I've been wondering this for a while now. I think they've probably lost me, but do other people feel the same? They've completely abandoned first party exclusives, the very thing that made them the leader in this generation of consoles, to focus on gimmicky kinect and dashboard apps; things that I am not interested in at all. Why do I need ESPN on my xbox when I can just change my tv's input and watch it there? Most of the apps that they've put out are availiable on a plethora of other devices with better functionality. And while it showed promise, it's pretty obvious that kinect has just been turned into a gimmick. There are still only 3-4 good games for it and while kinect functionality in Mass Effect and Skyrim is kinda neat it really doesn't add anything that couldn't already be accomplished by a simple button press. Now at this E3 we see nothing new from MS. Sure, Halo 4 looks cool but it's the 4th Halo shooter on the Xbox 360. Same with the new Gears. So unless MS really shows me something before the launch of the next xbox, I'll probably be migrating to the next sony console. How do you all feel? Will you stay loyal to MS for the next console generation?
Is MS completely abandoning their core consumers?
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Seems like it.
I understand, but MS is really pushing to be the supreme multimedia device. Simply playing games on the console does not equate to being the "all-in-one" box MS is aiming to be.
It is really disappointing to me just simply because I bought an xbox TO PLAY GAMES! They must think that the change is going to be profitable in the long-run, but, at least now, the xbox still has the stigma as a video game console and will typically only draw people that are interested in video games.
Sony and Nintendo both have media on their consoles too.
xhawk27
Yeah, but they're both pushing first party exclusive games, and MS really isn't. I mean, what's the last new IP that MS released? It's probably Gears of War or Alan Wake. There is nothing new from MS, just the same game with a bigger number at the end of the title.
I think I will give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being. MS have been a great company with great products for a long time. I think it's too early to say that they're abandoning all of us hardcore gamers. There's still going to be great games coming to Xbox this gen, and remember that basically nothing has been announced for Next Gen yet.
An all-in-on media device is a good business decision for them and once they've perfected it there is no reason that they won't start pushing 1st party exclusives again. I personally am quite happy about all the content that gets pushed through XBL these days and I'd like to see more, especially if it falls under my existing subscription.
Kinect I am not so sure about (haven't bought one), but like that article on GS said; it needs to come included with the 720, it needs to be HD and there need to be some damn good games released for it.
Halo 4 is the only reason I'm not completely abandoning this sinking ship of a console but once I've had my time with it it's going to be adios more than likely. Halo will be missed but I don't feel why I should spend my cash on paying £3-400 on a brand new console just to play a new Halo every couple of years. When I saw the new Gears of War I just knew they are at a dead end with this console and probably the Xbox as a whole idea the fact that they are needing to make prequels of game to fill the gaps until their sequels instead of making brand new IP's is terrible.
It just seems like MS fixates on industry leaders and attempts to copy them. They copied Nintendo on the causal, motion controlled games and now it seems like they're trying to copy apple (or maybe nintendo again) with the whole smart glass thing. They've added so many apps that their average customer will never use, because most people buy a console to play games. Sure, netflix and a bunch of the other apps are nice, but my TV and blu-ray player also have many of the same apps with better functionality. It's just sad that they don't realize that they got their lead over PS3 because early on, xbox 360 is where the games were. Now PS3 has closed the gap significantly, and if MS continues this way I think they'll find themselves back in third place in the next generation.
It seems that way. They seem more focused than ever on making the ultimate media machine. I know Sony and Nintendo have the same sort of things going on in the way of apps, tv etc, but MS are taking it to the extreme. The other companies are offering these things as an added bonus on the side, whereas MS are focusing too heavily on them as one of the sole reasons you should invest in them.
If they carry on this way and peddle the same franchises next gen, I can't see myself buying their next console until years down the road when they're dirt cheap, if I even buy one at all. Gears, Forza, Halo, I enjoy these franchises but I want something fresh and new. They're all MS has to rely on now and that's only going to take them so far. I am hoping MS is just preparing for its next console and will unveil new exclusives down the road. and that all this is just the last hurrah for the 360. But who knows.
Yes Microsoft has indeed adandoned the core consumers of Xb0ox 360. Since the core gaming population is not very large to begin with. So reaching out to casual markets for Kinect and smart glass stuff. Will make Microsoft money. Since they want Xbox 360 to be an all in one multimedia device. Not just videogames. Core gamers are a small group to begin with. Casual/other demographics are larger.
So yep MS is abandoning core gamers.
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Vari3ty
But I think this is what all companies want, to be able spread across to all kinds of individuals, I say congrats to them and good luck.Yes Microsoft has indeed adandoned the core consumers of Xb0ox 360. Since the core gaming population is not very large to begin with. So reaching out to casual markets for Kinect and smart glass stuff. Will make Microsoft money. Since they want Xbox 360 to be an all in one multimedia device. Not just videogames. Core gamers are a small group to begin with. Casual/other demographics are larger.
So yep MS is abandoning core gamers.
Megavideogamer
Why would you make this thread after MS showed more games at E3 (and more exclusive games at e3) then Sony and NINTENDO? Also how did they abandon First-party? They still have the usual as well as 2 others, 1 for Kinect, but here' another thing you guys never look at, and I know you're bias for Ps3 or Wii or whatever: If you combine all the sales and rating of the exclusives of MS, Nintendo, and Sony FP or not, MS wins. Most exclusive games FP and TP are indeed usually involving MSstudios publishing the game. This means that if you actually brought MS exclusives all the way up to 2011, you would still have a bit of backlog left, and you would finish it around Halo 4 came out just in time for the next Xbox. Wii has a standards problem, but most exclusives on it FP and TP are the least rated of the 3 consoles. Sony has badly positioned itself for around 3 or so years, and didn't start pumping out exclusives at a pace till 2010, but end of 2010-2011 is when they put out what you could say the most quality and quantuity of games, but most likely, you would if any, have about 2 games on the backlog. This means that you never had interest in MS exclusives in the first place.I've been wondering this for a while now. I think they've probably lost me, but do other people feel the same? They've completely abandoned first party exclusives, the very thing that made them the leader in this generation of consoles, to focus on gimmicky kinect and dashboard apps; things that I am not interested in at all. Why do I need ESPN on my xbox when I can just change my tv's input and watch it there? Most of the apps that they've put out are availiable on a plethora of other devices with better functionality. And while it showed promise, it's pretty obvious that kinect has just been turned into a gimmick. There are still only 3-4 good games for it and while kinect functionality in Mass Effect and Skyrim is kinda neat it really doesn't add anything that couldn't already be accomplished by a simple button press. Now at this E3 we see nothing new from MS. Sure, Halo 4 looks cool but it's the 4th Halo shooter on the Xbox 360. Same with the new Gears. So unless MS really shows me something before the launch of the next xbox, I'll probably be migrating to the next sony console. How do you all feel? Will you stay loyal to MS for the next console generation?
bessy67
[QUOTE="bessy67"]Why would you make this thread after MS showed more games at E3 (and more exclusive games at e3) then Sony and NINTENDO? Also how did they abandon First-party? They still have the usual as well as 2 others, 1 for Kinect, but here' another thing you guys never look at, and I know you're bias for Ps3 or Wii or whatever: If you combine all the sales and rating of the exclusives of MS, Nintendo, and Sony FP or not, MS wins. Most exclusive games FP and TP are indeed usually involving MSstudios publishing the game. This means that if you actually brought MS exclusives all the way up to 2011, you would still have a bit of backlog left, and you would finish it around Halo 4 came out just in time for the next Xbox. Wii has a standards problem, but most exclusives on it FP and TP are the least rated of the 3 consoles. Sony has badly positioned itself for around 3 or so years, and didn't start pumping out exclusives at a pace till 2010, but end of 2010-2011 is when they put out what you could say the most quality and quantuity of games, but most likely, you would if any, have about 2 games on the backlog. This means that you never had interest in MS exclusives in the first place. Lol false. You can only beat the Gears/Halo/Forza horse for so long. Where is the creativity?I've been wondering this for a while now. I think they've probably lost me, but do other people feel the same? They've completely abandoned first party exclusives, the very thing that made them the leader in this generation of consoles, to focus on gimmicky kinect and dashboard apps; things that I am not interested in at all. Why do I need ESPN on my xbox when I can just change my tv's input and watch it there? Most of the apps that they've put out are availiable on a plethora of other devices with better functionality. And while it showed promise, it's pretty obvious that kinect has just been turned into a gimmick. There are still only 3-4 good games for it and while kinect functionality in Mass Effect and Skyrim is kinda neat it really doesn't add anything that couldn't already be accomplished by a simple button press. Now at this E3 we see nothing new from MS. Sure, Halo 4 looks cool but it's the 4th Halo shooter on the Xbox 360. Same with the new Gears. So unless MS really shows me something before the launch of the next xbox, I'll probably be migrating to the next sony console. How do you all feel? Will you stay loyal to MS for the next console generation?
Another48h0urs
[QUOTE="Another48h0urs"][QUOTE="bessy67"]Why would you make this thread after MS showed more games at E3 (and more exclusive games at e3) then Sony and NINTENDO? Also how did they abandon First-party? They still have the usual as well as 2 others, 1 for Kinect, but here' another thing you guys never look at, and I know you're bias for Ps3 or Wii or whatever: If you combine all the sales and rating of the exclusives of MS, Nintendo, and Sony FP or not, MS wins. Most exclusive games FP and TP are indeed usually involving MSstudios publishing the game. This means that if you actually brought MS exclusives all the way up to 2011, you would still have a bit of backlog left, and you would finish it around Halo 4 came out just in time for the next Xbox. Wii has a standards problem, but most exclusives on it FP and TP are the least rated of the 3 consoles. Sony has badly positioned itself for around 3 or so years, and didn't start pumping out exclusives at a pace till 2010, but end of 2010-2011 is when they put out what you could say the most quality and quantuity of games, but most likely, you would if any, have about 2 games on the backlog. This means that you never had interest in MS exclusives in the first place. Lol false. You can only beat the Gears/Halo/Forza horse for so long. Where is the creativity? It's not false, and where are the PS3 games this year? I see AC and BLACKOPS downgrades for the Vita which are not new. I see Wonderbook, I see a bunch of delayed games that have not come out yet, and I see Sly 4. MS showed over 5 games not related to H/G/F and Fable which people ignore here, and 2 Kinect games. Not only that, but why are you ignoring the games that aren't Halo Gears or Forza? the only reason why you are not playing anything outside those games is because you limit yourself to games that score 7.5 or above, or they have to have 5 sequels each. One thing I always laugh at is I already killed what you said in one sentence, because people that think that all the Xbox has is Forza, gears, and Halo completely foret Fable and as soon as someone lists Fable your argument crumbles. Which is also a series 7.5 and above. So I wonder why you don't like it?I've been wondering this for a while now. I think they've probably lost me, but do other people feel the same? They've completely abandoned first party exclusives, the very thing that made them the leader in this generation of consoles, to focus on gimmicky kinect and dashboard apps; things that I am not interested in at all. Why do I need ESPN on my xbox when I can just change my tv's input and watch it there? Most of the apps that they've put out are availiable on a plethora of other devices with better functionality. And while it showed promise, it's pretty obvious that kinect has just been turned into a gimmick. There are still only 3-4 good games for it and while kinect functionality in Mass Effect and Skyrim is kinda neat it really doesn't add anything that couldn't already be accomplished by a simple button press. Now at this E3 we see nothing new from MS. Sure, Halo 4 looks cool but it's the 4th Halo shooter on the Xbox 360. Same with the new Gears. So unless MS really shows me something before the launch of the next xbox, I'll probably be migrating to the next sony console. How do you all feel? Will you stay loyal to MS for the next console generation?
Spellingiscool
So Doing what Sony does is bad? Not only that, but if you played Gears 1 it would HAVE TO have a sequel. I also don't believe that you have a time machine to say the 720 will have no exclusive FP when 10 of their 12 studios are working on games and none are announced for the 360... Could it be for the 720? Must not be since we have the guy from the future here, let's clap everyone! Kiddoom, making up thin- i mean my ad, the knowledgeable lad from the future. Can I see your crystal ball? You don't have one? Oh.Halo 4 is the only reason I'm not completely abandoning this sinking ship of a console but once I've had my time with it it's going to be adios more than likely. Halo will be missed but I don't feel why I should spend my cash on paying £3-400 on a brand new console just to play a new Halo every couple of years. When I saw the new Gears of War I just knew they are at a dead end with this console and probably the Xbox as a whole idea the fact that they are needing to make prequels of game to fill the gaps until their sequels instead of making brand new IP's is terrible.
kiddoom93
[QUOTE="Spellingiscool"][QUOTE="Another48h0urs"] Why would you make this thread after MS showed more games at E3 (and more exclusive games at e3) then Sony and NINTENDO? Also how did they abandon First-party? They still have the usual as well as 2 others, 1 for Kinect, but here' another thing you guys never look at, and I know you're bias for Ps3 or Wii or whatever: If you combine all the sales and rating of the exclusives of MS, Nintendo, and Sony FP or not, MS wins. Most exclusive games FP and TP are indeed usually involving MSstudios publishing the game. This means that if you actually brought MS exclusives all the way up to 2011, you would still have a bit of backlog left, and you would finish it around Halo 4 came out just in time for the next Xbox. Wii has a standards problem, but most exclusives on it FP and TP are the least rated of the 3 consoles. Sony has badly positioned itself for around 3 or so years, and didn't start pumping out exclusives at a pace till 2010, but end of 2010-2011 is when they put out what you could say the most quality and quantuity of games, but most likely, you would if any, have about 2 games on the backlog. This means that you never had interest in MS exclusives in the first place.Another48h0ursLol false. You can only beat the Gears/Halo/Forza horse for so long. Where is the creativity? It's not false, and where are the PS3 games this year? I see AC and BLACKOPS downgrades for the Vita which are not new. I see Wonderbook, I see a bunch of delayed games that have not come out yet, and I see Sly 4. MS showed over 5 games not related to H/G/F and Fable which people ignore here, and 2 Kinect games. Not only that, but why are you ignoring the games that aren't Halo Gears or Forza? the only reason why you are not playing anything outside those games is because you limit yourself to games that score 7.5 or above, or they have to have 5 sequels each. One thing I always laugh at is I already killed what you said in one sentence, because people that think that all the Xbox has is Forza, gears, and Halo completely foret Fable and as soon as someone lists Fable your argument crumbles. Which is also a series 7.5 and above. So I wonder why you don't like it?
Halo, Forza, and Gears have been beaten to death already. Fable has been reduced the The Journey.
The PS3 doesn't have anything to do with this. Microsoft has been content to milk the four exclusives it has and produce next to nothing else, other than Kinect garbage. Meanwhile they continue to waste money on timed exclusives like month early COD DLC.
It's not false, and where are the PS3 games this year? I see AC and BLACKOPS downgrades for the Vita which are not new. I see Wonderbook, I see a bunch of delayed games that have not come out yet, and I see Sly 4. MS showed over 5 games not related to H/G/F and Fable which people ignore here, and 2 Kinect games. Not only that, but why are you ignoring the games that aren't Halo Gears or Forza? the only reason why you are not playing anything outside those games is because you limit yourself to games that score 7.5 or above, or they have to have 5 sequels each. One thing I always laugh at is I already killed what you said in one sentence, because people that think that all the Xbox has is Forza, gears, and Halo completely foret Fable and as soon as someone lists Fable your argument crumbles. Which is also a series 7.5 and above. So I wonder why you don't like it?[QUOTE="Another48h0urs"][QUOTE="Spellingiscool"] Lol false. You can only beat the Gears/Halo/Forza horse for so long. Where is the creativity? Vari3ty
Halo, Forza, and Gears have been beaten to death already. Fable has been reduced the The Journey.
The PS3 doesn't have anything to do with this. Microsoft has been content to milk the four exclusives it has and produce next to nothing else, other than Kinect garbage. Meanwhile they continue to waste money on timed exclusives like month early COD DLC.
They showed 5 exclsuvies that were neither of those Fable counts whether you like it or not, and the only reason why it's ignored is because it destroys arguments about those 3 being the only games instantly. Kinect garbage? Did you see E3? When was the last time a Kinect game came out BEFORE it? DURING it they only showed 2 Kinect games and voice support for multiplats that don't NEED IT. So yes 2 Kinect games, 5 exclusives, around 3 or so multiplats, one exclusive XBLA game. Sony has everything to do with it because the only people stupid enough to say what you stated are people actually bias against the Xbox, Xbox ois not even my favorite console but when proof is in your face and hits you hard and you still make claims like "Kinect garbage" when your favorite console was WORSE (Unless you game on PC, but most likely you don;t or you will use that as a desperation to escape humiliation) then you are stupid. You talk about Halo Gears and Forza? That's what you guys said in 2010 but guess what? Ketsui, Alan Wake (that year), Naval Assault and Death Smiles 2. Along with the big 4. Making 7 retail non-kinect games and 1 arcade game. You said that in 2011 as well, yet: Hole in the wall, Raving Rabbits (Debatable), Power Up heroes, along with the big 3. 6 retail non-kinect games. In 2012 you make the same claim, while someone could say that for 2011, the claim this year makes no sense, there was barely any kinect support before or after E3, and still don;t see any. if to be honest MS abandoned the Casuals this year. But maybe you are just, I don't know, maybe people on this site actually don't play games? Because even with bias people like you preferring the PS3 or Wii, even on those systems you guys pick out the wrong stuff. I think the problem is you never wanted a 360 in the first place because you have no idea what you are talking about. you either don't care about games or you're a complete idiot.
Let's get real for a minute.
The ONLY reason I keep my 360 is because of what it does for me.
1. Able to rent (abundant and enjoyable) multiplats in reasonable quality
2. Big library, so you can find almost anything that matters
3. A handful of exclusives that I can count on 1 hand
4. Good platform to play L4D2, CoD and a couple other games online
Can the PS3 do that? Mostly but not as good.
Can the Wii do that? No.
Can the PC do that? Kinda, except for the rental part
Just keep it in perspective, and don't expect too much.
WE ARE NOT THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE.
We are hardcore gamers.
Their target audience is soccer moms and people who need Kinectimals to babysit their children.
We do not pay their bills, maybe %10 of it.
They need the other %90 to pay for the infrastructure that WE use.
Hmm, there are 5 Kinect games MS exclusively focused on and only around 3 have sold extremely well or around that. Most not rated high. There are about maybe 20 kinect games and that's a random guess. But Crackdown, Crackdown 2, Fable 3, Alan Wake, Chromehounds, Halo 4, Halo3, Gears 1, Gears 2, Forza 2, Odst, Saints row, kasui, Death smiles, Death smiles 2, Forza 4, Fable 2, PDZ, Nuts and bolts, Kameo, Ryse, Project drago, Steel batallion, Forza 3, gears 3, Culcept Saga, Splosion man, Bllue Dragon, Eternal Sonata (Timed), lost odyssey, Halo Wars, Forza horizon, Haunt, 2 naruto games if i recall, 3 arcade complilations, one combination box that comes with trials, limbo, and splosion man, trials, trials evolution, Raiden IV, The Outfit, Ridge Racer 6, Too Human, Project Gothma 2 and 3 etc. etc. That's just off the top of my head and that's not even all of them, including REATIL and XBLA. Yes, you can count them on your hand. Right. Shut up. They abandoned Xbox users? With an add-on not even 20% of the Xbox library? The problem is not that, you own a 360? Hard to believe, because it's not because there's nothing to play it;s because you really don;t care about games. Not on the Magazine? Guess Zombie killer won;t buy it. Must be rated high on one site with a G on it? Also on said site must have 9.0 or higher? Below? Zombie killer won't play it. Talk about games you like but other people don;t like it as much or it's not popular? Zombiekiller does not counts it as the game. When you actually play games let me know and come back to me.Let's get real for a minute.
The ONLY reason I keep my 360 is because of what it does for me.
1. Able to rent (abundant and enjoyable) multiplats in reasonable quality
2. Big library, so you can find almost anything that matters
3. A handful of exclusives that I can count on 1 hand
4. Good platform to play L4D2, CoD and a couple other games online
Can the PS3 do that? Mostly but not as good.
Can the Wii do that? No.
Can the PC do that? Kinda, except for the rental part
Just keep it in perspective, and don't expect too much.
WE ARE NOT THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE.
We are hardcore gamers.
Their target audience is soccer moms and people who need Kinectimals to babysit their children.
We do not pay their bills, maybe %10 of it.
They need the other %90 to pay for the infrastructure that WE use.
ZombieKiller7
[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]Hmm, there are 5 Kinect games MS exclusively focused on and only around 3 have sold extremely well or around that. Most not rated high. There are about maybe 20 kinect games and that's a random guess. But Crackdown, Crackdown 2, Fable 3, Alan Wake, Chromehounds, Halo 4, Halo3, Gears 1, Gears 2, Forza 2, Odst, Saints row, kasui, Death smiles, Death smiles 2, Forza 4, Fable 2, PDZ, Nuts and bolts, Kameo, Ryse, Project drago, Steel batallion, Forza 3, gears 3, Culcept Saga, Splosion man, Bllue Dragon, Eternal Sonata (Timed), lost odyssey, Halo Wars, Forza horizon, Haunt, 2 naruto games if i recall, 3 arcade complilations, one combination box that comes with trials, limbo, and splosion man, trials, trials evolution, Raiden IV, The Outfit, Ridge Racer 6, Too Human, Project Gothma 2 and 3 etc. etc. That's just off the top of my head and that's not even all of them, including REATIL and XBLA. Yes, you can count them on your hand. Right. Shut up. They abandoned Xbox users? With an add-on not even 20% of the Xbox library? The problem is not that, you own a 360? Hard to believe, because it's not because there's nothing to play it;s because you really don;t care about games. Not on the Magazine? Guess Zombie killer won;t buy it. Must be rated high on one site with a G on it? Also on said site must have 9.0 or higher? Below? Zombie killer won't play it. Talk about games you like but other people don;t like it as much or it's not popular? Zombiekiller does not counts it as the game. When you actually play games let me know and come back to me.Let's get real for a minute.
The ONLY reason I keep my 360 is because of what it does for me.
1. Able to rent (abundant and enjoyable) multiplats in reasonable quality
2. Big library, so you can find almost anything that matters
3. A handful of exclusives that I can count on 1 hand
4. Good platform to play L4D2, CoD and a couple other games online
Can the PS3 do that? Mostly but not as good.
Can the Wii do that? No.
Can the PC do that? Kinda, except for the rental part
Just keep it in perspective, and don't expect too much.
WE ARE NOT THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE.
We are hardcore gamers.
Their target audience is soccer moms and people who need Kinectimals to babysit their children.
We do not pay their bills, maybe %10 of it.
They need the other %90 to pay for the infrastructure that WE use.
Another48h0urs
I don't keep my 360 around to play shovelware.
I can do that on any platform.
What matters to me is what matters to me.
Not the games YOU like, and I'm pretty sure you're in the minority if you think this is enough to attact and keep people on this platform.
For now this is my assessment.
360 is a sinking ship but it's still useful to play multiplats and major titles like Gears.
Let's see what happens in the future.
Hmm, there are 5 Kinect games MS exclusively focused on and only around 3 have sold extremely well or around that. Most not rated high. There are about maybe 20 kinect games and that's a random guess. But Crackdown, Crackdown 2, Fable 3, Alan Wake, Chromehounds, Halo 4, Halo3, Gears 1, Gears 2, Forza 2, Odst, Saints row, kasui, Death smiles, Death smiles 2, Forza 4, Fable 2, PDZ, Nuts and bolts, Kameo, Ryse, Project drago, Steel batallion, Forza 3, gears 3, Culcept Saga, Splosion man, Bllue Dragon, Eternal Sonata (Timed), lost odyssey, Halo Wars, Forza horizon, Haunt, 2 naruto games if i recall, 3 arcade complilations, one combination box that comes with trials, limbo, and splosion man, trials, trials evolution, Raiden IV, The Outfit, Ridge Racer 6, Too Human, Project Gothma 2 and 3 etc. etc. That's just off the top of my head and that's not even all of them, including REATIL and XBLA. Yes, you can count them on your hand. Right. Shut up. They abandoned Xbox users? With an add-on not even 20% of the Xbox library? The problem is not that, you own a 360? Hard to believe, because it's not because there's nothing to play it;s because you really don;t care about games. Not on the Magazine? Guess Zombie killer won;t buy it. Must be rated high on one site with a G on it? Also on said site must have 9.0 or higher? Below? Zombie killer won't play it. Talk about games you like but other people don;t like it as much or it's not popular? Zombiekiller does not counts it as the game. When you actually play games let me know and come back to me.Another48h0urs
I said in my previous posts that xbox used to be the place to go for exclusive games, but you can't say that anymore. I still love Halo but it's overdone, I was done with Gears after 2, and Fable is a joke now. Even Forza has gone from a hardcore racing simulation to an arcade game. The only thing other than Halo that I was interested in from MS at e3 was Matter, and they didn't really even show anything about it. Meanwhile Sony and Nintendo are showing new exclusive IP's, not just rehashes of series that have already been done to death. If they just continue to push sequel after sequel and continue to reward their devs for more of the same rather than innovation then I will not be buying their next console, and I'm sure that there are a lot more like me.
MS just cares about making money at this point. If the same exclusives make them loads of money, why would they want to take risks on new games that might not do well? But I agree with everyone else though, they need to release some new IP because Halo, Gears, Fable, Forza are starting to get old every year ( much like Call of Duty, which has already gotten old). Thats why I am glad I also have a ps3 so that I can enjoy all of the sweet exclusives on that console as well.
[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]We know nothing about the ps4/720 and you're ready to "jump ships"? How does that makes any sense? Better yet, how about you buy both systems next gen. Problem solved. bessy67
Sorry, I don't have $1000-$1500 to throw around...
Why would you need $1,500 :?
You can get an Xbox and PS3 right now for $450............
[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]Hmm, there are 5 Kinect games MS exclusively focused on and only around 3 have sold extremely well or around that. Most not rated high. There are about maybe 20 kinect games and that's a random guess. But Crackdown, Crackdown 2, Fable 3, Alan Wake, Chromehounds, Halo 4, Halo3, Gears 1, Gears 2, Forza 2, Odst, Saints row, kasui, Death smiles, Death smiles 2, Forza 4, Fable 2, PDZ, Nuts and bolts, Kameo, Ryse, Project drago, Steel batallion, Forza 3, gears 3, Culcept Saga, Splosion man, Bllue Dragon, Eternal Sonata (Timed), lost odyssey, Halo Wars, Forza horizon, Haunt, 2 naruto games if i recall, 3 arcade complilations, one combination box that comes with trials, limbo, and splosion man, trials, trials evolution, Raiden IV, The Outfit, Ridge Racer 6, Too Human, Project Gothma 2 and 3 etc. etc. That's just off the top of my head and that's not even all of them, including REATIL and XBLA. Yes, you can count them on your hand. Right. Shut up. They abandoned Xbox users? With an add-on not even 20% of the Xbox library? The problem is not that, you own a 360? Hard to believe, because it's not because there's nothing to play it;s because you really don;t care about games. Not on the Magazine? Guess Zombie killer won;t buy it. Must be rated high on one site with a G on it? Also on said site must have 9.0 or higher? Below? Zombie killer won't play it. Talk about games you like but other people don;t like it as much or it's not popular? Zombiekiller does not counts it as the game. When you actually play games let me know and come back to me. Umm. Steel Batallion was an Xbox game. And Chromehounds' online component(main feature of the game) is dead. And you are needlessly hostile.Let's get real for a minute.
The ONLY reason I keep my 360 is because of what it does for me.
1. Able to rent (abundant and enjoyable) multiplats in reasonable quality
2. Big library, so you can find almost anything that matters
3. A handful of exclusives that I can count on 1 hand
4. Good platform to play L4D2, CoD and a couple other games online
Can the PS3 do that? Mostly but not as good.
Can the Wii do that? No.
Can the PC do that? Kinda, except for the rental part
Just keep it in perspective, and don't expect too much.
WE ARE NOT THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE.
We are hardcore gamers.
Their target audience is soccer moms and people who need Kinectimals to babysit their children.
We do not pay their bills, maybe %10 of it.
They need the other %90 to pay for the infrastructure that WE use.
Another48h0urs
people ask for a game, "they" release it, then no one buys it.
reason why we're at halo 59 is because halo is a big seller.
everything MS does (and any company at that) is based on the market, so in truth, you literally only have yourselves to blame (as consumers).
you act like you have no power in the matter. try supporting indie devs by buying indie games, or by buying the first party games (or w/e game you wanna see more of) that actually are released
To be fair, making these judgements based on this E3 and this late into the console cycle isn't exactly wise. The next consoles will be out in at least a couple years so Microsoft, as well as Sony/Nintendo, is focusing on that.
I do agree that MS's focus is more broad than Sony's, but it's a smarter business move. A good example is that while Sony may be focusing more on the game aspect, I simply do not care for at least half of their exclusive titles. Add to the fact that most multiplatform games run better on 360, and I can definitely see which path MS is taking. It's a safer bet.
In the end, both consoles can learn a bit from each other and neither is perfect. I hate the UI decisions MS made with the 360, and I hate the lack of overall connectivity of Sony's UI. Different strokes.
I think most of their first party devs are working on new IPs for the next gen now that is just speculation .I've been wondering this for a while now. I think they've probably lost me, but do other people feel the same? They've completely abandoned first party exclusives, the very thing that made them the leader in this generation of consoles, to focus on gimmicky kinect and dashboard apps; things that I am not interested in at all. Why do I need ESPN on my xbox when I can just change my tv's input and watch it there? Most of the apps that they've put out are availiable on a plethora of other devices with better functionality. And while it showed promise, it's pretty obvious that kinect has just been turned into a gimmick. There are still only 3-4 good games for it and while kinect functionality in Mass Effect and Skyrim is kinda neat it really doesn't add anything that couldn't already be accomplished by a simple button press. Now at this E3 we see nothing new from MS. Sure, Halo 4 looks cool but it's the 4th Halo shooter on the Xbox 360. Same with the new Gears. So unless MS really shows me something before the launch of the next xbox, I'll probably be migrating to the next sony console. How do you all feel? Will you stay loyal to MS for the next console generation?
bessy67
It's a really good question, will I stay with MS?
I really dislike Sony and Nintendo screwed me with the wii (which I bought first day, and was happy with it), but MS isn't really doing much to keep me.
I think that it will all come down to: will I be able to upload simple XNA games and windows phone 7 won't die with windows 8? If so, I will probably stay with them.
[QUOTE="Spellingiscool"][QUOTE="Another48h0urs"] Why would you make this thread after MS showed more games at E3 (and more exclusive games at e3) then Sony and NINTENDO? Also how did they abandon First-party? They still have the usual as well as 2 others, 1 for Kinect, but here' another thing you guys never look at, and I know you're bias for Ps3 or Wii or whatever: If you combine all the sales and rating of the exclusives of MS, Nintendo, and Sony FP or not, MS wins. Most exclusive games FP and TP are indeed usually involving MSstudios publishing the game. This means that if you actually brought MS exclusives all the way up to 2011, you would still have a bit of backlog left, and you would finish it around Halo 4 came out just in time for the next Xbox. Wii has a standards problem, but most exclusives on it FP and TP are the least rated of the 3 consoles. Sony has badly positioned itself for around 3 or so years, and didn't start pumping out exclusives at a pace till 2010, but end of 2010-2011 is when they put out what you could say the most quality and quantuity of games, but most likely, you would if any, have about 2 games on the backlog. This means that you never had interest in MS exclusives in the first place.Another48h0ursLol false. You can only beat the Gears/Halo/Forza horse for so long. Where is the creativity? It's not false, and where are the PS3 games this year? I see AC and BLACKOPS downgrades for the Vita which are not new. I see Wonderbook, I see a bunch of delayed games that have not come out yet, and I see Sly 4. MS showed over 5 games not related to H/G/F and Fable which people ignore here, and 2 Kinect games. Not only that, but why are you ignoring the games that aren't Halo Gears or Forza? the only reason why you are not playing anything outside those games is because you limit yourself to games that score 7.5 or above, or they have to have 5 sequels each. One thing I always laugh at is I already killed what you said in one sentence, because people that think that all the Xbox has is Forza, gears, and Halo completely foret Fable and as soon as someone lists Fable your argument crumbles. Which is also a series 7.5 and above. So I wonder why you don't like it?
Starhawk
Playstion All Stars Battle Royale
Sly 4
Dust 514
Twisted Metal
^ Just this year. Not counting downloadable games or Move games and I may have even missed a few. Not sure.
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