GTA 4 x360 no-hard drive

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="teebeenz"]Rockstar said they had several issues, While on the PS3 they get 50gigs of disk storage, 100% chance of an HD, on the 360 they get neither of those things. Common, how many times have we seen people warn of this, how many times have people said DVD9 isnt enough. If this is 18months in, makes me wonder if any big franchise will stay round on the 360 at all.tkemory

I have a 120gig driver, Id be damned if Im giving 50gigs of it to any one game. Ridiculous they would need that much. It has already been determined that the mechanics of the PS3 makes it harder to develop for but get this, they will overcome much to make money, people have been doing it for thousands of years.

You seriously think any major developer is going to write off the millions of 360 consoles because a small percentage of them are lacking a hard drive? Glad you arent running my company...

you really need to learn the difference between a hard drive and a storage format before posting again.

I know the difference I write software for a living, nice try at being cute though.

then I feel sorry for the software you write if you think that 50GB from a disc are going to be loaded to a HDD on a game console. 

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"] how much is the guitar for Guitar Hero? how much is a 20GB HDD(or 120GB HDD)? I rest my case. I don't know of many people that are going to spend $160+ on one game($60 game, $100 HDD) tkemory

If you can read, they would have to lower the cost of the HD attachment to bring it in line with the cost of a game like Guitar Hero. They co do it with a rebate so they dont have to hard package the two together. You really are an idiot.

I cant tell you how many times I have read people say I bought xxx console for xxx game. So obviously people will pay 160$ + for a single game.

you still didn't answer the question.  If I wanted to buy the Guitar for Guitar Hero, how much would it cost?

and that was a very mature response with the name calling. 

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"] how much is the guitar for Guitar Hero? how much is a 20GB HDD(or 120GB HDD)? I rest my case. I don't know of many people that are going to spend $160+ on one game($60 game, $100 HDD) tkemory

If you can read, they would have to lower the cost of the HD attachment to bring it in line with the cost of a game like Guitar Hero. They co do it with a rebate so they dont have to hard package the two together. You really are an idiot.

I cant tell you how many times I have read people say I bought xxx console for xxx game. So obviously people will pay 160$ + for a single game.

you still didn't answer the question. If I wanted to buy the Guitar for Guitar Hero, how much would it cost?

and that was a very mature response with the name calling.

and buying a console for one game is different from paying $160 for one game.  When you buy a console for one game, you still have the option of buying other games that have already come out or others that may be coming out in the future.

many fanboys state that GTA was the reason that the PS2 had so many sales.  People bought a PS2 just for GTA.  My question, was GTA the ONLY game they ever bought for their PS2?  I doubt it. 

[QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"] how much is the guitar for Guitar Hero? how much is a 20GB HDD(or 120GB HDD)? I rest my case. I don't know of many people that are going to spend $160+ on one game($60 game, $100 HDD) eclipsed4utoo

If you can read, they would have to lower the cost of the HD attachment to bring it in line with the cost of a game like Guitar Hero. They co do it with a rebate so they dont have to hard package the two together. You really are an idiot.

I cant tell you how many times I have read people say I bought xxx console for xxx game. So obviously people will pay 160$ + for a single game.

you still didn't answer the question. If I wanted to buy the Guitar for Guitar Hero, how much would it cost?

and that was a very mature response with the name calling.

and buying a console for one game is different from paying $160 for one game.  When you buy a console for one game, you still have the option of buying other games that have already come out or others that may be coming out in the future.

many fanboys state that GTA was the reason that the PS2 had so many sales.  People bought a PS2 just for GTA.  My question, was GTA the ONLY game they ever bought for their PS2?  I doubt it. 

You have to call them like you see them, you also seem lazy since you cant look up how much Guitar Hero with a guitar cost (90$).  The point is and I will use small words so you can understand since you keep beating this point to death...

You lower the cost of the accessory for people that buy the game to bring it in line with what people are willing to pay for a single game.  I know how much the HD cost normally, you have to lower the cost.  Once again in case you arent understanding, you have to lower the cost for the people that own a core.

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"] how much is the guitar for Guitar Hero? how much is a 20GB HDD(or 120GB HDD)? I rest my case. I don't know of many people that are going to spend $160+ on one game($60 game, $100 HDD) tkemory

If you can read, they would have to lower the cost of the HD attachment to bring it in line with the cost of a game like Guitar Hero. They co do it with a rebate so they dont have to hard package the two together. You really are an idiot.

I cant tell you how many times I have read people say I bought xxx console for xxx game. So obviously people will pay 160$ + for a single game.

you still didn't answer the question. If I wanted to buy the Guitar for Guitar Hero, how much would it cost?

and that was a very mature response with the name calling.

and buying a console for one game is different from paying $160 for one game. When you buy a console for one game, you still have the option of buying other games that have already come out or others that may be coming out in the future.

many fanboys state that GTA was the reason that the PS2 had so many sales. People bought a PS2 just for GTA. My question, was GTA the ONLY game they ever bought for their PS2? I doubt it.

You have to call them like you see them, you also seem lazy since you cant look up how much Guitar Hero with a guitar cost (90$). The point is and I will use small words so you can understand since you keep beating this point to death...

You lower the cost of the accessory for people that buy the game to bring it in line with what people are willing to pay for a single game. I know how much the HD cost normally, you have to lower the cost. Once again in case you arent understanding, you have to lower the cost for the people that own a core.

I guess I can't blame you for being mad.  I would be mad too if my 360 broke down all the time. 

then I feel sorry for the software you write if you think that 50GB from a disc are going to be loaded to a HDD on a game console. eclipsed4utoo

First of all a single sided BLU-RAY disk is only 25gig, I dont think they have ever mass produced the double sided kind yet so using 50gig is ridiculous.

Second of all, if a game like Oblivion can fit on a single DVD9, What is wrong with  Rockstar that they cant put a game out with half the graphics on a DVD9?  You have got to be kidding me...

Feel sorry all you want, you seem to forget a little thing called compression.  Microsoft has said time and again if developers utilize compression properly, DVD9 is more than enough room for any game.

[QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"] how much is the guitar for Guitar Hero? how much is a 20GB HDD(or 120GB HDD)? I rest my case. I don't know of many people that are going to spend $160+ on one game($60 game, $100 HDD) eclipsed4utoo

If you can read, they would have to lower the cost of the HD attachment to bring it in line with the cost of a game like Guitar Hero. They co do it with a rebate so they dont have to hard package the two together. You really are an idiot.

I cant tell you how many times I have read people say I bought xxx console for xxx game. So obviously people will pay 160$ + for a single game.

you still didn't answer the question. If I wanted to buy the Guitar for Guitar Hero, how much would it cost?

and that was a very mature response with the name calling.

and buying a console for one game is different from paying $160 for one game. When you buy a console for one game, you still have the option of buying other games that have already come out or others that may be coming out in the future.

many fanboys state that GTA was the reason that the PS2 had so many sales. People bought a PS2 just for GTA. My question, was GTA the ONLY game they ever bought for their PS2? I doubt it.

You have to call them like you see them, you also seem lazy since you cant look up how much Guitar Hero with a guitar cost (90$). The point is and I will use small words so you can understand since you keep beating this point to death...

You lower the cost of the accessory for people that buy the game to bring it in line with what people are willing to pay for a single game. I know how much the HD cost normally, you have to lower the cost. Once again in case you arent understanding, you have to lower the cost for the people that own a core.

I guess I can't blame you for being mad.  I would be mad too if my 360 broke down all the time. 

True colors show PS3 fan boi, first of all I bought my Elite and launch and it never broke.  I recently upgraded to an Elite because I have been so happy with my 360 but wanted the better upscaling because I use it for movies.

You must be mad because you system has zero games, crappy online play and has zero innovation.  I am happy with my console how about you.  You are such a troll that you have to stir up crap over something that is a non-issue.

[QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"] how much is the guitar for Guitar Hero? how much is a 20GB HDD(or 120GB HDD)? I rest my case. I don't know of many people that are going to spend $160+ on one game($60 game, $100 HDD) eclipsed4utoo

If you can read, they would have to lower the cost of the HD attachment to bring it in line with the cost of a game like Guitar Hero. They co do it with a rebate so they dont have to hard package the two together. You really are an idiot.

I cant tell you how many times I have read people say I bought xxx console for xxx game. So obviously people will pay 160$ + for a single game.

you still didn't answer the question. If I wanted to buy the Guitar for Guitar Hero, how much would it cost?

and that was a very mature response with the name calling.

and buying a console for one game is different from paying $160 for one game. When you buy a console for one game, you still have the option of buying other games that have already come out or others that may be coming out in the future.

many fanboys state that GTA was the reason that the PS2 had so many sales. People bought a PS2 just for GTA. My question, was GTA the ONLY game they ever bought for their PS2? I doubt it.

You have to call them like you see them, you also seem lazy since you cant look up how much Guitar Hero with a guitar cost (90$). The point is and I will use small words so you can understand since you keep beating this point to death...

You lower the cost of the accessory for people that buy the game to bring it in line with what people are willing to pay for a single game. I know how much the HD cost normally, you have to lower the cost. Once again in case you arent understanding, you have to lower the cost for the people that own a core.

I guess I can't blame you for being mad.  I would be mad too if my 360 broke down all the time. 

True colors show PS3 fan boi, first of all I bought my Premium at launch and it never broke.  I recently upgraded to an Elite because I have been so happy with my 360 but wanted the better upscaling because I use it for movies.

You must be mad because you system has zero games, crappy online play and has zero innovation.  I am happy with my console how about you.  You are such a troll that you have to stir up crap over something that is a non-issue.

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"] how much is the guitar for Guitar Hero? how much is a 20GB HDD(or 120GB HDD)? I rest my case. I don't know of many people that are going to spend $160+ on one game($60 game, $100 HDD) tkemory

If you can read, they would have to lower the cost of the HD attachment to bring it in line with the cost of a game like Guitar Hero. They co do it with a rebate so they dont have to hard package the two together. You really are an idiot.

I cant tell you how many times I have read people say I bought xxx console for xxx game. So obviously people will pay 160$ + for a single game.

you still didn't answer the question. If I wanted to buy the Guitar for Guitar Hero, how much would it cost?

and that was a very mature response with the name calling.

and buying a console for one game is different from paying $160 for one game. When you buy a console for one game, you still have the option of buying other games that have already come out or others that may be coming out in the future.

many fanboys state that GTA was the reason that the PS2 had so many sales. People bought a PS2 just for GTA. My question, was GTA the ONLY game they ever bought for their PS2? I doubt it.

You have to call them like you see them, you also seem lazy since you cant look up how much Guitar Hero with a guitar cost (90$). The point is and I will use small words so you can understand since you keep beating this point to death...

You lower the cost of the accessory for people that buy the game to bring it in line with what people are willing to pay for a single game. I know how much the HD cost normally, you have to lower the cost. Once again in case you arent understanding, you have to lower the cost for the people that own a core.

I guess I can't blame you for being mad. I would be mad too if my 360 broke down all the time.

True colors show PS3 fan boi, first of all I bought my Premium at launch and it never broke. I recently upgraded to an Elite because I have been so happy with my 360 but wanted the better upscaling because I use it for movies.

You must be mad because you system has zero games, crappy online play and has zero innovation. I am happy with my console how about you. You are such a troll that you have to stir up crap over something that is a non-issue.

considering that I only have a 360, why do you post like that about your own beloved console? 

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"] how much is the guitar for Guitar Hero? how much is a 20GB HDD(or 120GB HDD)? I rest my case. I don't know of many people that are going to spend $160+ on one game($60 game, $100 HDD) tkemory

If you can read, they would have to lower the cost of the HD attachment to bring it in line with the cost of a game like Guitar Hero. They co do it with a rebate so they dont have to hard package the two together. You really are an idiot.

I cant tell you how many times I have read people say I bought xxx console for xxx game. So obviously people will pay 160$ + for a single game.

you still didn't answer the question. If I wanted to buy the Guitar for Guitar Hero, how much would it cost?

and that was a very mature response with the name calling.

and buying a console for one game is different from paying $160 for one game. When you buy a console for one game, you still have the option of buying other games that have already come out or others that may be coming out in the future.

many fanboys state that GTA was the reason that the PS2 had so many sales. People bought a PS2 just for GTA. My question, was GTA the ONLY game they ever bought for their PS2? I doubt it.

You have to call them like you see them, you also seem lazy since you cant look up how much Guitar Hero with a guitar cost (90$). The point is and I will use small words so you can understand since you keep beating this point to death...

You lower the cost of the accessory for people that buy the game to bring it in line with what people are willing to pay for a single game. I know how much the HD cost normally, you have to lower the cost. Once again in case you arent understanding, you have to lower the cost for the people that own a core.

I guess I can't blame you for being mad. I would be mad too if my 360 broke down all the time.

True colors show PS3 fan boi, first of all I bought my Premium at launch and it never broke. I recently upgraded to an Elite because I have been so happy with my 360 but wanted the better upscaling because I use it for movies.

You must be mad because you system has zero games, crappy online play and has zero innovation. I am happy with my console how about you. You are such a troll that you have to stir up crap over something that is a non-issue.

considering that I only have a 360, why do you post like that about your own beloved console?

crappy online play? if no lag and FREE means it's crappy, then I guess Live is wonderful.

zero innovation? what "innovation" does the 360 have?

considering that I only have a 360, why do you post like that about your own beloved console? 

eclipsed4utoo

[QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"] how much is the guitar for Guitar Hero? how much is a 20GB HDD(or 120GB HDD)? I rest my case. I don't know of many people that are going to spend $160+ on one game($60 game, $100 HDD) eclipsed4utoo

If you can read, they would have to lower the cost of the HD attachment to bring it in line with the cost of a game like Guitar Hero. They co do it with a rebate so they dont have to hard package the two together. You really are an idiot.

I cant tell you how many times I have read people say I bought xxx console for xxx game. So obviously people will pay 160$ + for a single game.

you still didn't answer the question. If I wanted to buy the Guitar for Guitar Hero, how much would it cost?

and that was a very mature response with the name calling.

and buying a console for one game is different from paying $160 for one game. When you buy a console for one game, you still have the option of buying other games that have already come out or others that may be coming out in the future.

many fanboys state that GTA was the reason that the PS2 had so many sales. People bought a PS2 just for GTA. My question, was GTA the ONLY game they ever bought for their PS2? I doubt it.

You have to call them like you see them, you also seem lazy since you cant look up how much Guitar Hero with a guitar cost (90$). The point is and I will use small words so you can understand since you keep beating this point to death...

You lower the cost of the accessory for people that buy the game to bring it in line with what people are willing to pay for a single game. I know how much the HD cost normally, you have to lower the cost. Once again in case you arent understanding, you have to lower the cost for the people that own a core.

I guess I can't blame you for being mad. I would be mad too if my 360 broke down all the time.

True colors show PS3 fan boi, first of all I bought my Premium at launch and it never broke. I recently upgraded to an Elite because I have been so happy with my 360 but wanted the better upscaling because I use it for movies.

You must be mad because you system has zero games, crappy online play and has zero innovation. I am happy with my console how about you. You are such a troll that you have to stir up crap over something that is a non-issue.

considering that I only have a 360, why do you post like that about your own beloved console?

crappy online play?  if no lag means it's crappy, then I guess Live is wonderful.

zero innovation?  what "innovation" does the 360 have? 

Look it up, troll elsewhere...

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"]

considering that I only have a 360, why do you post like that about your own beloved console?

tkemory

you should turn signatures on so you could read mine.  I have no reason to lie.  I don't own a PS3.  not enough games right now, and I have other bigger expenses.  I have a 360 and play it just about daily.  And I pay $50 for Live. 

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"] how much is the guitar for Guitar Hero? how much is a 20GB HDD(or 120GB HDD)? I rest my case. I don't know of many people that are going to spend $160+ on one game($60 game, $100 HDD) tkemory

If you can read, they would have to lower the cost of the HD attachment to bring it in line with the cost of a game like Guitar Hero. They co do it with a rebate so they dont have to hard package the two together. You really are an idiot.

I cant tell you how many times I have read people say I bought xxx console for xxx game. So obviously people will pay 160$ + for a single game.

you still didn't answer the question. If I wanted to buy the Guitar for Guitar Hero, how much would it cost?

and that was a very mature response with the name calling.

and buying a console for one game is different from paying $160 for one game. When you buy a console for one game, you still have the option of buying other games that have already come out or others that may be coming out in the future.

many fanboys state that GTA was the reason that the PS2 had so many sales. People bought a PS2 just for GTA. My question, was GTA the ONLY game they ever bought for their PS2? I doubt it.

You have to call them like you see them, you also seem lazy since you cant look up how much Guitar Hero with a guitar cost (90$). The point is and I will use small words so you can understand since you keep beating this point to death...

You lower the cost of the accessory for people that buy the game to bring it in line with what people are willing to pay for a single game. I know how much the HD cost normally, you have to lower the cost. Once again in case you arent understanding, you have to lower the cost for the people that own a core.

I guess I can't blame you for being mad. I would be mad too if my 360 broke down all the time.

True colors show PS3 fan boi, first of all I bought my Premium at launch and it never broke. I recently upgraded to an Elite because I have been so happy with my 360 but wanted the better upscaling because I use it for movies.

You must be mad because you system has zero games, crappy online play and has zero innovation. I am happy with my console how about you. You are such a troll that you have to stir up crap over something that is a non-issue.

considering that I only have a 360, why do you post like that about your own beloved console?

crappy online play? if no lag means it's crappy, then I guess Live is wonderful.

zero innovation? what "innovation" does the 360 have?

Look it up, troll elsewhere...

I figured you would cop out when you had to actually name some innovative features. 

[QUOTE="teebeenz"]Rockstar said they had several issues, While on the PS3 they get 50gigs of disk storage, 100% chance of an HD, on the 360 they get neither of those things. Common, how many times have we seen people warn of this, how many times have people said DVD9 isnt enough. If this is 18months in, makes me wonder if any big franchise will stay round on the 360 at all.tkemory

Yeah, There is no way ONE game can take up 50 gigs. The game will probably be 8 gigs. 

I have a 120gig driver, Id be damned if Im giving 50gigs of it to any one game. Ridiculous they would need that much. It has already been determined that the mechanics of the PS3 makes it harder to develop for but get this, they will overcome much to make money, people have been doing it for thousands of years.

You seriously think any major developer is going to write off the millions of 360 consoles because a small percentage of them are lacking a hard drive? Glad you arent running my company...

I'd like to see some statitistics on the percentage of Core users compared to the entire X360 install base.  Perfect Dark and Donkey Kong on the N64 both required the RAM expansion pack, and each were pretty successful games.  I realize that the price point is quite different for the HDD, but then again, everything is more expensive now. Look at GTA IV as a great opportunity to convince everyone to get a HDD and finally make it pseuod-standard.  What better game to convince people to do that than GTA IV?

And even if they don't, there are other equalizations between the two consoles.  It is an established fact that the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 reads slower than the X360 DVD drive, which would further equalize the advantages of each console.  You can say the PS3 "can" cache to HDD, which sounds great, or you can say the PS3 "has" to cache to its HDD, which sounds a lot like a disadvantage. 

 As for the system memory issues for the two consoles...It's best not to even comment on these things unless you personally have expertise with game console design and development.  From what I've heard from developers without necessary allegiance, neither can honestly be called superior when everything is taken into account, theoretical performance and efficacy tend to balance each other out.

 All I can really say is that there had to be some reason why Rockstar chose the X360 version to render their announcement trailer.  Beyond that, who knows?  Regardless, isn't it hilarious that we're discussing the graphical performance of a Grand Theft Auto game as though it has ever been vital to the series?  Millions upon millions bought GTA III, Vice City, and San Andreas on the PS2, and they all looked horrible.  The Xbox versions looked a bit better when they were released later but, for some reason, the cheaper console with the greater install base made the most sales.

[QUOTE="topmanhugo"]i agree, i will feel very disapointed if the ps3 version is superior to the x360 version jst because of the core that's unfair for premium and elite owners.RabbidDawg

Exactly. If the core is hindering the process, then R* needs to just dev for it like evryone has an HDD and just put a stamp on the back of the game box saying that an HDD is required to play this game. There are a lot of poeple who will be upset if the 360 version is inferior all because of something like this, and I will be one of them.

What out of 11 million 360 owners Id say at least 9 million probably have HDDs, and at least half a million probably have a PS3 and 360 and if its better on the PS3, which version do you think that they will buy? GTA is a system seller believe it or not, and the system its better on is gonna sell more. Im not going by any factual numbers just giving a rough example of how it could turn out.

The last thing I would want to think is that now devs are finding a bottleneck on the 360 because not all 360s have an HDD. An HDD can be used for gamings benefit, and really the 360 sucks with out one, so hopefully the core wil go bye bye soon.

GTA is definitely a system seller. I bought my PS2 just to get GTA3 (it wasn't on PC at the time)... really, it's the game that brought me back to console gaming after I abandoned it when the PS1 and N64 started to peter out.

MS has already stated that some games will require the HDD to work, didn't they? Wasn't that something they were talking about before where you'd start seeing that on games? I mean, FFXI already requires it, I don't see what the problem is.

I think R* just wants something to complain about. Why can Oblivion fit on a DVD, but GTA IV can't? Give me a break, R*. Your job is to use the capabilities of a system to make games. Do your job. 

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"]then I feel sorry for the software you write if you think that 50GB from a disc are going to be loaded to a HDD on a game console. tkemory

First of all a single sided BLU-RAY disk is only 25gig, I dont think they have ever mass produced the double sided kind yet so using 50gig is ridiculous.

Second of all, if a game like Oblivion can fit on a single DVD9, What is wrong with Rockstar that they cant put a game out with half the graphics on a DVD9? You have got to be kidding me...

Feel sorry all you want, you seem to forget a little thing called compression. Microsoft has said time and again if developers utilize compression properly, DVD9 is more than enough room for any game.

I too feel sorry for the codes you write. If you still think that a single layer BD is only 25 gigs, my my, whats going to be of us in the future 

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"]

considering that I only have a 360, why do you post like that about your own beloved console? 

tkemory

He's a PS3 fanboy that doesn't own one yet own a 360 can does nothing but bash it all the time. Sony fanboys are just looking for anything they can right now. It's not like it matters or change the game. The game is still going to be the same and frankly the GTA series is tired and warn out. Let the Sony fanboys talk......they have nothing else to say really.

[QUOTE="teebeenz"][QUOTE="monco59"]They also said they had several problems with the PS3. Each had their "pleasures and pains" as the man put it.tkemory

Think! If its that important that they have a HD, they can print "Game requires HD on the side of the box", and guess what a HD can be bought and added to a Core, so the problem can be fixed. Ever heard of Guitar Hero? People will by accessories to play a game, this has to be the dumbest argument I have ever read. Troll elsewhere please...

Exactly! He's actually saying in order for MS to fix the issue, they need to recall all consoles. WHY? You only need to add a HDD, it's not a matter of recalls. You've got about 5 second to mosey on out of here before I grab my trusty pitchfork and go troll hunting. 

I too feel sorry for the codes you write. If you still think that a single layer BD is only 25 gigs, my my, whats going to be of us in the future kenshinhimura16

I feel sorry for anything you do since you obviously dont research before you open your mouth.

From Wikipedia

The name Blu-ray Disc is derived from the blue-violet laser used to read and write this type of disc. Because of its shorter wavelength (405 nm), substantially more data can be stored on a Blu-ray Disc than on the DVD format, which uses a red, 650 nm laser. A single layer Blu-ray Disc can store 25 GB, over 5 times the size of a single layer DVD at 4.7GB. A dual layer Blu-ray Disc can store 50 GB, almost 6 times the size of a dual layer DVD at 8.5GB.

[QUOTE="peterjamesmorri"]

im confused - this shouldn't be a problem. the whole point with the GTA series was that the environment is streamed from the disk into memory as required.

were there any load times between areas in san andreas? No

did the ps2 have a hard drive? No

was the xbox version of san andreas superior to the ps2 version due to it having a hard drive? No

The PS3 has 256MB of main RAM, compared to the 360s 512MB. Maybe this is why the PS3 needs to cache data on the hard drive rather streaming directly to RAM.

This whole thing has been blown out of all proportion...

eclipsed4utoo

the GPU on the PS3 has access to all 512MB of RAM.

Wrong again Mr. Fanboy. The PS3 has a limited amount of ram for it's GPU and CPU. 

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="teebeenz"]Rockstar said they had several issues, While on the PS3 they get 50gigs of disk storage, 100% chance of an HD, on the 360 they get neither of those things. Common, how many times have we seen people warn of this, how many times have people said DVD9 isnt enough. If this is 18months in, makes me wonder if any big franchise will stay round on the 360 at all.monco59

I have a 120gig driver, Id be damned if Im giving 50gigs of it to any one game. Ridiculous they would need that much. It has already been determined that the mechanics of the PS3 makes it harder to develop for but get this, they will overcome much to make money, people have been doing it for thousands of years.

You seriously think any major developer is going to write off the millions of 360 consoles because a small percentage of them are lacking a hard drive? Glad you arent running my company...

you really need to learn the difference between a hard drive and a storage format before posting again.

You're missing the point. So far we have yet to see anything that justifies the use of Blu-ray, and I doubt we will during this generation. MS is the clear leader in compression technology, which is the most important facet right now. All you need is to look at Bethesda and Bioware. Are they complaining about the lack of HD-DVD or Blu-ray? No, because they actually know how to make a game and compress it properly when needed... So it seems yo're the one who needs to do a little "learning".

"so far we have yet to see anything that justifies the use..".  the same can be said about alot.  Microsoft said the same about HDMI and 1080p.  but yet, now they have released updates to allow 1080p and released an entirely new console for HDMI.  

what I am getting at is, just because we don't need it NOW, doesn't mean we will not need it in the next couple of years.  Show me one third party developer who states that blu-ray is a bad thing.  You will not find any.  Every developer has stated that they are excited about using blu-ray.

why would a company that is in a contractual deal for an exclusive title, talk bad about the only console their game is going to be on?  that would be utterly stupid. 

[QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"]

considering that I only have a 360, why do you post like that about your own beloved console?

kingtito

He's a PS3 fanboy that doesn't own one yet own a 360 can does nothing but bash it all the time. Sony fanboys are just looking for anything they can right now. It's not like it matters or change the game. The game is still going to be the same and frankly the GTA series is tired and warn out. Let the Sony fanboys talk......they have nothing else to say really.

isn't the term "fanboy" defined as somebody who blindly follows one company and hates the competitors?  but I guess by your definition, anybody who has something good to say about the PS3 is a PS3 fanboy and anybody who has something bad to say about the 360 is also a PS3 fanboy.  or maybe I am a PS3 fanboy because I like the PS3?  if that's the case, then you could be called a fanboy for liking the 360...and everybody on this forum would be fanboys for the console that they PREFER. 

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]I too feel sorry for the codes you write. If you still think that a single layer BD is only 25 gigs, my my, whats going to be of us in the future tkemory

I feel sorry for anything you do since you obviously dont research before you open your mouth.

From Wikipedia

The name Blu-ray Disc is derived from the blue-violet laser used to read and write this type of disc. Because of its shorter wavelength (405 nm), substantially more data can be stored on a Blu-ray Disc than on the DVD format, which uses a red, 650 nm laser. A single layer Blu-ray Disc can store 25 GB, over 5 times the size of a single layer DVD at 4.7GB. A dual layer Blu-ray Disc can store 50 GB, almost 6 times the size of a dual layer DVD at 8.5GB.

maybe you need to do more research..

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20060831225504.html

and just to clarify, Wikipedia isn't a source for information.  it can be changed by anybody.  I could go to the page about blu-ray and change it to say 400GB per layer. 

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="peterjamesmorri"]

im confused - this shouldn't be a problem. the whole point with the GTA series was that the environment is streamed from the disk into memory as required.

were there any load times between areas in san andreas? No

did the ps2 have a hard drive? No

was the xbox version of san andreas superior to the ps2 version due to it having a hard drive? No

The PS3 has 256MB of main RAM, compared to the 360s 512MB. Maybe this is why the PS3 needs to cache data on the hard drive rather streaming directly to RAM.

This whole thing has been blown out of all proportion...

monco59

the GPU on the PS3 has access to all 512MB of RAM.

Wrong again Mr. Fanboy. The PS3 has a limited amount of ram for it's GPU and CPU.

wrong Mr. IdontknowwhatIamtalkingabout, the RSX is capable of rendering pixels to all 512MB of RAM.  The CELL processor is limited to it's own 256MB. 

You're missing the point. So far we have yet to see anything that justifies the use of Blu-ray, and I doubt we will during this generation. MS is the clear leader in compression technology, which is the most important facet right now. All you need is to look at Bethesda and Bioware. Are they complaining about the lack of HD-DVD or Blu-ray? No, because they actually know how to make a game and compress it properly when needed... So it seems yo're the one who needs to do a little "learning". monco59

[QUOTE="monco59"]You're missing the point. So far we have yet to see anything that justifies the use of Blu-ray, and I doubt we will during this generation. MS is the clear leader in compression technology, which is the most important facet right now. All you need is to look at Bethesda and Bioware. Are they complaining about the lack of HD-DVD or Blu-ray? No, because they actually know how to make a game and compress it properly when needed... So it seems yo're the one who needs to do a little "learning". teebeenz

to add, game sizes from the PS1 to PS2 generation increased by over 500%.  why wouldn't the same happen now?  even a 100% increase would put alot of games over 9GB.

also, what's the difference of moving for cartidges to CDs, CDs to DVDs, and DVDs to blu-ray?  that same was said about the previous two formats not being needed for games.  now look at them. 

[QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]I too feel sorry for the codes you write. If you still think that a single layer BD is only 25 gigs, my my, whats going to be of us in the future eclipsed4utoo

I feel sorry for anything you do since you obviously dont research before you open your mouth.

From Wikipedia

The name Blu-ray Disc is derived from the blue-violet laser used to read and write this type of disc. Because of its shorter wavelength (405 nm), substantially more data can be stored on a Blu-ray Disc than on the DVD format, which uses a red, 650 nm laser. A single layer Blu-ray Disc can store 25 GB, over 5 times the size of a single layer DVD at 4.7GB. A dual layer Blu-ray Disc can store 50 GB, almost 6 times the size of a dual layer DVD at 8.5GB.

maybe you need to do more research..

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20060831225504.html

and just to clarify, Wikipedia isn't a source for information.  it can be changed by anybody.  I could go to the page about blu-ray and change it to say 400GB per layer. 

Did you miss the giant words at the top that read PROTOTYPE, we are talking about disc that are currently being produced and holding content and sold in the stores. My research is just fine.

[QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]I too feel sorry for the codes you write. If you still think that a single layer BD is only 25 gigs, my my, whats going to be of us in the future eclipsed4utoo

I feel sorry for anything you do since you obviously dont research before you open your mouth.

From Wikipedia

The name Blu-ray Disc is derived from the blue-violet laser used to read and write this type of disc. Because of its shorter wavelength (405 nm), substantially more data can be stored on a Blu-ray Disc than on the DVD format, which uses a red, 650 nm laser. A single layer Blu-ray Disc can store 25 GB, over 5 times the size of a single layer DVD at 4.7GB. A dual layer Blu-ray Disc can store 50 GB, almost 6 times the size of a dual layer DVD at 8.5GB.

maybe you need to do more research..

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20060831225504.html

and just to clarify, Wikipedia isn't a source for information.  it can be changed by anybody.  I could go to the page about blu-ray and change it to say 400GB per layer. 

Did you miss the giant words at the top that read PROTOTYPE, we are talking about disc that are currently being produced and holding content and sold in the stores. My research is just fine.

They have cars that run on water but you dont see anyone mass producing them...

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]I too feel sorry for the codes you write. If you still think that a single layer BD is only 25 gigs, my my, whats going to be of us in the future tkemory

I feel sorry for anything you do since you obviously dont research before you open your mouth.

From Wikipedia

The name Blu-ray Disc is derived from the blue-violet laser used to read and write this type of disc. Because of its shorter wavelength (405 nm), substantially more data can be stored on a Blu-ray Disc than on the DVD format, which uses a red, 650 nm laser. A single layer Blu-ray Disc can store 25 GB, over 5 times the size of a single layer DVD at 4.7GB. A dual layer Blu-ray Disc can store 50 GB, almost 6 times the size of a dual layer DVD at 8.5GB.

maybe you need to do more research..

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20060831225504.html

and just to clarify, Wikipedia isn't a source for information. it can be changed by anybody. I could go to the page about blu-ray and change it to say 400GB per layer.

Did you miss the giant words at the top that read PROTOTYPE, we are talking about disc that are currently being produced and holding content and sold in the stores. My research is just fine.

They have cars that run on water but you dont see anyone mass producing them...

You do know that there are no cars that run on "water"? They are HYDROGEN cars.  And no, hydrogen and water are not the same.  And yes, they are being mass-produced.

and yes, at the time of that article, it was a prototype, but the blu-ray association is readying it for production. 

[QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]I too feel sorry for the codes you write. If you still think that a single layer BD is only 25 gigs, my my, whats going to be of us in the future eclipsed4utoo

I feel sorry for anything you do since you obviously dont research before you open your mouth.

From Wikipedia

The name Blu-ray Disc is derived from the blue-violet laser used to read and write this type of disc. Because of its shorter wavelength (405 nm), substantially more data can be stored on a Blu-ray Disc than on the DVD format, which uses a red, 650 nm laser. A single layer Blu-ray Disc can store 25 GB, over 5 times the size of a single layer DVD at 4.7GB. A dual layer Blu-ray Disc can store 50 GB, almost 6 times the size of a dual layer DVD at 8.5GB.

maybe you need to do more research..

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20060831225504.html

and just to clarify, Wikipedia isn't a source for information. it can be changed by anybody. I could go to the page about blu-ray and change it to say 400GB per layer.

Did you miss the giant words at the top that read PROTOTYPE, we are talking about disc that are currently being produced and holding content and sold in the stores. My research is just fine.

They have cars that run on water but you dont see anyone mass producing them...

You do know that there are no cars that run on "water"? They are HYDROGEN cars. And no, hydrogen and water are not the same. And yes, they are being mass-produced.

and yes, at the time of that article, it was a prototype, but the blu-ray association is readying it for production.

Thats right, they are Hydrogen cars, and they are really popular now in Japan, and are slowly replacing fossil fuel cars over there.

And, Kojima putted MGS 4 on hold just to place it on a single layer 50 gigs disk.

The fact that you used Wiki just shows how little ways of research you know. 

[QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]I too feel sorry for the codes you write. If you still think that a single layer BD is only 25 gigs, my my, whats going to be of us in the future eclipsed4utoo

I feel sorry for anything you do since you obviously dont research before you open your mouth.

From Wikipedia

The name Blu-ray Disc is derived from the blue-violet laser used to read and write this type of disc. Because of its shorter wavelength (405 nm), substantially more data can be stored on a Blu-ray Disc than on the DVD format, which uses a red, 650 nm laser. A single layer Blu-ray Disc can store 25 GB, over 5 times the size of a single layer DVD at 4.7GB. A dual layer Blu-ray Disc can store 50 GB, almost 6 times the size of a dual layer DVD at 8.5GB.

maybe you need to do more research..

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20060831225504.html

and just to clarify, Wikipedia isn't a source for information. it can be changed by anybody. I could go to the page about blu-ray and change it to say 400GB per layer.

Did you miss the giant words at the top that read PROTOTYPE, we are talking about disc that are currently being produced and holding content and sold in the stores. My research is just fine.

They have cars that run on water but you dont see anyone mass producing them...

You do know that there are no cars that run on "water"? They are HYDROGEN cars. And no, hydrogen and water are not the same. And yes, they are being mass-produced.

and yes, at the time of that article, it was a prototype, but the blu-ray association is readying it for production.

Thats right, they are Hydrogen cars, and they are really popular now in Japan, and are slowly replacing fossil fuel cars over there.

And, Kojima putted MGS 4 on hold just to place it on a single layer 50 gigs disk. And in fact, he said he may even need 2

The fact that you used Wiki just shows how little ways of research you know. where did you thought all the jokes about 10 disk mgs 4 360 version came from? A talking cake?

EDIT: and just to be more precise, its not Hydrogen as fuel, but as batteries, Toyota is already producing vans using them and they can go at pretty nice speeds. 

[QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]I too feel sorry for the codes you write. If you still think that a single layer BD is only 25 gigs, my my, whats going to be of us in the future eclipsed4utoo

I feel sorry for anything you do since you obviously dont research before you open your mouth.

From Wikipedia

The name Blu-ray Disc is derived from the blue-violet laser used to read and write this type of disc. Because of its shorter wavelength (405 nm), substantially more data can be stored on a Blu-ray Disc than on the DVD format, which uses a red, 650 nm laser. A single layer Blu-ray Disc can store 25 GB, over 5 times the size of a single layer DVD at 4.7GB. A dual layer Blu-ray Disc can store 50 GB, almost 6 times the size of a dual layer DVD at 8.5GB.

maybe you need to do more research..

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20060831225504.html

and just to clarify, Wikipedia isn't a source for information. it can be changed by anybody. I could go to the page about blu-ray and change it to say 400GB per layer.

Did you miss the giant words at the top that read PROTOTYPE, we are talking about disc that are currently being produced and holding content and sold in the stores. My research is just fine.

They have cars that run on water but you dont see anyone mass producing them...

You do know that there are no cars that run on "water"? They are HYDROGEN cars. And no, hydrogen and water are not the same. And yes, they are being mass-produced.

and yes, at the time of that article, it was a prototype, but the blu-ray association is readying it for production.

Thats right, they are Hydrogen cars, and they are really popular now in Japan, and are slowly replacing fossil fuel cars over there.

And, Kojima putted MGS 4 on hold just to place it on a single layer 50 gigs disk. And in fact, he said he may even need 2

The fact that you used Wiki just shows how little ways of research you know. where did you thought all the jokes about 10 disk mgs 4 360 version came from? A talking cake?

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]I too feel sorry for the codes you write. If you still think that a single layer BD is only 25 gigs, my my, whats going to be of us in the future kenshinhimura16

I feel sorry for anything you do since you obviously dont research before you open your mouth.

From Wikipedia

The name Blu-ray Disc is derived from the blue-violet laser used to read and write this type of disc. Because of its shorter wavelength (405 nm), substantially more data can be stored on a Blu-ray Disc than on the DVD format, which uses a red, 650 nm laser. A single layer Blu-ray Disc can store 25 GB, over 5 times the size of a single layer DVD at 4.7GB. A dual layer Blu-ray Disc can store 50 GB, almost 6 times the size of a dual layer DVD at 8.5GB.

maybe you need to do more research..

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20060831225504.html

and just to clarify, Wikipedia isn't a source for information. it can be changed by anybody. I could go to the page about blu-ray and change it to say 400GB per layer.

Did you miss the giant words at the top that read PROTOTYPE, we are talking about disc that are currently being produced and holding content and sold in the stores. My research is just fine.

They have cars that run on water but you dont see anyone mass producing them...

You do know that there are no cars that run on "water"? They are HYDROGEN cars. And no, hydrogen and water are not the same. And yes, they are being mass-produced.

and yes, at the time of that article, it was a prototype, but the blu-ray association is readying it for production.

EDIT: and just to be more precise, its not Hydrogen as fuel, but as batteries, Toyota is already producing vans using them and they can go at pretty nice speeds.

you are talking about electric cars. There are electric cars, then there are hydrogen cars.

I said water I meant water.  Here is one link, since you are so good a research you can look the rest up yourself.

http://zedomax.com/blog/2007/03/02/diy-how-to-run-your-car-from-water/

I said water I meant water.  Here is one link, since you are so good at research you can look the rest up yourself.

http://zedomax.com/blog/2007/03/02/diy-how-to-run-your-car-from-water/

I said water I meant water. Here is one link, since you are so good at research you can look the rest up yourself.

http://zedomax.com/blog/2007/03/02/diy-how-to-run-your-car-from-water/

 

tkemory

Did you miss this part?

Sol's work on perfecting the cosmic water cell is still continuing

They managed to make it work on the vastly inferior PS2 in the last generation. They will make it work here.

-=Mike 

[QUOTE="Crystal-Rush"]who knows why, but im just sick of hearing crap from Sony fanboys about it (not that im calling you one). Maybe R* are not as skilled at dealing with the issue as Bethesda was with Oblivion
familyguyvs360

[QUOTE="tkemory"]

I said water I meant water. Here is one link, since you are so good at research you can look the rest up yourself.

http://zedomax.com/blog/2007/03/02/diy-how-to-run-your-car-from-water/

 

eclipsed4utoo

Did you miss this part?

Sol's work on perfecting the cosmic water cell is still continuing

Wow no i didnt, i said no one is mass producing them, just like the 200gig blu-ray disk, work in progress.  Until one is on the shelf its just that a prototype.

I dont understand why GTA will need more than 8 gigs of space anyway, most of the time a game takes up alot of space its because of textures not functionality. No one can dispute that GTA games are never cutting edge on the graphics sidetkemory