Making Acheivments really worth something (Poll)

Ok, I was with my friend the other day and we were playing Forza 2. I showed him my extensive garage, and he asked why I had so many damn cars. I said "because I want the acheivments for owning all cars from all regions". He said that that's stupid and a waste of time, and it kind of dawned on me: acheivments need to really be worth something. We both mutually agreed that that would be truly awesome. We came up with 2 ideas:

1. Every 1000 gamerpoints, you get 100 MS points free. This wouldn't exactly add incentive to play more, because... cmon... 100 points isn't that much. What it would do however is provide a little bit of a bonus to your MS points 'wallet'. Let's face it - we all usually have 50-100 MS points just sitting there, not being used. So say you've got 60 points laying around after your last set of purchases on XBL. Your gamerscore is 2985. You get another acheivment and BOOM you've just gotten over 3000 gamerpoints and now have 150-200 MS points in your account. Bingo. 'Free' wallpaper for your dashboard. 100 points is just small enough to stop people from using it as an alternative to paying for big downloads, and just big enough to be able to make small transactions on XBL.

2. The other idea is to make it so when you get the full 1000 gamerpoints on a certain game, you get to spend 1000 free gamerpoints on that particular game. Say Halo 3 comes out. It's fun as hell, and you're getting acheivements at a decent rate. Bungie releases info on upcoming DLC, and you realize that if you buckled down and got your hands dirty for few days, you could get all 1000 acheivment pointsand get thatDLC for free. If you cannot play though, you'll just have to do it like you've always done and just pay with your credit card (it's only about $12 anyway). The brilliance with this is that it doesn't let people like Jeff Gertsmann who just want to get a really high gamerscore get rewarded for playing easy sports games or King Kong. You can't use those points you earned easily in Hello Kitty Island Adventures to buy that new map pack in Gears Of War. For MS, it provides one great, great thing: Statistics. People know that new DLC for Halo 3 is coming out, they then play then twice as much as before to earn those Gamerpoints. MS then flaunts that statistic at their next conference.Flawless.

Discuss either idea and vote.

I think both ideas are pretty bad.Dont get me wrongthat would besweet.But honestly,doyou think Microsoft wants to give free points to millions of pepole when there already getting a crazy amount of money otherwise.Like the pepole who have 100,000 + Gamerscore imagine the amount of points Microsoft has to give only to those pepole.And a good amount of pepole have 10,000 + so thats 1,000 per guy.Honestly sounds to good.Therfore it will never happend.

Maybe a Exclusive Gamer picture to those who get 1,000 points in the game but Microsoft points...Will never happend.

Good point Booomer, but it's simply an idea, so therefore we can change it with your constructive criticsm.

For Idea #1,one oftwo thingswould happen when it gets implemented: Either you don't get points for your existing gamerscore, or there is a 1000 MS point roof, so anything above 10,000 is treated like 10,000 at launch.

You see, loophole potentially filled. Thank you Booomer.

Good point Booomer, but it's simply an idea, so therefore we can change it with your constructive criticsm.

For Idea #1,one oftwo thingswould happen when it gets implemented: Either you don't get points for your existing gamerscore, or there is a 1000 MS point roof, so anything above 10,000 is treated like 10,000 at launch.

You see, loophole potentially filled. Thank you Booomer.

pyoob

that's a common idea, and a common mistake people make is that they think gamerpoints and microsoft points are the same thing. it isn't a good idea, there are ways to cheat achievements with boosting or with game saves even. I like seeing my gamerscore, I worked up to that, I don't want to loose my points everytime I buy something. Achievement points are not money, you can't use them as currency, if some devs make a map pack.. what are they going to do with achievement points?ag1002

Ok, I was with my friend the other day and we were playing Forza 2. I showed him my extensive garage, and he asked why I had so many damn cars. I said "because I want the acheivments for owning all cars from all regions". He said that that's stupid and a waste of time, and it kind of dawned on me: acheivments need to really be worth something. We both mutually agreed that that would be truly awesome. We came up with 2 ideas:

1. Every 1000 gamerpoints, you get 100 MS points free. This wouldn't exactly add incentive to play more, because... cmon... 100 points isn't that much. What it would do however is provide a little bit of a bonus to your MS points 'wallet'. Let's face it - we all usually have 50-100 MS points just sitting there, not being used. So say you've got 60 points laying around after your last set of purchases on XBL. Your gamerscore is 2985. You get another acheivment and BOOM you've just gotten over 3000 gamerpoints and now have 150-200 MS points in your account. Bingo. 'Free' wallpaper for your dashboard. 100 points is just small enough to stop people from using it as an alternative to paying for big downloads, and just big enough to be able to make small transactions on XBL.

2. The other idea is to make it so when you get the full 1000 gamerpoints on a certain game, you get to spend 1000 free gamerpoints on that particular game. Say Halo 3 comes out. It's fun as hell, and you're getting acheivements at a decent rate. Bungie releases info on upcoming DLC, and you realize that if you buckled down and got your hands dirty for few days, you could get all 1000 acheivment pointsand get thatDLC for free. If you cannot play though, you'll just have to do it like you've always done and just pay with your credit card (it's only about $12 anyway). The brilliance with this is that it doesn't let people like Jeff Gertsmann who just want to get a really high gamerscore get rewarded for playing easy sports games or King Kong. You can't use those points you earned easily in Hello Kitty Island Adventures to buy that new map pack in Gears Of War. For MS, it provides one great, great thing: Statistics. People know that new DLC for Halo 3 is coming out, they then play then twice as much as before to earn those Gamerpoints. MS then flaunts that statistic at their next conference.Flawless.

Discuss either idea and vote.

pyoob

idea 1 is genious, idea 2 is good but its unrealistic.

[QUOTE="pyoob"]

Ok, I was with my friend the other day and we were playing Forza 2. I showed him my extensive garage, and he asked why I had so many damn cars. I said "because I want the acheivments for owning all cars from all regions". He said that that's stupid and a waste of time, and it kind of dawned on me: acheivments need to really be worth something. We both mutually agreed that that would be truly awesome. We came up with 2 ideas:

1. Every 1000 gamerpoints, you get 100 MS points free. This wouldn't exactly add incentive to play more, because... cmon... 100 points isn't that much. What it would do however is provide a little bit of a bonus to your MS points 'wallet'. Let's face it - we all usually have 50-100 MS points just sitting there, not being used. So say you've got 60 points laying around after your last set of purchases on XBL. Your gamerscore is 2985. You get another acheivment and BOOM you've just gotten over 3000 gamerpoints and now have 150-200 MS points in your account. Bingo. 'Free' wallpaper for your dashboard. 100 points is just small enough to stop people from using it as an alternative to paying for big downloads, and just big enough to be able to make small transactions on XBL.

2. The other idea is to make it so when you get the full 1000 gamerpoints on a certain game, you get to spend 1000 free gamerpoints on that particular game. Say Halo 3 comes out. It's fun as hell, and you're getting acheivements at a decent rate. Bungie releases info on upcoming DLC, and you realize that if you buckled down and got your hands dirty for few days, you could get all 1000 acheivment pointsand get thatDLC for free. If you cannot play though, you'll just have to do it like you've always done and just pay with your credit card (it's only about $12 anyway). The brilliance with this is that it doesn't let people like Jeff Gertsmann who just want to get a really high gamerscore get rewarded for playing easy sports games or King Kong. You can't use those points you earned easily in Hello Kitty Island Adventures to buy that new map pack in Gears Of War. For MS, it provides one great, great thing: Statistics. People know that new DLC for Halo 3 is coming out, they then play then twice as much as before to earn those Gamerpoints. MS then flaunts that statistic at their next conference.Flawless.

Discuss either idea and vote.

Deamon321

idea 1 is genious, idea 2 is good but its unrealistic.

That is what I was about to say. Implemeting an idea like #1 would probably even make Microsoft money. I know people know who just play certain games to get the points. If there was incentive like some MS points or a certain walpaper and gamerpics people may buy more games.

that's a common idea, and a common mistake people make is that they think gamerpoints and microsoft points are the same thing. it isn't a good idea, there are ways to cheat achievements with boosting or with game saves even. I like seeing my gamerscore, I worked up to that, I don't want to loose my points everytime I buy something. Achievement points are not money, you can't use them as currency, if some devs make a map pack.. what are they going to do with achievement points?ag1002

I don't think he meant that gamerscore=money. I believe he was proposing a reward system relating to gamerscore. Something to give the consumers out there more reason to A) buy more games and B) put more effort into the games they own. Right now, gamerscore isn't worth anything other than bragging rights. Although a lot of people are quite content with that there are still lots of people (myself included) who really don't give a d**n about it. Unless both myself and my friend own the same game, the achievement are a little give or take for me. If there was more of a reward (in some form that was easier to grasp than a simple ethereal score) a MS might be able to get more people to buy their systems and the games associated there in. This is something I agree with and I like his ideas. They are a nice starting point towards something great imho. Frankly though, I'd be content seeing more rewards along the lines of Dead Rising too. I felt like there was a good incentive there to put in the effort towards "five day survivor" and "zombie genocider". Achieving these things added to the gameplay experience. What does Gears of War's "seriously......" acheivement really give me?

As much as they both sound like pretty good ideas, they're about as likely as Bill Gates riding a pony into the Vatican, stealing the Pope's hat, shouting "I am the King of the World!!!" and then imploding.

[QUOTE="ag1002"]that's a common idea, and a common mistake people make is that they think gamerpoints and microsoft points are the same thing. it isn't a good idea, there are ways to cheat achievements with boosting or with game saves even. I like seeing my gamerscore, I worked up to that, I don't want to loose my points everytime I buy something. Achievement points are not money, you can't use them as currency, if some devs make a map pack.. what are they going to do with achievement points?elemental_drago

I don't think he meant that gamerscore=money. I believe he was proposing a reward system relating to gamerscore. Something to give the consumers out there more reason to A) buy more games and B) put more effort into the games they own. Right now, gamerscore isn't worth anything other than bragging rights. Although a lot of people are quite content with that there are still lots of people (myself included) who really don't give a d**n about it. Unless both myself and my friend own the same game, the achievement are a little give or take for me. If there was more of a reward (in some form that was easier to grasp than a simple ethereal score) a MS might be able to get more people to buy their systems and the games associated there in. This is something I agree with and I like his ideas. They are a nice starting point towards something great imho. Frankly though, I'd be content seeing more rewards along the lines of Dead Rising too. I felt like there was a good incentive there to put in the effort towards "five day survivor" and "zombie genocider". Achieving these things added to the gameplay experience. What does Gears of War's "seriously......" acheivement really give me?

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[QUOTE="ag1002"]that's a common idea, and a common mistake people make is that they think gamerpoints and microsoft points are the same thing. it isn't a good idea, there are ways to cheat achievements with boosting or with game saves even. I like seeing my gamerscore, I worked up to that, I don't want to loose my points everytime I buy something. Achievement points are not money, you can't use them as currency, if some devs make a map pack.. what are they going to do with achievement points?ag1002

I don't think he meant that gamerscore=money. I believe he was proposing a reward system relating to gamerscore. Something to give the consumers out there more reason to A) buy more games and B) put more effort into the games they own. Right now, gamerscore isn't worth anything other than bragging rights. Although a lot of people are quite content with that there are still lots of people (myself included) who really don't give a d**n about it. Unless both myself and my friend own the same game, the achievement are a little give or take for me. If there was more of a reward (in some form that was easier to grasp than a simple ethereal score) a MS might be able to get more people to buy their systems and the games associated there in. This is something I agree with and I like his ideas. They are a nice starting point towards something great imho. Frankly though, I'd be content seeing more rewards along the lines of Dead Rising too. I felt like there was a good incentive there to put in the effort towards "five day survivor" and "zombie genocider". Achieving these things added to the gameplay experience. What does Gears of War's "seriously......" acheivement really give me?

I see what you're saying. If that were to happen, the marketplace might experience a bit of inflation.:(

All I'm saying is that I would like to see a more robust reward system in place. The aforementionedidea of gamerpics/wallpapers (maybe onesexclusive to the achievement system) would be a great place to start. That's something that MS could foot the bill for, expecially since so many games have online achievements people might be more willing to jump into a Gold account. I realise the effect this would have on the online community but that's sort of already happening as is.

well i posted a thread about this same topic (earning MS points for getting achievements blah blah blah)

all i got was criticism

ppl saying im cheap MS points arent that much all of this junk

now i come here to see no ones critisizing u?

it pains me but i find it thankfull that someone thinks like me

unlike other morons that are lo@ded and can get all the points they want

thank you