OFFICIAL POLL for ToR vs KoTOR 3!

yeah i know i already made a thread like this but that was back when i didn't know how to make polls :oops: . so this is a legit one. and yes i already am well aware that the old republic is in development but personally i don't want to play it i want to play a true sequel to kotor tsl that isnt set 100's of years after it and one that isn't an mmo, i would much much rather have kotor 3 on the xbox 360 since it has tons of potential to improve greatly on the old kotor games. the new computers could probaly work ok as well. i honestly think obsidian should be allowed to develop kotor 3 since they want to and it wasn't their fault that kotor 2 had a lame story it was because lucasarts screwed them over by not letting them finish it thus forcing them to cut loads of content. i have faith in them and i enjoyed kotor 2 just as much as kotor 1 except for the story. anyways thsnks to everybody who cares enough to vote :) .

I would rather have KOTOR 3 but I trust Bioware will make TOR a very good game.... hopefully.

KoTOR3 I hope but I'd rather wait for Bioware to make it. Obsidian wasn't bad but the game was a bit bland. Trying to beat the first one in every aspect but failing at it. (KOTOR Had Revan wait we have a THE GUY WHO CAN DESTROY THE FORCE :O, They had Bastila we'll give u a crazy blind chick who's the ultimate Sith Lord BEAT THAT!, Malak? Pfft we'll give u the guy who can kill all life on a planet, yet he's the easiest boss in the game!)

KoTOR3 I hope but I'd rather wait for Bioware to make it. Obsidian wasn't bad but the game was a bit bland. Trying to beat the first one in every aspect but failing at it. (KOTOR Had Revan wait we have a THE GUY WHO CAN DESTROY THE FORCE :O, They had Bastila we'll give u a crazy blind chick who's the ultimate Sith Lord BEAT THAT!, Malak? Pfft we'll give u the guy who can kill all life on a planet, yet he's the easiest boss in the game!)

Desperados11

Yes i agree, the gameplay is fine, in fact, i find it perfect for a star wars rpg, i hope aliens: crucible follows a similar pattern. Anyways i actually prefer to play the game on pc, i find it better to use the mouse, or touch pad in my case.

Just thought i would mention this while im here, for kotor1&2 to run on vista (32 and 64 bit) here are the fixes: kotor- comatability for xp sp2 and set the game to a single processor (task mannager-processes-set affinity-tick only one core) kotor2-same with compatability and tick sound off or replace the sound files

The fact that they're not making Knights of the Old Republic 3 really saddens me. The last time I felt this was when Square developed Final Fantasy XI. I love both franchises but I very much dislike MMOs. To me, the whole thing is pointless. Especially when you know there is a very huge mass of people wanting a sequal to a great game. *shakes head*. Why?!:cry:

The fact that they're not making Knights of the Old Republic 3 really saddens me. The last time I felt this was when Square developed Final Fantasy XI. I love both franchises but I very much dislike MMOs. To me, the whole thing is pointless. Especially when you know there is a very huge mass of people wanting a sequal to a great game. *shakes head*. Why?!:cry:

whisperingmute

I'm back with a vengence! down with TOR! Lol. KorruptRaiden I hear you mate, honestly the thing is with KOTOR is the gameplay is completely fine all we want is a new story, characters, weapons, side quests and as much as they can possibly put on a disc and name it KOTOR3. Lol. Honestly the game was meant for X360, you could just imagine all the stuff they could add to it and the story they could make.stike22

yeah all i want is a deeper and more immersive story with more interaction between every single character, also the option to kill whoever i want ( :twisted: except party members, well maybe them to), customization for at least my characters face and hair and the option for gnarly sith tats like the sith academy master lol, more variety in swords and guns (they all look the same theres only a few actual models and a few different colors its bland), tons of npc faces, options for hoods (including non robed jedi and sith robes like the sith had in kotor 1, options for how your character ends up looking over time when going to the dark side, new combat system (my idea would involve using (for the 360 control scheme) the a, b, x, and y buttons for attacks like the critical strike is activated by one button, the flurry attack is activated by a different button, and the frontflip attack (forgot the name lol) another, and lastly the other remaining button for force attacks, but you would pause for it and then select whichever one you want. just an idea.), more force user clothing, wicked looking masks, the environments should be more open not as big as oblivion but not where it feels so small like the last two, option for armor over force user robes and tunics etc. and lastly but most importantly more than 20 level ups, its impossible for me to get all the force powers and feats i want, since it wouldnt be an mmo it wouldnt matter if you could level up alot throughout the story.

for story setting it would be cool to be able to actually full on join which side you want to allign yourself with, i hated being labeled as a republic guy the whole time i wanted to be known as an actual sith, commanding troops in battles could be cool like having an actual rank in whatever side i'm on, also i dont really want the story to be so clear and short, like in the first two you had really clear goals, kill malak or kill a few sith lords, i dont have any actual ideas myself but just a much longer story and bigger environment to play in would be great, thats all i can think of right now but seriously i bet all that and more could be in the game if it was on the 360.

I want KOTOR3 so badly, im on my 5th play through of kotor atm (somehow got both to work on vista) im really craving a new story, but i dont care too much about tor, but as long as kotor3 comes into existence i would be happy.KorruptRaiden

[QUOTE="whisperingmute"]

The fact that they're not making Knights of the Old Republic 3 really saddens me. The last time I felt this was when Square developed Final Fantasy XI. I love both franchises but I very much dislike MMOs. To me, the whole thing is pointless. Especially when you know there is a very huge mass of people wanting a sequal to a great game. *shakes head*. Why?!:cry:

stike22

I would rather have KOTOR 3 but I trust Bioware will make TOR a very good game.... hopefully.

smack_masta

This seems like it could set up for what Star Wars is famous for, answer some major plot points and then go back to give the story first-hand. I thought it worked fairly well for the prequels (and no I'm not joking) so maybe it'll work well if the KOTOR storyline goes down this alley.moose_knuckler

I'd much rather see a KOTOR 3. I've played 1 and 2 through at least 5 times each and whatI liked the most about the games was the influence of your actions on the storyline. The battle system in KOTOR would probably make for a decent MMO. My real problem with the MMO is I don't have that kind of time to spend on it. I'd buy a KOTOR 3 but I'll pass on the MMO.

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]This seems like it could set up for what Star Wars is famous for, answer some major plot points and then go back to give the story first-hand. I thought it worked fairly well for the prequels (and no I'm not joking) so maybe it'll work well if the KOTOR storyline goes down this alley.hughami

I'd much rather see a KOTOR 3. I've played 1 and 2 through at least 5 times each and whatI liked the most about the games was the influence of your actions on the storyline. The battle system in KOTOR would probably make for a decent MMO. My real problem with the MMO is I don't have that kind of time to spend on it. I'd buy a KOTOR 3 but I'll pass on the MMO.

SiLeNcEE_

I think you guys are selling Bioware short. SWG was my first RPG and despite it being a clone i loved being able to explore in a star wars universe. Kotor 3 would have to be like oblivion/fallout with a better main storyline to have me want it over an MMO. You guys just seem to be anti-mmo. It's not about having such a boring real life that you want to build a virtual one, it's about a dynamic game with what is really unparalleled social interaction. No other genre allows you to do as much with other people as an MMO. If you have friends to play with then MMOs don't get stale like CS or Halo might.

I used to *hate* the idea of paying monthly for MMOs but if you think about how long they last and what kind of experience they offer it's worth it imo. WoW is great (from a critical standpoint) but ToR could be so much more. Think of Kotor1 being co-op and open world and that's how I like to think of ToR. I have no idea how the jedi-dilemma will be handled but I don't really care all that much as long as they let me live on endor :).

Star Wars Galaxies was axed like all of SOE's games with its big game changing patches that no one really asked for. Star Wars deserves better than SWG. If they wanted to make money they would've made KOTOR3 because it's alot less upkeep and a much easier cash-in if they just spice up the combat and tie up some plot lines.

I think you guys are selling Bioware short. SWG was my first RPG and despite it being a clone i loved being able to explore in a star wars universe. Kotor 3 would have to be like oblivion/fallout with a better main storyline to have me want it over an MMO. You guys just seem to be anti-mmo. It's not about having such a boring real life that you want to build a virtual one, it's about a dynamic game with what is really unparalleled social interaction. No other genre allows you to do as much with other people as an MMO. If you have friends to play with then MMOs don't get stale like CS or Halo might.

I used to *hate* the idea of paying monthly for MMOs but if you think about how long they last and what kind of experience they offer it's worth it imo. WoW is great (from a critical standpoint) but ToR could be so much more. Think of Kotor1 being co-op and open world and that's how I like to think of ToR. I have no idea how the jedi-dilemma will be handled but I don't really care all that much as long as they let me live on endor :).

I think you guys are selling Bioware short. SWG was my first RPG and despite it being a clone i loved being able to explore in a star wars universe. Kotor 3 would have to be like oblivion/fallout with a better main storyline to have me want it over an MMO. You guys just seem to be anti-mmo. It's not about having such a boring real life that you want to build a virtual one, it's about a dynamic game with what is really unparalleled social interaction. No other genre allows you to do as much with other people as an MMO. If you have friends to play with then MMOs don't get stale like CS or Halo might.

I used to *hate* the idea of paying monthly for MMOs but if you think about how long they last and what kind of experience they offer it's worth it imo. WoW is great (from a critical standpoint) but ToR could be so much more. Think of Kotor1 being co-op and open world and that's how I like to think of ToR. I have no idea how the jedi-dilemma will be handled but I don't really care all that much as long as they let me live on endor :).

Morello964

KoTOR 3 would need to improve on the previous games but that goes without saying. I'm not so much anti-MMO as I just can't play one. I've played them before in the past and loved them probably too much.They are extremely expensive, and i'm flat broke. I need the money i do have for other things. And in order to actually enjoy a MMO you have to be able to sit down every day and play for a few hours at least. Between work, school, and other things i want to do I just don't have that kind of time available. As for the social interaction, MMOs are as good as it gets in games, but if you really want to be social going out and doing things is far better.

Seriously you jsut named one of the biggest issues with MMO's, it wasn't so bad when they MMO's were a new thing and not so many people did it but WoW pretty much massacred MMO's as a whole and now they are just pointless money makers. You pay for a game with a certain theme in this case Star Wars and then you pay monthly just so you can join the flock with 1000s of meaningless player charatcers and join two sides and oppose each other endlessly achieving nothing except making yourself poorer and Bioware richer.

An offline actually has a point and that isnt to feed money to Bioware and join a flock but play along to an actual story and to change the story as you want it, its your game not everyones. Besides they could have done an MMO after KOTOR3 instead they chose TOR first obviously a sign of money lust. Imagine the stuff they could put on KOTOR3 and not just that but DLC as well expanded stories or expansions. WOULD BE EPIC!

"it's about a dynamic game with what is really unparalleled social interaction." are you kidding me dude, well let me see what parallels that......hmmm.......oh yeah actually interacting with people face to face. mmo's are stale they have no point to them, now sure i would love an open world kotor with as big of a world as oblivion, but i refuse to play a pc one, an pay monthly fees, and be a meaningless character out of 1000's of cliche sith lords and jedi masters. and like Morello964 points out kotor 3 is more ethical since there wouldnt be up keep, besides that an rpg is just much better especially if it was on the 360, the graphics would be amazing and all sorts of content could fit and we could have amazing battle animations etc. with an mmo everything is just lesser.hughami

I was obviously referring to the social interactions involved in video games. I don't know anyone that would argue real life is second to an MMO in interacting with other people. MMOs with vent running allow you to do more than say Halo because it's not just shooting at its base. There's more to do with other people and it is an interactive chat room. And why are you meaningless as well as everyone else playing? Is everyone on your friends list meaningless? You have a personality and a way of doing things just like anyone else and that translates (for better or worse) to your character. I don't know much about ToR but if it is *just* jedi then the sub-classes allow you to find your niche. I said kotor 3 was a better idea if they had a "lust for money" in the short term because MMO's are uncertain. I don't see the difference between playing a single-player only game or multi-player only game and one being a "waste of your life" while the other isn't when the determining factor is fun. If you've played MMOs with friends and gave one a chance and it didn't click with you then ok you have reason to be wary (not angry) about ToR. If you're generalizing about what you've read and rationalized about the genre then...stop?

Just because it's an MMO doesn't mean it doesn't have a story. Again, it's all in Biowares hands whether or not it succeeds. I know jack about the warcraft universe but some quests i genuinely cared about and had fun following (onyxia chain). Saying that it being an MMO deems it a failure before it's released or fully disclosed is premature. MMOs have elements of helping others succeed as well as yourself over a single-player's self-gratification. Not to say one is better than the other but they both serve a purpose and provide equally rewarding experiences.

Not sure what you mean by it being on the 360 giving it better graphics/animations. Things are optimized and toned down a bit for MMOs so more people can play them. ToR could look better than a 360 version or it could look worse. Animations would stay the same. Bottom line is that MMOs combine fun with people and fun with a game. It's a good idea that has a bad stigma atm.

I would rather have KOTOR 3 but i am not saying this game will be bad. If the MMO turns out good and it comes to the xbox 360 i will purchase it because it just might bring back good memories of the older game. Plus KOTOR was awesome hopefully the MMO will be too. I guess i am just looking at this in a positive way.

Seriously you jsut named one of the biggest issues with MMO's, it wasn't so bad when they MMO's were a new thing and not so many people did it but WoW pretty much massacred MMO's as a whole and now they are just pointless money makers. You pay for a game with a certain theme in this case Star Wars and then you pay monthly just so you can join the flock with 1000s of meaningless player charatcers and join two sides and oppose each other endlessly achieving nothing except making yourself poorer and Bioware richer.

An offline actually has a point and that isnt to feed money to Bioware and join a flock but play along to an actual story and to change the story as you want it, its your game not everyones. Besides they could have done an MMO after KOTOR3 instead they chose TOR first obviously a sign of money lust. Imagine the stuff they could put on KOTOR3 and not just that but DLC as well expanded stories or expansions. WOULD BE EPIC!

stike22

Where's the option in the poll for "I want ToR made for the Xbox"

I would love a KoTOR 3 but the devs of ToR have said that their game is pretty much the same as KoTOR 3+4+5+... all in one. So doubt there's a chance of KoTOR3 any time in the near future. Maybe if their MMO fails miserably they'll just stick to console KoTORs. ;)

I would only play ToR if it came out on 360, with no additional fees since i am already paying £40 a year...

Desperately want KOTOR 3, but perhaps wipe the slate clean? I thought the story line was getting a bit odd and far-fetched even for Star Wars. I mean with 'True Sith' and 'Sith' and a planetary killing Sith Lord, a old lady who has absolutely no moral compass, and a zombie Sith who looks like a rotten corpse. I do not mean abandon the story. Either a prequel set during the Mandalorian Wars, which sees you placed between both sides, or a story that includes Carth, Missioin, Zaalbar, HK, T3, The Iridian, (forgot his name, always called the player 'General'.) A story that sees the end of the True Sith, either theHeroicreturn, orannihilation,of Revan. (Please just kill off the 'exile' straight away.) and a Galaxy to explore which can compete with the likes of Mass Effect. Not just 5 or 6 Planets.

Bioware make great games, and they will probably have a lot of success with TOR, but i still cant justify to pay a subscription for a game that ive already paid for, and that is just filled with content, no impressive story line, just a big pile of grinding.

KOTOR 3 without a doubt. I also would not be suprised if we see it one day. I'm not feeling much love for TOR and I smell epic failure.

Well, I wasn't too fond of KoToR, TBH...the plot really bored me and I didn't like being forced into being a Jedi after spending 9 levels levelling up my rifle powers...so I went with ToR...but if KoToR3 let you be something like a bounty hunter instead of a Jedi, I'd be for that too. =P

Well, I wasn't too fond of KoToR, TBH...the plot really bored me and I didn't like being forced into being a Jedi after spending 9 levels levelling up my rifle powers...so I went with ToR...but if KoToR3 let you be something like a bounty hunter instead of a Jedi, I'd be for that too. =P

enix165

Bioware make great games, and they will probably have a lot of success with TOR, but i still cant justify to pay a subscription for a game that ive already paid for, and that is just filled with content, no impressive story line, just a big pile of grinding.

doug789

[QUOTE="enix165"]

Well, I wasn't too fond of KoToR, TBH...the plot really bored me and I didn't like being forced into being a Jedi after spending 9 levels levelling up my rifle powers...so I went with ToR...but if KoToR3 let you be something like a bounty hunter instead of a Jedi, I'd be for that too. =P

KorruptRaiden

I would only play ToR if it came out on 360, with no additional fees since i am already paying £40 a year...

Desperately want KOTOR 3, but perhaps wipe the slate clean? I thought the story line was getting a bit odd and far-fetched even for Star Wars. I mean with 'True Sith' and 'Sith' and a planetary killing Sith Lord, a old lady who has absolutely no moral compass, and a zombie Sith who looks like a rotten corpse. I do not mean abandon the story. Either a prequel set during the Mandalorian Wars, which sees you placed between both sides, or a story that includes Carth, Missioin, Zaalbar, HK, T3, The Iridian, (forgot his name, always called the player 'General'.) A story that sees the end of the True Sith, either theHeroicreturn, orannihilation,of Revan. (Please just kill off the 'exile' straight away.) and a Galaxy to explore which can compete with the likes of Mass Effect. Not just 5 or 6 Planets.

IAMTHEJOKER88

[QUOTE="enix165"]

Well, I wasn't too fond of KoToR, TBH...the plot really bored me and I didn't like being forced into being a Jedi after spending 9 levels levelling up my rifle powers...so I went with ToR...but if KoToR3 let you be something like a bounty hunter instead of a Jedi, I'd be for that too. =P

KorruptRaiden

Wait, wait, wait are people correct your telling me that they aren't making it for X360....wow just checked and it really is PC only....>_> Bioware + TOR = Money Lust.stike22

actually it's being considered but like i said unless it can be played off line im not getting it as well as the crappy cartoon looking player models it looks like crap.

[QUOTE="stike22"]Wait, wait, wait are people correct your telling me that they aren't making it for X360....wow just checked and it really is PC only....>_> Bioware + TOR = Money Lust.hughami

actually it's being considered but like i said unless it can be played off line im not getting it as well as the crappy cartoon looking player models it looks like crap.