what they seem.

True, but why do people who are honest and pay for all their content suffer the hardships? That is simply not fair. There are better solutions for this. For example, after someone transfers their content to the new drive they could call Xbox support, verify their identity and whatnot then support could do some kind of reactivation so that they can have full access to all the content even offline. Sort of like how Windows activation works, you can reinstall windows on another PC but you just need to re-activate and what this does is associates your windows with the new hardware in the PC, could be done the same way for 360. MS just takes the cheapeast solution that's the problem. 

Very good point Captain Crazy. Good idea about the activation. This just goes to show that there are many solutions to the DRM problem that MS could look into, but they simply don't. And TKemory, you are, how did you put it...."Uh Wrong". Piracy has been an issue for years. The reason why people are complaining is not because of Piracy, but because of the solution MS uses to prevent Piracy. If they change their method then they solve the problem. Therefore Piracy isn't the problem in this situation. And I never used the word "Somehow" Your argument can't be taking seriously when you can't get simple facts right.

Heh, you proved me right in your own post, if piracy didnt exist no DRM, no DRM no transfer issues...

[QUOTE="blackdragn"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"][QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="blackdragn"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="blackdragn"]You want to know why everyone is complaining. I'll tell you. We spend our hard earned cash on XBLA , Movies, Shows, And extra content for games. And then we go out and spend alot more of our hard earned money on the 360 Elite. Only to find out that everything we bought is now being limited because of DRM Issues. Being online to use the content isn't to bad for most people. But alot of people can't keep a constant connection for more than 3 hours. And if you are like me your 360 travels with you alot and not everyone has or can access High Speed Internet. But the other thing is no other profile can use your content. My wife has a profile she uses and she likes to play XBLA alot. MS could have easily came up with a solution to these DRM limitations but for some reason chose not to. Just because you don't have a problem with limitations doesn't mean the majority of 360 owner's also don't. So stop whining about other people whining :?tkemory

If there was an easy solution to DRM everyone would be doing it. The problem is because of piracy there is no easy solution, people want to get paid for THEIR hard work, just like you do.

The problem isn't piracy, the problem is how MS is handling the prevention of piracy. And their is a simple solution, MS just isn't doing it for some reason. The problem is if someone bought an XBLA game, or any other content with a pricetag, they could copy it to a memorycard and then their friend could copy it and not have to pay. All they need to do is either link the content to your gamer profile and to your HARDDRIVE, not your console. Or they could put a lock that prevents the copying of content all together. As for transfering the content, They could have easily put a program on the disk that comes with the 120GB HD that verifies the content and then writes new liscenses for them. Like I said, there are solutions, MS just doesn't use them. :(

Uh WRONG, the problem is piracy if it didnt exist DRM wouldnt be needed, people are to prone to giving stuff away. Since you have all the answers you should contact Microsoft Im sure they will give you a job. I noticed your used the phrase "somehow" in your solution, guess you know the what just not the how and perhaps that is what they were faced with.

Thinks that look simple arent what they seem.

True, but why do people who are honest and pay for all their content suffer the hardships? That is simply not fair. There are better solutions for this. For example, after someone transfers their content to the new drive they could call Xbox support, verify their identity and whatnot then support could do some kind of reactivation so that they can have full access to all the content even offline. Sort of like how Windows activation works, you can reinstall windows on another PC but you just need to re-activate and what this does is associates your windows with the new hardware in the PC, could be done the same way for 360. MS just takes the cheapeast solution that's the problem. 

Very good point Captain Crazy. Good idea about the activation. This just goes to show that there are many solutions to the DRM problem that MS could look into, but they simply don't. And TKemory, you are, how did you put it...."Uh Wrong". Piracy has been an issue for years. The reason why people are complaining is not because of Piracy, but because of the solution MS uses to prevent Piracy. If they change their method then they solve the problem. Therefore Piracy isn't the problem in this situation. And I never used the word "Somehow" Your argument can't be taking seriously when you can't get simple facts right.

Heh, you proved me right in your own post, if piracy didnt exist no DRM, no DRM no transfer issues...

Wow, your method for identifying the problem is ill-conceived. I'll humour you for a bit and use your method. Piracy isn't the problem, Digital Media is! Without digital media there would be no piracy and without piracy there would be no DRM issues. Oh wait, it must be humanity's fault. Without people creating digital media, there would be no piracy. Without piracy there would be no DRM issues. Still not right. Using your method it must be GOD'S fault. If God didn't create people then people wouldn't have created digital media. Without digital media there wouldn't be any piracy. And without piracy there wouldn't be any DRM issues! If everyone used this stacking method then every problem could be blamed on someone or something else if you stack it far enough. You use the same method that kid's use when trying to point the blame on who broke the neighbor's window. Get off the forums and like the adults talk! Idiot :)