[QUOTE="Lord_Syll"][QUOTE="whostolemysoul"] Well First off....I'm black, And I'm personally embarassed by how black people are today, From BET (the worst channel out there) to how people still demand reperations or whatever its called. Whats worse is that NOBODY seems to know history accurately, yet all they want to do (black people especially) is seem to complain about the few things their parents told them and crap. Now my Grandmothers one of these "black people should be treated so good cause of slavery" people
AND THE FIRST THING I ALWAYS ASK HER IS>>>> Was she ever a slave?... of course the answers no, so then I ask her, is anyone you know, or are close to a slave, the answer to this question is of course No.
I go on to ask why should we get some type of reward or some crap for something that never even HAPPENED TO THE INDIVIDUAL COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. I mean why should we (black people) go around demanding S**T from white people who were never the "slave masters" in the first place, I mean the saying "we can't chose where we came from, only where we're going" comes into play heavily, they can't help it if their ancestors were the owners of slaves, so why should we punish them for what they can't change?"
Then theres the channel that RUINS anything good or possitive about black people, aka BET, the channel shows the worst of what "black america" has to offer, and they broadcast it 24/7. the channel sucks, and if I could do something to change it I would.
As for music, well thats gone downhill, I love the rap from the 80s, and some of the early 90s, but when people get rich from SCREAMIN their dam name in a song over and over again, a song in which NOBODY unless your name IS Mike Jones can relate to, well We've got a problem...
now at one point back in lets say 1960ish, we did need the whole affirmitive action deal to "get the ball rolling", and it did just that, but nowadays we use it as a crutch or a "cheat code in life", and all thats going to do is Cause a new form of hatred, and just add heat to a what was dying fire.
On top of that AMERICA, (Not just white america) has been "making love" with eachother for so long, theres no way in hell you'd be able to decide who is "originally just white american" and who is mixed with imigrant blood
Hell take me for example, if you were to look at me, you'd say I'm a black person or "african american", you would never know that I'm also a quarter Irish, and a quarter Georgia cherokee indian (and I've never been to georgia, isn't that somethin)
so some of the people who we're demanding affirmitive action may have had "ethnical histories" just as Screwed over as black peoples, hell take my "blood" did you Know that the Irish, were called White N*****, and at one point were below black people in the "social status" of america?, not only this, but black people didn't "rush to help or assist them", they took advantage of the situation and misused them just as much as white "real americans" did....
As for the native american side of me, well we all know what happened there.
now looking at my PERSONEL past, you'd say I'd have a lot more to be upset about eh?... But I'm not, hell to be honest I laugh at black jokes if they're funny, I don't care if you use the N word around me, or to me, as long as your not beein an ass about it... Race doesn't bother me at all...
now I don't dress in Baggy clothes, nor do I dress in "middle class nice stuff", I dress in an occasionally slightly baggy pair of jeans and a t shirt that fits, (unless I'm going to an event) (or if I'm going to work I have to dress in my Naval uniform)
I don't speak ebonics, nor do I speak overly proper, I speak like your average New Yorker, and I've got an accent when I get angry thats mafia esq.
hell its a coincidence that people look at both black and white people so.... black and white. Americas full of ignorant people, but I think if we could do something, or if you people feel I need to do something, I can even out "the scale of racism", I mean no need to offend, but if its going to be "evened out" a black person would have to do it, or black people would just scream racism... lol I'm ranting sorry...
whostolemysoul
The whole reperation thing is like ... uhm ... Alex Rodriguez lol ... He isnt worth 250 million dollars .... but hey he's getting paid that, u kno y? cuz him being in the Yankees makes THEM more than that ...
alot of rich RICH families out there r rich becuz of the foundation they built generations ago off the LABOR ur blood line gave to them ... and in affect to that, to ur ancestors being slaves, that stumped their growth and ability to establish a foundation for generations to come ... who knows ... maybe u'd b living in a mansion in Africa ... or maybe if their was no slavery but ur ancestors came to the "new world" for a better opertunity like many europeans, u might b living in a mansion here :P ...
but where ever theres a way to scream victim ... there r always gonna b people who would try to take advantage of it ... not all black people who scream reperation!!! deserve it cuz they dont even kno y they're screaming for it ... all they want is money ....
I'm not black so u might think i'm out of place here ... but I'm hispanic, and i've had the purse clinching white woman happen to me a few times in my life ... and the ignorant question of "where r u from?" and then when i tell them here theyre amazed like "oh! u were born here! interesting" man i hate that! so i counter with "so wut part of europe r u from?" and play the same game with them :P ...
your one of the people who doesn't know history to well, Firstly white people didn't "drag random black people" out of africa, They took people who were already POWs and Slaves within africa, and did business with african (as in black people) slave traders, from there they were shipped to america, you See black people enslaved other black people and sold them to the americans.
ON top of this, just because you made money off of the work that my "slave ancestors did" (referring to the few rich families), doesn't mean I should get payed for THIER work and as for, "the whole I could be living in a mansion in africa", facts are that I'm not, but I am a Sailor Enlisted in the United states navy, and I'm not going to live my life off of "what could've been IF *insert random dream of alternate future*" instead I'm going to live off of the what IS. the facts of the matter are that these select families more than likely don't use slaves to make their money, and by god they must've done something right to keep the money going once the slaves left, meaning all slaves did for that "rich family" was "get the ball rolling"
People shouldn't want money for something they never did, or from someone who themselves never did anything bad to them.
I belive the statement Why should I be the one to pay for my Forefathers sins comes into play,
If I shot your brother, then I lost everything, and died of old age lonely and worried, then a few years later my grandson finds a way to keep money flowing, without commiting crimes, would you kill my grandson on Principles?! would you force him to pay for the sins of his grandfather, a man he may not have even known?! I highly doubt it, so this situation here is FAR more extreme than that because they're over 200 years keeping these people apart from even knowing eachother.
as for the purse clenching deal, who cares... people get Scared and nervous because of the sterio types, if you get angry or notice these things in front of these people, they can see it in your eyes and facial expression, and my guess is its only going to help concrete what they belive. if you can be nice to the person and show them that even though you may look "dangerous" (which I would no matter what color I was) that your capable of being a safe and nice to know person (which I luckily get more open people when wearing my naval uniform)
I wasnt saying i agree with people asking for reperations, i just understand the reason for some doing so ... u've never understood where someone was coming from but didnt agree with them ???? ..
And i kno my history ... if u read carefully u'd c where i wrote "if there was no slavery" read another post i wrote where i wrote people have even enslaved their own people ...I kno this ... and i wasnt tryna come out my face or look for sympathy with the purse clinching ... it was an example or the prejudice i've experienced ... I didnt mention when i jumped by 8 white cops when i was 14 years old and hospitalized for 3 months, I'm not looking for that kinda conversation on Gamespot ... i'm just tryna shed a little light from all angles here, we're mostly hearing either angery white kids and angry black n spanish kids ... I'm agreeing with wut ur saying, u left an opening on the table so i jumped in ... this convos interesting ... a little out of hand by now but interesting ...:P
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