I finally discovered why so many xbox 360s fail.

Well I knew they were rushed to release the 360, i always thought cause they wanted to be at the starting line at the same time as sony.

I did a little research and found that the orignal xbox ran a Nvidia graphics card. And, guess who's contract was almost up??? Nvidia refused to renew for apparently undisclosed reasons. They rushed to get the green light on the 360's with the cards but couldn't and had to move to whoever does it now. This meant two things: Because the contract was done, the original xbox's new manufacturing was done, thus is why you can only buy them used. Secondly, it meant the 360 lost its 100% backwards compatability.

If I had known this at date of purchase (8-2-07) I would have never bought it.

Is anyone else very dissappointed by that? Typical Microsoft.

ya pretty much everyone knows about this even before the 360 came out, it has a GPU from ATI which is Nvidia's biggest rival, so no one expected it to have hardware backward compatibility, thats why MS is now using software emulators to fix it.

wow...i never knew that. thanks for the info. now i'll look at my x360 like a bastard child from now on.War_Martyr

lol

M$ used the cheapest parts for almost everything. except the processor maybe. and yeah they rushed to get it released first, to get a half year head start over sony.

I never had any xbox's or anything prior to my 360 which is now broken and wont be replaced. I hate MS. They reallly f'd the consumers.xDJxGodx

Uhh... ATI had a contract with Microsoft since 2003. Microsoft sued Nvidia in 2002 over GPU prices. Also, ATI was willing to customize a GPU for Microsoft, Nvidia isn't. For the orignal Xbox Nvidia modified a Geforce 3. For the PS3 Nvidia modified a Geforce 7900. While ATI made a completely customized GPU specfically for Microsoft for the 360 and for Nintendo on the Wii. Basically ATI offered better terms than Nvidia did. The system was rushed to be released before the PS3 and Wii but don't blame ATI for that, blame Microsoft.

The main problem is not the design of the GPU but the placement of it and the design of the 360's cooling system. Microsoft stupidly placed the GPU right under the DVD drive, by placing it there the heat that the GPU generates cannot be ventaliated, this causes the system to overheat. This design flaw still has not been fixed, btw. Also, the fans used for the cooling was too weak.

[QUOTE="War_Martyr"]wow...i never knew that. thanks for the info. now i'll look at my x360 like a bastard child from now on.killerfist

lol

M$ used the cheapest parts for almost everything. except the processor maybe. and yeah they rushed to get it released first, to get a half year head start over sony.

Is that y they were losing money when it 1st came out cause it was so cheap to make? Remeber 360 uses ddr3 for its RAM most pc still use ddr2 4 RAM and DDr3 is only 4 there GPU.

The head start wasn't necessary:oops:

1. The 360s GPU can do every function the Xbox's could, compatibility is not an issue in that respect. 2. 360s fail because they were rushed through design and manufacturing only using the absolute dirt cheap 3rd worlds parts they could find. 3. MS wants to make Money, not happy customers.teebeenz

Shake the money maker and it breaks

Well I knew they were rushed to release the 360, i always thought cause they wanted to be at the starting line at the same time as sony.

I did a little research and found that the orignal xbox ran a Nvidia graphics card. And, guess who's contract was almost up??? Nvidia refused to renew for apparently undisclosed reasons. They rushed to get the green light on the 360's with the cards but couldn't and had to move to whoever does it now. This meant two things: Because the contract was done, the original xbox's new manufacturing was done, thus is why you can only buy them used. Secondly, it meant the 360 lost its 100% backwards compatability.

If I had known this at date of purchase (8-2-07) I would have never bought it.

Is anyone else very dissappointed by that? Typical Microsoft.

xDJxGodx

So the Xbox 360 is not full B.C.

What the hell does that have to do with Xbox 360s breaking? NOTHING

You Failed horribly. You make a topic title that has nothing to do with the topic.

3. MS wants to make Money, not happy customers.teebeenz

[QUOTE="teebeenz"] 3. MS wants to make Money, not happy customers.Yo-gan

MS wants to make Money, not happy customers

[QUOTE="xDJxGodx"]I never had any xbox's or anything prior to my 360 which is now broken and wont be replaced. I hate MS. They reallly f'd the consumers.Flavour666

Its for RRoD only. everything else is 1year

[QUOTE="killerfist"]

[QUOTE="War_Martyr"]wow...i never knew that. thanks for the info. now i'll look at my x360 like a bastard child from now on.the1stfandb

lol

M$ used the cheapest parts for almost everything. except the processor maybe. and yeah they rushed to get it released first, to get a half year head start over sony.

Is that y they were losing money when it 1st came out cause it was so cheap to make? Remeber 360 uses ddr3 for its RAM most pc still use ddr2 4 RAM and DDr3 is only 4 there GPU.

The head start wasn't necessary:oops:

sorry for my bad info. never knew about the DDR3 RAM. still they were rushing it way too much. call it cheap parts or bad manufacturing.

here's an interesting read..........

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/01/the_truth_behind_the_red_ring_of_death-2.html

or

http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archives/jake_inside_source_reveal_the_truth_about_xbox_360_red_ring_of_death_failures.php

I have to wonder just what in the world goes through a person's head that squirts out the logic that simply leaving your 360 bricked is a more reasonable and effective solution to the problem then simply sending it in and getting it repaired completely free of charge? Are those few weeks of waiting really so painful that it is worth all of the money you spent enjoying your 360 simply to not have to bear the wait? I must be losing my mind because any of my friends that have RRoD'd opted to simply leave it as was and purchase a brand new one instead. I can't ever seem to get a reasonable explanation from them either as to the reasoning behind this...

edit: And yeah, as for the PS3, I imagine it's failure rate will go up in congruence with it's game library. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the biggest factor in making electronics is use....soooo as people have more reason to play it so to will it have more reason to fail :)

Well I knew they were rushed to release the 360, i always thought cause they wanted to be at the starting line at the same time as sony.

I did a little research and found that the orignal xbox ran a Nvidia graphics card. And, guess who's contract was almost up??? Nvidia refused to renew for apparently undisclosed reasons. They rushed to get the green light on the 360's with the cards but couldn't and had to move to whoever does it now. This meant two things: Because the contract was done, the original xbox's new manufacturing was done, thus is why you can only buy them used. Secondly, it meant the 360 lost its 100% backwards compatability.

If I had known this at date of purchase (8-2-07) I would have never bought it.

Is anyone else very dissappointed by that? Typical Microsoft.

xDJxGodx

So are we suggesting that Sony and Nintendo give money to the poor, save puppies from the streets, find bums under the bridge and give them jobs, and even give Nadia the fry lady at McDonalds billions of dollars because they are so much nicer than Microsoft? Give me a break. It's all about the money. Who has more of it, who wants more of it.

I'll tell you what; if I could find a restaurant supply manufacturer that wanted to sell me cheaper materials so I could turn a higher profit, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Seriously, both Microsoft and Sony made their machines for one reason, to make money. No matter how much they say 'We make our consoles for you all to enjoy' yeah sure. Im sure the local gamestores say 'We sell games for you all to enjoy', it's all for money. It just so happens that the 360 was released a little too early before it was fully tested. However, i can't wait to laugh at Sony when people find a fault in their console. The 360 may have it's RRoD, but your telling me that Sony can make a fully working top graphical machine and Microsoft cant? Some kind of fault will be found with the PS3.meconate

Gee. And I sat here thinking people developed Console systems and videogames because they actually loved doing it. Great, it's for the money now. >.> Go figure.Elann2008

EVERYTHING is about money in the end. Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft all want their money. Quit picking on Microsoft out of the bunch.

something i forgot to add in my last post.....a xbox360 is just like everything else , if you dont take care of it , it'll break....people need to realise that its not like a Super Nintendo u can just throw around and it wont break.

something i forgot to add in my last post.....a xbox360 is just like everything else , if you dont take care of it , it'll break....people need to realise that its not like a Super Nintendo u can just throw around and it wont break.

SyMBoLiCDeathxx

And I have some friends who do more than enough in taking care of their consoles. Hell, some of them are the epitome of clean and careful. Yet, their Xboxes still got the red ring. Thus in the case of the 360, it's not simply a matter of taking care of the system. It's still got a flawed design that makes it have a higher chance of failure than most average electronics.

that's nothing i haven't heard of before

wow...i never knew that. thanks for the info. now i'll look at my x360 like a bastard child from now on.War_Martyr

lol.....man thank god for this post!!