Gears of War 3s 5 Must Fixes (multiplayer)

For the future installment of Gears of War, Tony begs Epic to fix the following.April 9, 2010 | 1:54 PM PST

by:Tony DaSilva

The Fact:

source: http://www.kombo.com/article.php?artid=14409

Dedicated servers, problems solved.

Don't even get me started on gears 2, but my number 1 fix is obviously the lag, causing god host in every game. Fixing the lag would significantly improve bullet recognition=less frustration. Oh, and whoever thought up frag tagging on walls should be slapped. Yeah and every point you had was valid.

Epic was like, "Hey, I see that everyone has issues with lag, glitches, and inconsistencies in Gears of War. So for Gears of War 2, we are going to ignore all those people, fix problems that never existed, and create new problems. Oh, and that lag and host advantage thing, yeah, we're not really going to focus on that. I think people would rather be able to frag tag on walls and do unique executions than have a stable online experience."

I agree on those points. I would also like to see it go back to what the first Gears was. It was just so awesome :P

if there was a way to do hosted servers where the connection is equal would be ideal. I found the chainsaw in gears 1 to be reasonable, it actually made it stop rather than just slowing down the guy.

I agree with this list, that any i want to see people use something more then shotguns

Well Put :D. This is exactly why i don't play gears online anymore .I hope they even bother on fixing this for the third installment

I agree with this list, that any i want to see people use something more then shotguns

SEANSEXYUNDIES

Me too. Gears 2 did increase the use of the assault rifles though, but I loved the shotty battles in Gears 1. It had quite the learning curve but every kill made you feel awesome.

Host isn't a problem.

They are annoying but the only time host means something is if you're playing it was a 1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1 instead of a 5v5. Teamwork + skill will overcome anything, even if you're down 2v4 or against host.

I agree with the frags though, I don't even call them grenades anymore. They're nuclear bombs. I actually prefer that people tag them on the wall, because at least you can avoid them, it's completely random when someone throws a nuclear bombat you though, especially if they throw both of them.

if, by some magical power, gears of war 3 is better than gears of war 2, i will be a very happy person. gears of war 1 felt right to me, but with the lag switchers and with every match turning into just a shotgun war, it felt incredibly one sided and unfair. gears of war 2 feels even worse with chainsaw wars, less shotgun power, and someone just plummeting you with lancer bullets from afar while you're attempting to get to cover, only to get taken down with no one around to help you up. :/ might be a giant skill issue on my side, but even in the beginning, i couldn't shake this crap off.

I agree on those points. I would also like to see it go back to what the first Gears was. It was just so awesome :P

TheMightyHoov

True Dat man

I have no problem with the chainsaw, but everything elese I agree with

[QUOTE="SEANSEXYUNDIES"]

I agree with this list, that any i want to see people use something more then shotguns

TheMightyHoov

Me too. Gears 2 did increase the use of the assault rifles though, but I loved the shotty battles in Gears 1. It had quite the learning curve but every kill made you feel awesome.

Shotty takes much more skill in Gears 2 (I mean actually shooting, not opting out for the easy kill be two piece or melee down like 95% of people do). Alot of people complain about two piecing or melee's but if you have a beast shotty, those problems won't effect you. I rarely get two pieced, and melee's never really effect me in a 1v1 because my wallbouncing/strafing makes these problems useless. Gears 2 isn't given a chance, because it was so overhyped and at launch it was unplayable with A LOT of flaws (I'll be the first to criticize the hell out of this game) but to say Gears 1 took more skill, laughable, not to mention insulting. Anyone could use the shotgun in Gears and everyone would go for sniper. Why? Because any bum could pick it up and get 4 kills in a round. I get the sniper all the time on my team, because nobody ever wants to pick it up, because it's not incredibly easy to use.

To the other guy, if you want to see people use more than shotguns, force them to. People are going to do what works. If two piecing gets you easy kills, you'll continue to two-piece.

well i hate the chainsaw as much as you do..i've been a victim of the chainsaw vaccum and yes it is very frustrating but taking it out of matchmaking is just a little too far.

Host isn't a problem.

They are annoying but the only time host means something is if you're playing it was a 1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1 instead of a 5v5. Teamwork + skill will overcome anything, even if you're down 2v4 or against host.

I agree with the frags though, I don't even call them grenades anymore. They're nuclear bombs. I actually prefer that people tag them on the wall, because at least you can avoid them, it's completely random when someone throws a nuclear bombat you though, especially if they throw both of them.

Fr0wnyface

if, by some magical power, gears of war 3 is better than gears of war 2, i will be a very happy person. gears of war 1 felt right to me, but with the lag switchers and with every match turning into just a shotgun war, it felt incredibly one sided and unfair. gears of war 2 feels even worse with chainsaw wars, less shotgun power, and someone just plummeting you with lancer bullets from afar while you're attempting to get to cover, only to get taken down with no one around to help you up. :/ might be a giant skill issue on my side, but even in the beginning, i couldn't shake this crap off.

starmanspr

1. Shotgun needed to get weaker. It was overpowered in the first, to the point where Torque Bow/Boomshot and everything besides Sniper wasn't even a power weapon. The Shotgun was the real power weapon, and you started off with it.

2. Who chainsaws? If you're getting chainsawed, it better be really laggy (and I mean really laggy. That lag where you walk down steps and 3 seconds later you teleport to the top of them) or you're doing something wrong. I haven't been chainsawed in forever, last time I got chainsawed was on a Portuguese connection and a bot chainsawed me.

3. Unlike Gears 1, Gears 2 actually forces you to use cover instead of rushing. That was the whole point of it. If you want to rush, you need teamwork. It should be a welcomed change because everyone complains about how nobody uses teamwork, but when a game emphasizes teamwork, nobody uses it anyway. When I play with friends, 90% of the time we straight rush. We don't pick up power weapons and just rush the other team. It's kind of hard for a team to counter5 rushers when maybe two people are prepared on defense, while the other 3 are trying to get power weapons or something,

4. To go along with the last one, if you get downed and nobody is around to help you, you're definitely doing something wrong. Again, this game emphasizes teamwork. People need to stop crying about how different it is from Gears 1 and adjust. The only people who still complain about Gears 2, play it the same way they would play Gears 1 and you can't. It's like playing Halo 3 the same way you would play Halo 2. The games are different and you need to adjust. Crying won't accomplish anything.

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[QUOTE="SEANSEXYUNDIES"]

I agree with this list, that any i want to see people use something more then shotguns

Fr0wnyface

Me too. Gears 2 did increase the use of the assault rifles though, but I loved the shotty battles in Gears 1. It had quite the learning curve but every kill made you feel awesome.

Shotty takes much more skill in Gears 2 (I mean actually shooting, not opting out for the easy kill be two piece or melee down like 95% of people do). Alot of people complain about two piecing or melee's but if you have a beast shotty, those problems won't effect you. I rarely get two pieced, and melee's never really effect me in a 1v1 because my wallbouncing/strafing makes these problems useless. Gears 2 isn't given a chance, because it was so overhyped and at launch it was unplayable with A LOT of flaws (I'll be the first to criticize the hell out of this game) but to say Gears 1 took more skill, laughable, not to mention insulting. Anyone could use the shotgun in Gears and everyone would go for sniper. Why? Because any bum could pick it up and get 4 kills in a round. I get the sniper all the time on my team, because nobody ever wants to pick it up, because it's not incredibly easy to use.

To the other guy, if you want to see people use more than shotguns, force them to. People are going to do what works. If two piecing gets you easy kills, you'll continue to two-piece.

I am a seasoned Gears player and when I played Gears 2 shotgun was far easier to use. If anything you are mixing up both games. Anyone can do relatively well with shotgun in Gears 2. If you walked into Gears 1 you would be destroyed. I know because when I first started out I struggled when I first started, but then I began to use strafing and wall bouncing. And sniper was not easy to use at all. I saw so many people try and use the sniper in that game and fail horribly. Sniper took alot of skill in Gears 1.

[QUOTE="Fr0wnyface"]

Host isn't a problem.

They are annoying but the only time host means something is if you're playing it was a 1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1 instead of a 5v5. Teamwork + skill will overcome anything, even if you're down 2v4 or against host.

I agree with the frags though, I don't even call them grenades anymore. They're nuclear bombs. I actually prefer that people tag them on the wall, because at least you can avoid them, it's completely random when someone throws a nuclear bombat you though, especially if they throw both of them.

V4LENT1NE

No, it's not a fact.

I just started playing this game again so I'm nowhere near as good as I used to be, yet me and my friends 5-0 nearly everyone. I've only played 15 games on this account, but I have two losses. One is because we quit because host on the other team started lagswitching. We were up 4-0, and host was 1-4.

Host doesn't mean anything, if you think it's a "fact" that host will always win, then you obviously aren't playing the game right, or you're not good enough. I love how people always look for an easy copout and blame host. Yes, at times it is ridiculous but they are not invincible. I've bodied plenty of people on their host. People who were pro/semi-pro for MLG and numerous of the top teams on the GB ladders.

So say what you mean. You want it to be Gears of War 1. All of those problems wouldn't be here if it was Gears1. No frag tag, no vacuum on the chainsaw, No mortar, Sure host has better chance at killing you but that is what makes it fun when you kill him.

So say what you mean. You want it to be Gears of War 1. All of those problems wouldn't be here if it was Gears1. No frag tag, no vacuum on the chainsaw, No mortar, Sure host has better chance at killing you but that is what makes it fun when you kill him.

jad206

It should be shotgun, not chainsaw for the last one. All you have to do is shoot the chainsaw like 2 times with the lancer. If he gets you from behind (not ment to be sexual) then thats not his fault for flanking. Its an execution...

Shotguns on the other hand... ugh. worst random damage/spread ever. Plus active reload makes it worse

6th pt. ACTIVE RELOAD MUST GO!

Dedicated servers, problems solved.

stevoqwerty

Not sure where this misconception of dedicated servers being the fix to lag came from but it really needs to stop. The only thing I would like them to CHANGE is add region filtering. What would be nice if they could calculate best connection for host although that is difficult. I think adding a region filter would solve most peoples problems because there is nothing wrong with the weapons or techniques it's just people dealing with lag. Play a local match and see how easy it is to stop a chainsaw or two piece. Fixing lag or at least minimizing it will fix all these issues.

Also, learn how to play the damn game and stop crying. If you don't like getting chainsawed then stop being a two piece scrub. If you don't like getting two pieced then stop letting them get so close and use a lancer or hammerburst. When they charge you...ROLL BACK. It's that simple. If you are fighting with someone and some guy sneaks up on you and chainsaws you that is a good play. Your team was not there helping you by either shooting the flank or at least telling you about it. I am so tired of hearing people about the weapons. They are fine.

Host advantage is only a real advantage when the other team has it and you are playing with randoms, no mics on and not talking to each other. In that case I hope the host makes you quit. When I play with a team it's with five people I know, they are good, and have mics. If you can't get on a team then you are probably not good at the game and shouldn't be playing it. So stop crying to Epic about how you suck and ruining it for people who are actually good at the game.

Edit: I could go on and on about this. I haven't even talked about cheating or quit early penalities but not going to write a blog about it.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="Fr0wnyface"]

Host isn't a problem.

They are annoying but the only time host means something is if you're playing it was a 1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1 instead of a 5v5. Teamwork + skill will overcome anything, even if you're down 2v4 or against host.

I agree with the frags though, I don't even call them grenades anymore. They're nuclear bombs. I actually prefer that people tag them on the wall, because at least you can avoid them, it's completely random when someone throws a nuclear bombat you though, especially if they throw both of them.

Fr0wnyface

No, it's not a fact.

I just started playing this game again so I'm nowhere near as good as I used to be, yet me and my friends 5-0 nearly everyone. I've only played 15 games on this account, but I have two losses. One is because we quit because host on the other team started lagswitching. We were up 4-0, and host was 1-4.

Host doesn't mean anything, if you think it's a "fact" that host will always win, then you obviously aren't playing the game right, or you're not good enough. I love how people always look for an easy copout and blame host. Yes, at times it is ridiculous but they are not invincible. I've bodied plenty of people on their host. People who were pro/semi-pro for MLG and numerous of the top teams on the GB ladders.

And remember I am not saying every game they will win, dont miss-quote me, I am saying its an advantage thats there and its proven, on paper in the "perfect match" with the same players on each team the host will win.

5. Excessive Damage of Mortar and Frags

To me the mortar is not a problem. They already gimped it with the length of time it takes to reload and setup. Frags can be annoying but they already fixed this as well by making the frags take a much longer time to respawn than when the game originally came out.

4. Fix the Match Leaving Penalty

Not a big deal because you can make far more than 1500 points in any match if you are a decent to good player.

3. Cheating (Lag Switch)

This would be my number one! The simplest solution is servers for ranked matches and client to client for unranked.

2. Hosting

Host has not bothered me very much. It is annoying when you do not have a good connection with the person but if you are good you can overcome host advantage with a little craftiness.

1. The Chainsaw

I don't see this as an issue at all. They totally fixed the chainsaw vacuum from Gears 1 with stopping power. The only times you should get chainsawed now are if you miss someone/are laggy and the shots don't register/someone sneaks up behind you (which by the way you should be dead anyway).

Ice_man_1985

so the mortars are bad because they are realistic, i dont know about you but if i saw a mortar headed my way i would run like a little girl

The one thing I would note about frages/mortars power weapons in general is that they are great for play like annex where guys basically are trying to hold down a check point, it actually gives you a chance to dislodge them. Tagging them on walls is great strategy and makes you think before sprinting around every corner. I felt over time that I was able to pretty much guess where they would be anyway. Mortar is pretty sick, but honestly not that hard to dodge, just look up at its peak a run elsewhere. Plus with one of the patches they made it harder to use. The chainsaw has to be in gow3 for sure, but if they could get rid of that vacuum effect that would really help. Id only use chainsaw on those god awful lagged up rounds where shooting was basically pointless, because overall shotgun was far superior. Lastly, totally aggree with fixing the host advantage. Sure its great fun when youre host and bascially with a shotgun its not even close. Its just frustrating to get 3 shotgun shots off to the face and they dont die, they get 1 offa gib you to pieces.

Frags/Mortars

The excessive damage of the mortar i feel is ok because you walk super slow with it and it takes a bit to drop them too. So often you could down someone using a mortar quite quickly. The frags however need to be toned downa bit. The diameter that they kill you is huge, frag tagging is ok because it makes people have to think twice before ripping around the corner. Which slows people down. Maybe they should consider only letting each player tag one frag rather then two just to eliminate people camping in spawn or something of that sort.

Match Leaving Penalty

This is a good and bad thing. It will sometimes stop people from leaving the match but if the lag is super bad and you have to leave it starts to become a pain. Also if the host leaves the match people wont get their points. Maybe fix that so people dont get punished when the host leaves(I know that you dont get the penalty but the punishment would be not getting the points that you have scored that match)


Host

As long as the game assigns a goodhost its not that big of a deal, but when people who have wal-mart, or k-mart(whatever you please) connection thats when it gets frustrating

The Chainsaw

This is not that big of a deal, if you dont like the chainsaw stay further back. People say take the chainsaw off the lancer, but i completely disagree. (and no i do not use the chainsaw). the chainsaw is what makes the lancer compareable with the hammerburst. The hammerburst is way more powerful and personally i feel it is a bettergun.

these are only a small amount of fixes

the biggest things i think they need to fix is

1.Host - they need to do something because as of right now host wins about 80% of the time

2.incosistancies - no more shooting someone 4 times in their back with the shotgun just to have them turn around and 1 shot kill you with that same shotgun.

3.Frag roll - if you roll ontop of a frag when it blows up you survive

4.bring back the "noob things" - melee out of run, shoot after melee, because it's just stupid to put a delay on these things

.Host - they need to do something because as of right now host wins about 80% of the time

JayQproductions

For the future installment of Gears of War, Tony begs Epic to fix the following.April 9, 2010 | 1:54 PM PST

by:Tony DaSilva

The Fact:

source: http://www.kombo.com/article.php?artid=14409