I don't understand why Gears is as popular as it is

set aside all the lag and BS in that game and you got yourself maybe the best game out for the X360 so far.STARXWOLF

Gears really disappointed me. I heard lots of good things about it, but then when I played it, I realised that it was actually bull****. Multiplayer was terrible. The health system and combat system make one big mess. You shoot a person for ages but he doesn't die, and in the end he just does a roll or flip to cover and kills you. And how can you do big flips when you can't even do a small jump?

The game seems completely based on blood and guts and has no point except killing.

Jumping wasn't implemented because soldiers in real life do not go jumping around all over the place like a damn bunny rabbit (like in Halo, COD, TF2 and just about every other shooter). Epic actually said this was the reason. When talking about the MP, I don't play it and wouldn't really know but the campaign and horde mode is a lot of fun.Lance_Kalzas

Sounds like BS to me.

The soldiers can run for an unlimited amount of time, reload and ridiculously fast speeds, leap 5 feet in front of them without having to gain momentum, yet jumping isn't in the game because real soldiers don't jump? It just sounds like a lame excuse to me. Why even base something as trivial as jumping because it 'isn't realistic', when the game isn't realistic in any other aspect?

Sounds like BS to me.MadVybz

Do you mean that Epic said so, or that the reason itself is BS? 'Cause in Cliffy B's intro in the Gears manual, he mentions jumping as something that had "felt alien to him" in shooters in recent years.

The soldiers can run for an unlimited amount of time, reload and ridiculously fast speeds, leap 5 feet in front of them without having to gain momentum, yet jumping isn't in the game because real soldiers don't jump? It just sounds like a lame excuse to me. Why even base something as trivial as jumping because it 'isn't realistic', when the game isn't realistic in any other aspect?

MadVybz

Oh great, the "realism" in shooters thing again. I always think the same thing when I read this: How would you know? What do you do for a living? Change "realism" to "sty|e of shooter," and there you go. Epic wanted Gears to be a departure from games like Quake and Unreal. In that sense, it is more realistic (had a different sty|e) than their previous games.

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]Sounds like BS to me.Palantas

Do you mean that Epic said so, or that the reason itself is BS? 'Cause in Cliffy B's intro in the Gears manual, he mentions jumping as something that had "felt alien to him" in shooters in recent years.

The soldiers can run for an unlimited amount of time, reload and ridiculously fast speeds, leap 5 feet in front of them without having to gain momentum, yet jumping isn't in the game because real soldiers don't jump? It just sounds like a lame excuse to me. Why even base something as trivial as jumping because it 'isn't realistic', when the game isn't realistic in any other aspect?

MadVybz

Oh great, the "realism" in shooters thing again. I always think the same thing when I read this: How would you know? What do you do for a living? Change "realism" to "sty|e of shooter," and there you go. Epic wanted Gears to be a departure from games like Quake and Unreal. In that sense, it is more realistic (had a different sty|e) than their previous games.

No, I'm not your typical Epic hater, it just sounds weird to me that there's no jumping in Gears because 'soldiers in real life do not go jumping around all over the place like a damn bunny rabbit'

And the only reason why I brought realism into the topic, is because of the exact same statement made by the guy I was quoting.

I for one enjoyed gears of war. I had a good single player campaign, A unique way of playing a shooter and one of the best co-op games out there. I have'nt played competitive multiplayer but that to me makes me understand why gears of war is popular today.

the online can be frustrating with those cheaters, hopefully TU5 will fix that

[QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"]

Jumping wasn't implemented because soldiers in real life do not go jumping around all over the place like a damn bunny rabbit (like in Halo, COD, TF2 and just about every other shooter). Epic actually said this was the reason. When talking about the MP, I don't play it and wouldn't really know but the campaign and horde mode is a lot of fun.

Sounds like BS to me.

The soldiers can run for an unlimited amount of time, reload and ridiculously fast speeds, leap 5 feet in front of them without having to gain momentum, yet jumping isn't in the game because real soldiers don't jump? It just sounds like a lame excuse to me. Why even base something as trivial as jumping because it 'isn't realistic', when the game isn't realistic in any other aspect?

I got that game last November and at first I was like "HOLY CRAP THIS GAME IS AWESOME! LOOK AT ALL THE GORE! THIS CHAINSAW BAYONET IS SWEET!" Then later that day I hooked up to the internet and made a live account. The multiplayer was pretty crappy because you got 1 life and if you died you didn't respawn. Then after about a week I just got sick and tired of the game because it seemed like the entire game was based around testosterone, masculinity, and gore.

The_Dowell

Jumping wasn't implemented because soldiers in real life do not go jumping around all over the place like a damn bunny rabbit (like in Halo, COD, TF2 and just about every other shooter). Epic actually said this was the reason. When talking about the MP, I don't play it and wouldn't really know but the campaign and horde mode is a lot of fun.N7v1K0

jumping was elliminated for realism but you can continuously do barrel rolls with shot guns, LOL!! :P

The first Gears of War I found to be quite excellent. The shooting/cover mechanic wasn't something I'd seen before and the co-op mode was incredibly fun. Then I played and finished the second game earlier this year and grew to hate it. The level design is very good and it mostly gives you an opportunity to flank your enemies and keep you on your toes but the pacing is all wrong. You need calm moments to make the all-out action moments as intense as they are but the game just throws constant action in your face and it becomes a little overwhelming and predictable. If I'm doing the same thing over and over then I'm just going to get bored. Nearly all of the vehicle sections are plain bad and unsatisfying and then there's the horrible art design. I know they're trying to create a moody, atmospheric world to reflect the oppression of the war, which I'm in favour of but it's such a bland, blocky world.

That said, Gears has fantastic mechanics which makes all the mindless co-op modes great but I don't think Epic games can piece together a coherent single player campaign.

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"]

Jumping wasn't implemented because soldiers in real life do not go jumping around all over the place like a damn bunny rabbit (like in Halo, COD, TF2 and just about every other shooter). Epic actually said this was the reason. When talking about the MP, I don't play it and wouldn't really know but the campaign and horde mode is a lot of fun.khoimichael

Sounds like BS to me.

The soldiers can run for an unlimited amount of time, reload and ridiculously fast speeds, leap 5 feet in front of them without having to gain momentum, yet jumping isn't in the game because real soldiers don't jump? It just sounds like a lame excuse to me. Why even base something as trivial as jumping because it 'isn't realistic', when the game isn't realistic in any other aspect?

You obviously don't understand what I'm getting at.

You can do unlimited barrel rolls and run for as long as you want with no effort and all this other crap in the game, but you can't jump because real soldiers don't jump. Sounds contradictory? Sure does to me.

I'm talking about how Epic creates a game like Gears Of War but Cliffy B. supposedly says that there's no jumping because a real soldier wouldn't do that.

I'm not ripping on Gears because it isn't realistic. You really think I'm not aware of the fact that video games aren't a source of realism? -_-"

Hmmm,

1. I don't understand what the problem is? It's just a game.
2. If there are certain features you don't like then don't play the game.
3. Not all games will cater to everyone.
4. It's a frakkin' game of fiction. Once you understand that, then who cares why its popular with some and not others.

Sheesh!

[QUOTE="khoimichael"][QUOTE="MadVybz"]

Sounds like BS to me.

The soldiers can run for an unlimited amount of time, reload and ridiculously fast speeds, leap 5 feet in front of them without having to gain momentum, yet jumping isn't in the game because real soldiers don't jump? It just sounds like a lame excuse to me. Why even base something as trivial as jumping because it 'isn't realistic', when the game isn't realistic in any other aspect?

MadVybz

You obviously don't understand what I'm getting at.

You can do unlimited barrel rolls and run for as long as you want with no effort and all this other crap in the game, but you can't jump because real soldiers don't jump. Sounds contradictory? Sure does to me.

I'm talking about how Epic creates a game like Gears Of War but Cliffy B. supposedly says that there's no jumping because a real soldier wouldn't do that.

I'm not ripping on Gears because it isn't realistic. You really think I'm not aware of the fact that video games aren't a source of realism? -_-"

I only said that because I remember Cliff saying something about soldiers not jumping. I wouldn't know if that's true or not because...well I'm not a soldier.Lance_Kalzas

I am a soldier, and I've used my elite army skills to read the foreword in the Gears manual. Here's the exact text, to which you might be referring:

Perhaps it was then that I thought about how most shooters play. They're not like real firefights. Circle strafing, jumping around -- these elements have felt alien to me for the last few years.Cliffy B

Apparently, Mr. Bleszinski played paintball, and wanted to make shooters more real.

...I don't see them running for unlimited distances either. I do want to note in Gears 1, you couldn't run for unlimited distances but you've always been able to do unlimited barrel rolls. I think they included the running because of that stage in the giant worm.Lance_Kalzas

You don't run for unlimited distances in Gears, as Gears does not contain infinite levels or treadmills. You never run any significant length in either Gears title without stopping for a firefight, cutscene, or level obstacle. Real soldiers can run from place to place without dropping dead. I would assume the COG's physical training program for Gears includes cardio in addition to massive steroid consumption.

I think they included the running because of that stage in the giant worm.Lance_Kalzas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz3nWY_fegw

I got that game last November and at first I was like "HOLY CRAP THIS GAME IS AWESOME! LOOK AT ALL THE GORE! THIS CHAINSAW BAYONET IS SWEET!" Then later that day I hooked up to the internet and made a live account. The multiplayer was pretty crappy because you got 1 life and if you died you didn't respawn. Then after about a week I just got sick and tired of the game because it seemed like the entire game was based around testosterone, masculinity, and gore.

The_Dowell