how many of you actually mind paying for xboxlive

i have both a 360 and a ps3 and love them both and have trouble when i try to compare the systems to each other but one thing that i have concluded is IMO xboxlive is better that PSN.

bu some people say that since PSN is free it is better, i say no, i truly dont mind paying 50 dallors for a year(and some free crap) of xboxlive its not that much of a burden to me.

so my question is do you guys mind paying that money?

I don't mind paying for it just pay 50 bucks for a year and forget about it wait til next year to renew it =D and theres always those 48 hour free trials things just in case

I really dont mind, 50 dollars is not that much.

well i do mind, 50$ is alot in my country.

Bought my 360 early 2006 have not spent more than $30 a year for Xbox Live.

I have been paying for LIVE since it was introduced in 02. I just canceled GOLD and dont plan on getting it again. Online play is free for my PC and the PS3 and Wii...so....I have to quit paying for for something I can do for free..

not really... I do mind when my subscription is expired and I have to go get another card, but the price doesn't bother me that much.

i dont mind at all even a kid with no job can manage to get 50 buks a year

[QUOTE="Kakalun"]

well i do mind, 50$ is alot in my country.

-SPECTER-MIKE

Well I dont care how much it is in your country. You dont have to be pissed at me because I dont mind paying for xbox live.

Damn man, chill out. I cant recall anywhere in his original post that he attacked you directly. He makes a legit point. 50 bucks somwhere else could be equal or more than 100 bucks here.

It's $70CDN, and it's not that much in the scheme of things... but in principle it's another HD console over the lifecycle of the hardware gen/or double the price of the console actual. People scoffed at the price of Sony's console @ launch, well to gold subscibers since day one (asuming they've never had to buy another one) newsflash 360 was the more expensive choice.

nah i dont mind paying for live...

It's $70CDN, and it's not that much in the scheme of things... but in principle it's another HD console over the lifecycle of the hardware gen/or double the price of the console actual. People scoffed at the price of Sony's console @ launch, well to gold subscibers since day one (asuming they've never had to buy another one) newsflash 360 was the more expensive choice.

bubnux

Wow I never thought about it like that, but yeah if you've had Live for 5 years that's another $250 on top of the price. Makes PS3 look cheap by comparison. I've stopped paying for Gold a while ago cos I focus more on pc games right now but I really begrudge having access to half my games blocked off just cos I don't want to fork out to MS.

I don'tmind, it's actually worth paying for.

I definetly mind. Ignoring the fact that we're giving MS money for not actually doing anything, it's $100 a year in aus, thats $500 over the life-span of the console. Thats assuming the gen only goes 5 years, this gen might be longer.

With online play, I'd say the 360 is probably the best console this gen, but without it, well, online play is critical to consoles,the PS3 and Wii would easilly out class the 360 regardless of anything else, well, maybe not the Wii, I love the thing for multiplayer with friends, but online really sucks...

So looking at prices, and these are Australian prices, half them for US prices if you want.

Wii: $400

PS3: $500 (was 600-700 before slim)

Xbox 360: $400 + $500 = $900

So yeah um, is your console worth $900?

the service and layout is real nice but i dont think $50 should account for it and xbox lives employees. im thinking something like $40 should be better.

I'm thinking something like $0 since every other company gives you dedicated online servers for free, vs xbox live's peer to per networking.

As for the whole sharing of achievments and community and demo's and what-not, most of it isn't even hosted by Microsoft, including all the big downloads. Steam is an equivilent system, and is completely free. So yeah, dunno what we're actually paying for with xbox live.

I'm loving my 360, prob my favourite console this generation. However, I can't get over this xbox live thing and the acceptance that "it's fun, therefore I should pay for it"

Think about it, by that logic, some random should be charging you to play football in your backyard, or jog around the block, thats fun too XD

I'm thinking something like $0 since every other company gives you dedicated online servers for free, vs xbox live's peer to per networking.

As for the whole sharing of achievments and community and demo's and what-not, most of it isn't even hosted by Microsoft, including all the big downloads. Steam is an equivilent system, and is completely free. So yeah, dunno what we're actually paying for with xbox live.

DriftRS

I'm thinking something like $0 since every other company gives you dedicated online servers for free, vs xbox live's peer to per networking.

As for the whole sharing of achievments and community and demo's and what-not, most of it isn't even hosted by Microsoft, including all the big downloads. Steam is an equivilent system, and is completely free. So yeah, dunno what we're actually paying for with xbox live.

DriftRS

I'm loving my 360, prob my favourite console this generation. However, I can't get over this xbox live thing and the acceptance that "it's fun, therefore I should pay for it"

Think about it, by that logic, some random should be charging you to play football in your backyard, or jog around the block, thats fun too XD

DriftRS

I don't see how paying for live makes no sense. It's a service. Weather the competitiors choose to not charge or not really isn't relevant.

People seem to accept paying fifteen dollars for something Like WoW every month. Not sure how having pay around four bucks a month to play any game I have on the x-box online is such bad value in comparison. I've played the Wii and it's online is terrible. I'd gladly pay twice for Live over even bother with the Wii's online for free. I heard Playstation Network isnt all that good either.

I don't see how paying for live makes no sense. It's a service. Weather the competitiors choose to not charge or not really isn't relevant.

vashkey

I don't know who told you that but I disagree, it's really just the same thing as XBL but with slightly less features. I've been using both services for years and that's just in my experience, but-

very true. the play station network if free and their servers are dedicated so everyone gets to play without the host lagging or whatnot. instead its like it should be. if you have a bad connection, you should lag, not everyone else.Gunnerman007

-not every PS3 game has dedicated servers, just a few certain ones. Though if XBL had more dedicated servers I woudln't be that bothered with the fee.

[QUOTE="vashkey"]

People seem to accept paying fifteen dollars for something Like WoW every month. Not sure how having pay around four bucks a month to play any game I have on the x-box online is such bad value in comparison. I've played the Wii and it's online is terrible. I'd gladly pay twice for Live over even bother with the Wii's online for free. I heard Playstation Network isnt all that good either.

I don't see how paying for live makes no sense. It's a service. Weather the competitiors choose to not charge or not really isn't relevant.

Floppy_Jim

I don't know who told you that but I disagree, it's really just the same thing as XBL but with slightly less features. I've been using both services for years and that's just in my experience, but-

well it's $50 i would rather keep in the bank... but i don't mind. it's worth it.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"]

People seem to accept paying fifteen dollars for something Like WoW every month. Not sure how having pay around four bucks a month to play any game I have on the x-box online is such bad value in comparison. I've played the Wii and it's online is terrible. I'd gladly pay twice for Live over even bother with the Wii's online for free. I heard Playstation Network isnt all that good either.

I don't see how paying for live makes no sense. It's a service. Weather the competitiors choose to not charge or not really isn't relevant.

vashkey

I don't know who told you that but I disagree, it's really just the same thing as XBL but with slightly less features. I've been using both services for years and that's just in my experience, but-

Vashkey, you seem to be misunderstanding a few things about how online play works.

"People seem to accept paying fifteen dollars for something Like WoW every month"

For WoW, your paying for updates to the game world which happens constantly, and your paying for the servers which have to contain millions of players simultaneously. With XBox Live, there is no 'world" being updated, each game is controlled by it's own developer, not MS, so there isn't even any server hosting. Infact, there isn't any server hosting by the developers either as it's all P2P.Further, on XBox Live, your still paying subscription fees to play mmorpgs... So I kinda don't get your comparison.

"Not sure how having pay around four bucks a month to play any game I have on the x-box online is such bad value in comparison."

Because there is no comparison. These are two totally different services. Trying to think of an example, it's like... you buy a PC, thenthe company you bought it fromstarts charging you a monthly fee. They defend thier stance by saying "well, those rental people charge monthly fees, and thier PC's arn't as powerful as this!". So yeah, that kinda makes no sense in the same way as this.

"Most Wii games don't even support voice chat"

Voice chat has nothing to do with MS either. Does Microsoft charge a subscription when you decide to use a headset on PC? Of course not, thats just silly, so why do you think developers supporting voice chat on a console should be any different? The lag is the same issue. I suspect Nintendo's architecture just sucks, Microsoft have nothing to do with the XBox 360 game servers, as it's all P2P. The lack of lag is simply due to good coding, nothing on-going from MS that deserves a monthly fee.

So yeah, in conclusion, this whole paying to play online thing is just silly.

[QUOTE="Kakalun"]

well i do mind, 50$ is alot in my country.

-SPECTER-MIKE

Well I dont care how much it is in your country. You dont have to be pissed at me because I dont mind paying for xbox live.

I definetly mind. Ignoring the fact that we're giving MS money for not actually doing anything,

DriftRS

That is just wrong. The money we pay for Xbox Live goes into development and marketing deals. Because we pay, Microsoft is able to have a much faster development cycle than Sony or Nintendo AND they land marketing deals with companies like Netflix. If people paid for PSN, Home would have been out much faster and been much better. Paying for Xbox Live is exactly why it will always be ahead of the competition.

[QUOTE="DriftRS"]

I'm thinking something like $0 since every other company gives you dedicated online servers for free, vs xbox live's peer to per networking.

As for the whole sharing of achievments and community and demo's and what-not, most of it isn't even hosted by Microsoft, including all the big downloads. Steam is an equivilent system, and is completely free. So yeah, dunno what we're actually paying for with xbox live.

Gunnerman007

I'm thinking something like $0 since every other company gives you dedicated online servers for free, vs xbox live's peer to per networking.

As for the whole sharing of achievments and community and demo's and what-not, most of it isn't even hosted by Microsoft, including all the big downloads. Steam is an equivilent system, and is completely free. So yeah, dunno what we're actually paying for with xbox live.

DriftRS

I mind. It's kind of disappointing to be the only console to have to pay for a fee for online play. Especially since PC Gamers not only get better online play, but they also get more free content. KHAndAnime

I definetly mind. Ignoring the fact that we're giving MS money for not actually doing anything, it's $100 a year in aus, thats $500 over the life-span of the console. Thats assuming the gen only goes 5 years, this gen might be longer.

With online play, I'd say the 360 is probably the best console this gen, but without it, well, online play is critical to consoles,the PS3 and Wii would easilly out class the 360 regardless of anything else, well, maybe not the Wii, I love the thing for multiplayer with friends, but online really sucks...

So looking at prices, and these are Australian prices, half them for US prices if you want.

Wii: $400

PS3: $500 (was 600-700 before slim)

Xbox 360: $400 + $500 = $900

So yeah um, is your console worth $900?

DriftRS

I definetly mind. Ignoring the fact that we're giving MS money for not actually doing anything, it's $100 a year in aus, thats $500 over the life-span of the console. Thats assuming the gen only goes 5 years, this gen might be longer.

With online play, I'd say the 360 is probably the best console this gen, but without it, well, online play is critical to consoles,the PS3 and Wii would easilly out class the 360 regardless of anything else, well, maybe not the Wii, I love the thing for multiplayer with friends, but online really sucks...

So looking at prices, and these are Australian prices, half them for US prices if you want.

Wii: $400

PS3: $500 (was 600-700 before slim)

Xbox 360: $400 + $500 = $900

So yeah um, is your console worth $900?

DriftRS

When it comes to online network service...Microsoft has got that ON LOCK, so I don't mind paying for it.

Voice chat has nothing to do with MS either. Does Microsoft charge a subscription when you decide to use a headset on PC? Of course not, thats just silly, so why do you think developers supporting voice chat on a console should be any different? The lag is the same issue. I suspect Nintendo's architecture just sucks, Microsoft have nothing to do with the XBox 360 game servers, as it's all P2P. The lack of lag is simply due to good coding, nothing on-going from MS that deserves a monthly fee.

So yeah, in conclusion, this whole paying to play online thing is just silly.

DriftRS

I believe there are about 4 or 5 games on XBL that have dedicated servers; I just can't remember which ones they are. I also don't think you're, or me for that matter, are fully aware of what all of the costs are to Microsoft so to say the money isn't worth it is quite the assumption.

I have been paying for LIVE since it was introduced in 02. I just canceled GOLD and dont plan on getting it again. Online play is free for my PC and the PS3 and Wii...so....I have to quit paying for for something I can do for free..

FunkyHeadHunter

I don't mind paying for Live, I think it's worth it. And for those in other countries that have to pay more: TS, find another hobby then. How about books? Are those cheap enough for you?

i dont mind paying $3.84 a month for an online service

if we all didnt pay, live would be just as crappy as playstation home or whatever the Wii's got

i dont mind paying $3.84 a month for an online service

if we all didnt pay, live would be just as crappy as playstation home or whatever the Wii's got

H_U_R_D

I really get annoyed at people talking down about PS3 online service. I have played it. And its less laggy and less annoying "kids,thug wannabes, cursing,loud music playing through the mic, and all around idiots"..LIVE has become nothing more then a playgound for kids/immature people and the like..Sorry, but its true.

I pay for Live, but I'm also on the PSN, and no it does not bother me that i have to pay $50 per year for Live. It's such a negligible amount and I pay it once and then don't have to worry about it all year.

would it be nice if it were free? YEAH, but this is the real world we live in, and you pay for everything one way or another.