I think we should start a petition concerningthe next XBOX.

It had better...

• allow you to redownload all your XBLA titles onto the new console for FREE
• allow you to keep your gamertag/score
• be backwards compatible

There are others, but these are the absolute most important elements IMO.

I'm sure MS won't abandon the Gamertag/Gamerscore system. There is no need.

It had better...

• allow you to redownload all your XBLA titles onto the new console for FREE
• allow you to keep your gamertag/score
• be backwards compatible

There are others, but these are the absolute most important elements IMO.

Elbowsmash

well GT's and GS are obviously gonna transfer over but BC might be a tuff trick to pull off. I think people might need to say goodbye to BC in consoles. Its extremely tuff for them to pull off and can only properly be done through hardware emulation which will def jack the price of the next xbox up sky high which is something they might not want to do since it will be pretty expensive before the fact.

well GT's and GS are obviously gonna transfer over but BC might be a tuff trick to pull off. I think people might need to say goodbye to BC in consoles. Its extremely tuff for them to pull off and can only properly be done through hardware emulation which will def jack the price of the next xbox up sky high which is something they might not want to do since it will be pretty expensive before the fact.

Gen007

Exatcly. Emulating hardware requires hardware about 10x faster than the hardware bein emulated, or VERY good coding. The PS3 origianlly has a ps2 chip in it to play ps2 games, and those models were the ones that could play all ps2 games. Once they ditched the PS2 chips price dropped, but they lost BC. Computers can emulate old consoles so well because of the raw power they posses.

[QUOTE="Gen007"]

well GT's and GS are obviously gonna transfer over but BC might be a tuff trick to pull off. I think people might need to say goodbye to BC in consoles. Its extremely tuff for them to pull off and can only properly be done through hardware emulation which will def jack the price of the next xbox up sky high which is something they might not want to do since it will be pretty expensive before the fact.

hadoken

Doing hardware emulation basically means having 360 hardware in the next xbox which will make it more expensive. Sony ran into the same problem this gen with its ps2 emulation which was achieved through hardware emulation. They actually had a ps2 chip in the ps3 but it was expensive so they removed it which is why newer ps3's can only play ps1 games(which are extremely easy to emulate through software). The most likely wont do software emulation because one the next system will need to be extremely powerful to run the games properly(emulation needs much more power than just running on the original software) and there's the fact that they have to make an emulator that plays most if not all 360 games which is a massive undertaking that would require looking at each game on an individual basis. Again something that they wont be willing to do, heck they didn't even do it this gen for original xbox titles. They gave up updates early on.

Yes there are emulators for consoles on PC but how many them are actually good. Last time i checked the ps2 and xbox ones are awful and basically dont work for 99% of games. Only the gamecube has a decent emulator that still dosent play most games plus it requires PC much more powerful than a gamecube to get decent emulation. This emulation gap has only gotten bigger with this gen. These systems are way more complex then last gen ones and give way harder to emulate then last gen consoles which i remind you still arent emulated properly for the most part.

If Microsoft got rid of game scores that would be so funny, coz all the fanatics would be pulling their hair out..lol

[QUOTE="hadoken"][QUOTE="Gen007"]

well GT's and GS are obviously gonna transfer over but BC might be a tuff trick to pull off. I think people might need to say goodbye to BC in consoles. Its extremely tuff for them to pull off and can only properly be done through hardware emulation which will def jack the price of the next xbox up sky high which is something they might not want to do since it will be pretty expensive before the fact.

Gen007

Doing hardware emulation basically means having 360 hardware in the next xbox which will make it more expensive. Sony ran into the same problem this gen with its ps2 emulation which was achieved through hardware emulation. They actually had a ps2 chip in the ps3 but it was expensive so they removed it which is why newer ps3's can only play ps1 games(which are extremely easy to emulate through software). The most likely wont do software emulation because one the next system will need to be extremely powerful to run the games properly(emulation needs much more power than just running on the original software) and there's the fact that they have to make an emulator that plays most if not all 360 games which is a massive undertaking that would require looking at each game on an individual basis. Again something that they wont be willing to do, heck they didn't even do it this gen for original xbox titles. They gave up updates early on.

Yes there are emulators for consoles on PC but how many them are actually good. Last time i checked the ps2 and xbox ones are awful and basically dont work for 99% of games. Only the gamecube has a decent emulator that still dosent play most games plus it requires PC much more powerful than a gamecube to get decent emulation. This emulation gap has only gotten bigger with this gen. These systems are way more complex then last gen ones and give way harder to emulate then last gen consoles which i remind you still arent emulated properly for the most part.

[QUOTE="penpusher"] Personaly i think youre being a bit optimistic with that view point. If the hardware cost was what made sony remove it why MS remove their software emulation from the 360? And nintendo remove theirs from the already cheap as chips wii? Because they decided it was hurting sales of current gen games, thats all, it was money plain and simplemagicalclick

Technically, MS did not removed their software emulation. They stopped expending BC list, doesn't mean you can not play KOTOR on Xbox360 anymore. And honestly, no one really plays BC games when they stopped expending the list, also they already have most of high profile games in the BC list. Continue to expending the BC list is rather pointless. Another big reason is, you can hardly buy those Xbox games in the stores. Why even bother to have it BC when you cannot even buy it anymore?

[QUOTE="Gen007"]

[QUOTE="hadoken"] why would that jack up the price so much? you can download emulators on PC in 2 seconds for any console except the current gen onespenpusher

Doing hardware emulation basically means having 360 hardware in the next xbox which will make it more expensive. Sony ran into the same problem this gen with its ps2 emulation which was achieved through hardware emulation. They actually had a ps2 chip in the ps3 but it was expensive so they removed it which is why newer ps3's can only play ps1 games(which are extremely easy to emulate through software). The most likely wont do software emulation because one the next system will need to be extremely powerful to run the games properly(emulation needs much more power than just running on the original software) and there's the fact that they have to make an emulator that plays most if not all 360 games which is a massive undertaking that would require looking at each game on an individual basis. Again something that they wont be willing to do, heck they didn't even do it this gen for original xbox titles. They gave up updates early on.

Yes there are emulators for consoles on PC but how many them are actually good. Last time i checked the ps2 and xbox ones are awful and basically dont work for 99% of games. Only the gamecube has a decent emulator that still dosent play most games plus it requires PC much more powerful than a gamecube to get decent emulation. This emulation gap has only gotten bigger with this gen. These systems are way more complex then last gen ones and give way harder to emulate then last gen consoles which i remind you still arent emulated properly for the most part.

MS never removed software emulation they just stopped working on adding new titles though. Til this day you can still play BC compatible xbox games on the 360. Sony really did do it to cut production costs of the ps3. They were really losing a lot of money early on cutting the BC helped them to actually turn a profit. Also im pretty sure the wii does hardware emulation as it is 100% BC as far as i know which is pretty much unheard of with software emulation. Nintendo cut it once again to save money or in other words make more money from each unit sold.

Most people have already adapted this gen and last gen games are in no way shap or form hurting sales for the current generation of games. The cuts are and always will be about money.

It had better...

• allow you to redownload all your XBLA titles onto the new console for FREE
• allow you to keep your gamertag/score
• be backwards compatible

There are others, but these are the absolute most important elements IMO.

Elbowsmash

I think your worries are unnecessary! Those are all things Microsoft will do unless they've lost it.

It had better...

• allow you to redownload all your XBLA titles onto the new console for FREE
• allow you to keep your gamertag/score
• be backwards compatible

There are others, but these are the absolute most important elements IMO.

Elbowsmash

• Drop kinect

I find it strange so many people are ok with loosing backwards compatibility, for me, it's very important I own a PS3 and 360, but i'm also forced to own a PS2 and original xbox because of the lack of BCohthemanatee

im not ok with it but i understand that it really might not be feasible to include it.

I'm sure they'll continue on-trend.

I'd be floored if it bringing your GamerTag across wasn't the first feature they list when they send out their product press release for the new model.

Also, Sony copped a fair bit of flack from gamers by making the PS3 not backwards compatible (I'm not sure if it is now but for a long while it wasn't) so I'm certain Microsoft will overlap the 360 games with their new model as they did with the 'Original' games.

My thing is, when a new system comesout, I want it to physically take the place of the last one (a big problem I had with the PS3).

In other words, when the next XBOX comes out, I wat everything that I invested in on the 360 to carry over to it. I don't want to havemultple XBOXs stacked up beneath my television. We should be at a point technology-wise where this should be no problem.

It worries me because I have a lot of XBLA games. I have invested a lot of money in them. I don't see how MS will let me redownload all of them onto a new console, thus duplicating the actual number of titles I have (basically x2).

The only other option would be to just have the HD move overto the new console.

Right?

the new consoles should just run on sd cards. imagine it. as time progresses the memory will only increase. then they would never have issues with space, simply because as the games get bigger so do the memory units. publishers could release small games like nba on 20 gb memory card. and games like gta and skyrim would come on 60 gb memory cards. this would also settle the dispute of whether xbox should run bluray. and last but not least, this would also leave room for more than one port. so you could leave like six games in your console at the same time without having to take them out, because the space taken by an sd card slot is extremely small, this would be possible