Permanent Hammer: Banning on XBL

I'm sure this question has been addressed more than enough time, but bear with me if you like, and give some feedback.

I know the feedback system on XBL allows we civil gamers to "report" abuse in any of its myriad of forms, but the result is never satysfying to the decent, paying customers: "A-Hole X" cusses people out, cheats, gives female gamers hell and drops N-bombs as often as conjunctions, gets reported and his account is eventually banned. A-Hole X then gets another 3-month membership, calls it "A-Hole X2" and is clean-slated to beginning another (albeit short-lived) reign of terror.

Call me crazy, but seeing as our Xboxes are serialized (hence unique,) wouldn't the proper punishment be to BAN THE XBOX off of XBL after, say, three offenses leading to suspension?

As it stands, the jerks that make gaming a chore to be tolerated for the rest of us who only want to have fun aren't really punished. They create these faux accounts with free-memberships and have no other purpose than to get on and cause grief; there's no real "cost" to them save the trip to a Game Stop to grab another eight-buck liscence to be a pain in the arse. But, if they knew that after so many times, eventually their Xbox would be cut off PERMANENTLY form XBL, and it'd take another investment of $400 to get back in the game, they might think twice before "questioning another gamer's sexuality" or "using Cival War era language" and stay their tongues a bit, making XBL a much more civilized place anyone can enjoy.

I know of several people who love to play online, but opt out of XBL simply becuase 9 times outta 10, they end up dealing with pointless, irritating, ignorant verbal assaults. My guess is M$ would earn a lot more money if those on the outside looking in considering a memebership knew XBL was a decent fun place to play. The griefers they'd lose have to be a minority as most of my experiences in lobbies have been ONE or TWO person raining hell on the 7, 11 or 15 others. I'm sure the griefers weighing their options, (banned for stupidity or gaming online like a normal person,) would choose to bite their tongues and continue to play... at least a little more humanely.

Yes, I'm aware of the various "Zones" we can opt to play it, and yes, I'm aware that Underground is slated for those who aren't as feignt of heart, but even in there, certain things just aren't passable in decent society, virtual or otherwise. Trust me, I'm known to drop the occasional F-bomb or S word, and out of RESPECT, I game Underground, my words are never directed at anyone, I don't go out of my way to report one or two "bad words," and I'm always on to have fun first and foremost. I pay to be on XBL just like everyone else; I shouldn't have to defend my ethnicity against ignorance; woman shouldn't have to tolerate verbal groping and molestation; cheatings isn't fun for anyone save the cheater.

Why not cut the jerks off completely to show them that XBL is just as public a forum as say the local mall or restaurant where such outburst and violence (essentially) are not "OK?"

They have completely cut off Xboxes from Live...remember the modding bannings? Those guys can never get onto XBL again without having to purchase another system.Haphilli

i have friends who have modded 360 and they still play online all the time...so im thinking they will get caught for that and soon they will be banned forever....are they still banning people for that cause they seem to not get caught

[QUOTE="Haphilli"]They have completely cut off Xboxes from Live...remember the modding bannings? Those guys can never get onto XBL again without having to purchase another system.volcomstoner180

i have friends who have modded 360 and they still play online all the time...so im thinking they will get caught for that and soon they will be banned forever....are they still banning people for that cause they seem to not get caught

Yeah... it seems it's pretty easy to get away with. Oh well, their time will come eventually.

They have completely cut off Xboxes from Live...remember the modding bannings? Those guys can never get onto XBL again without having to purchase another system.Haphilli

Right, now I wish they'd do the same for the jerk-offs who get off intentionally making the world at large hate them.

i totally agree with you but if they ban the 360 instead of the gamertag then when they can get on live they go to game-stop or somewhere and trade there 360 in, then some kid who saved all there money to get this great gaming console gets stuck with a lame duck of sorts by not being able to get online cause of the consoles first owner. jdukes247

Ooh. Ouch, didn't think of that. :oops:

Well, simple remedy. I'm sure when folks trade in, they test the system to make sure it wokrs, right? Well, all they have to do is pop in an ethernet cable and try to establish the connection. When they see the "Banned" message or code, *error,* the trade in value decreases drastically! A double-whammy and two great reason to keep your mouth on a leash when playing with others! :lol:

i totally agree with you but if they ban the 360 instead of the gamertag then when they can get on live they go to game-stop or somewhere and trade there 360 in, then some kid who saved all there money to get this great gaming console gets stuck with a lame duck of sorts by not being able to get online cause of the consoles first owner. jdukes247

u got a point there

true, but if you get banned dont they ban your gamertag and your billing info also? jdukes247

If you buy your membership with cash (ie: the subscriptions cards) there is no billing info. They can still see your "contact" info, but you can fudge that when it's not linked to how you pay, and they obviously don't consider that information when they ban gamertags. A gross oversight IMHO.

If not the actual console, what about the IP? MsCortana

I won't pretend to be that technically saavy, couldn't a different modem bypass that? Nowadays with multi-PC homes, a new/different modem would be just about as easy to come by as new membership. Still, your solution is still leaps and bounds in the right direction and leagues better than what MS offers in the way of holding griefers accountable currently.

[QUOTE="MsCortana"]If not the actual console, what about the IP? Xprimentyl

I won't pretend to be that technically saavy, couldn't a different modem bypass that? Nowadays with multi-PC homes, a new/different modem would be just about as easy to come by as new membership. Still, your solution is still leaps and bounds in the right direction and leagues better than what MS offers in the way of holding griefers accountable currently.

[QUOTE="MsCortana"]If not the actual console, what about the IP? Xprimentyl

I won't pretend to be that technically saavy, couldn't a different modem bypass that? Nowadays with multi-PC homes, a new/different modem would be just about as easy to come by as new membership. Still, your solution is still leaps and bounds in the right direction and leagues better than what MS offers in the way of holding griefers accountable currently.

In most cases, turning your modem off for 10 seconds, then on again, assigns a different IP. I think the only way to actually ban someone from Live is to ban the console itself (assuming it's modded). In the cases of annoying/offensive members, banned users would probably only have their Gamertag banned from Live. I have yet to know anyone getting banned (not suspended, banned) from Live just from beeing an arse online.

I have yet to know anyone getting banned (not suspended, banned) from Live just from beeing an arse online. Aaron89

That's because they don't do it... and they SHOULD.

If I walked into my local Wal-Mart butt-hole naked and screamed "Show me you (expletive for 'breasts')" at every female shopper, if I'm not arrested, I'm at the very least being shown the door. If I return the next day with a pair of sunglasses on, but still naked and screaming at the ladies... I'm getting arrested. If I do that enough times, eventually, I'm not longer welcome at that Wal-Mart, fully clothed or not.

It's decent society; I question why a powershouse, Fortune 5 establishment like M$ won't hold themselves to a similar standard.

If not the actual console, what about the IP? MsCortana

MS may be big but not big enough to have a ban hammer that can ban IPs.:shock:

[QUOTE="Xprimentyl"]

[QUOTE="MsCortana"]If not the actual console, what about the IP? MsCortana

I won't pretend to be that technically saavy, couldn't a different modem bypass that? Nowadays with multi-PC homes, a new/different modem would be just about as easy to come by as new membership. Still, your solution is still leaps and bounds in the right direction and leagues better than what MS offers in the way of holding griefers accountable currently.

The modem/router as a IP assigned by the ISP i think (dont quote me though) then the router hands out each device a seperate IP address.

[QUOTE="Aaron89"] I have yet to know anyone getting banned (not suspended, banned) from Live just from beeing an arse online. Xprimentyl

That's because they don't do it... and they SHOULD.

If I walked into my local Wal-Mart butt-hole naked and screamed "Show me you (expletive for 'breasts')" at every female shopper, if I'm not arrested, I'm at the very least being shown the door. If I return the next day with a pair of sunglasses on, but still naked and screaming at the ladies... I'm getting arrested. If I do that enough times, eventually, I'm not longer welcome at that Wal-Mart, fully clothed or not.

It's decent society; I question why a powershouse, Fortune 5 establishment like M$ won't hold themselves to a similar standard.

I completely understand what you're getting at - and banning these fools would significantly benefit XBL as a whole. However, just think how hard it would be to implement? Having lost a match, I could be bitter and send complaints with absolutely no merit ... others can do that too.

But in reference to your Wal-Mart example, they could easily send out "security" or "police" (of course, they won't use those terms) and patrol XBL. They'll be normal gamers, but directly connected with MS in order to weed out the bad apples of the community. The only way to catch them, is to make them believe they aren't being watched. These individuals have special tools in which can record voice and video of those cheating/glitching/violating the terms of use; including not respecting other players.

[QUOTE="jdukes247"] i totally agree with you but if they ban the 360 instead of the gamertag then when they can get on live they go to game-stop or somewhere and trade there 360 in, then some kid who saved all there money to get this great gaming console gets stuck with a lame duck of sorts by not being able to get online cause of the consoles first owner. Xprimentyl

Ooh. Ouch, didn't think of that. :oops:

Well, simple remedy. I'm sure when folks trade in, they test the system to make sure it wokrs, right? Well, all they have to do is pop in an ethernet cable and try to establish the connection. When they see the "Banned" message or code, *error,* the trade in value decreases drastically! A double-whammy and two great reason to keep your mouth on a leash when playing with others! :lol:

What about IP address banning.

If not the actual console, what about the IP? MsCortana

This would work the best(unless they are using dialup, which it wouldn't be) Thats what they do with games on the PC. My guess is microsoft just wants to ban their accounts so the person would have to create a new account with new moneyz, and thus getting more loot, and then more lulz because of the amount of cash they have. I have never seen a bill gates cry, EVER!

[QUOTE="Aaron89"] I have yet to know anyone getting banned (not suspended, banned) from Live just from beeing an arse online. Xprimentyl

That's because they don't do it... and they SHOULD.

If I walked into my local Wal-Mart butt-hole naked and screamed "Show me you (expletive for 'breasts')" at every female shopper, if I'm not arrested, I'm at the very least being shown the door. If I return the next day with a pair of sunglasses on, but still naked and screaming at the ladies... I'm getting arrested. If I do that enough times, eventually, I'm not longer welcome at that Wal-Mart, fully clothed or not.

It's decent society; I question why a powershouse, Fortune 5 establishment like M$ won't hold themselves to a similar standard.

Wow, great point. I had some jerk message me because I posted in these forums complaining about racism and cussing over and over. The guy messaged me saying I should just put up with it and quit whining. I reported him and they can check my inbox. I can't beleive he thought I should have to put up with him. He should never be allowed to have another account. My 7 year old plays Halo 3 with me and I have to mute everyone, heck even when he doesn't play I mute everyone. I tried to make a forum on here to report gamertags of people who cuss and say racist things continously, so we could all block them after their name pops up, but my forum got lockrd by the moderators, I still can't figure out why. Obviously Gamespot supports those immature PUNK gamers.

I think they should get gamers from the community like they do with live ambassadors to find them then they could find more abusers in less time.

[QUOTE="Aaron89"]

I completely understand what you're getting at - and banning these fools would significantly benefit XBL as a whole. However, just think how hard it would be to implement? Having lost a match, I could be bitter and send complaints with absolutely no merit ... others can do that too.

But in reference to your Wal-Mart example, they could easily send out "security" or "police" (of course, they won't use those terms) and patrol XBL. They'll be normal gamers, but directly connected with MS in order to weed out the bad apples of the community. The only way to catch them, is to make them believe they aren't being watched. These individuals have special tools in which can record voice and video of those cheating/glitching/violating the terms of use; including not respecting other players.

Aaron89

Yeah, they do have moderators, but to my knowledge, they take no "real-time" action so much as build up track records on frequent offenders leading to Gamertag bans.

To your point, I would hate to think of getting banned over a sore loser, but that's why I'd agree to a "three strikes" rule. I don't mean three sinlge offenses, I'm mean three accounts on the same Xbox going the distance and actually being banned from XBL for abuse. I think that process would weed out the legit complaints from the phoney ones; I don't think anyone who manages to get themselves banned three times has much of a leg to stand on. What would they say: "It wasn't me; I just kept playing with thousands of sore losers!" :roll: And I think uping the number of moderators would allow for better chances of catchin griefers in the act as well.

Just a quick note on my post above, I don't mind some cussing, but when its f this and f that, and your moms this, and i f'ed your wife you stupid n*** , thats ridiculous and should be stopped.locoidontknow

but your mom is that, so its true. anyways, i think people that talk about every day life, or where they are from on xbox live is ridiculous and needs to stop, I'm trying to get in the role of master chief, i assume he swears a lot!

[QUOTE="Xprimentyl"]

[QUOTE="Aaron89"] I have yet to know anyone getting banned (not suspended, banned) from Live just from beeing an arse online. locoidontknow

That's because they don't do it... and they SHOULD.

If I walked into my local Wal-Mart butt-hole naked and screamed "Show me you (expletive for 'breasts')" at every female shopper, if I'm not arrested, I'm at the very least being shown the door. If I return the next day with a pair of sunglasses on, but still naked and screaming at the ladies... I'm getting arrested. If I do that enough times, eventually, I'm not longer welcome at that Wal-Mart, fully clothed or not.

It's decent society; I question why a powershouse, Fortune 5 establishment like M$ won't hold themselves to a similar standard.

Wow, great point. I had some jerk message me because I posted in these forums complaining about racism and cussing over and over. The guy messaged me saying I should just put up with it and quit whining. I reported him and they can check my inbox. I can't beleive he thought I should have to put up with him. He should never be allowed to have another account. My 7 year old plays Halo 3 with me and I have to mute everyone, heck even when he doesn't play I mute everyone. I tried to make a forum on here to report gamertags of people who cuss and say racist things continously, so we could all block them after their name pops up, but my forum got lockrd by the moderators, I still can't figure out why. Obviously Gamespot supports those immature PUNK gamers.

Yeah, a sort of neighborhood watch for XBL on Game Spot! Great idea in theory, but I'm not surprised the canned it :roll: Freedom of speech- as long as you're not making sense!

[QUOTE="Xprimentyl"]

[QUOTE="MsCortana"]If not the actual console, what about the IP? MsCortana

I won't pretend to be that technically saavy, couldn't a different modem bypass that? Nowadays with multi-PC homes, a new/different modem would be just about as easy to come by as new membership. Still, your solution is still leaps and bounds in the right direction and leagues better than what MS offers in the way of holding griefers accountable currently.

yes they definetely should have a better system, its brutal dealing with douche bags online that just yell random annoyances and drop n bombs all day

even if you are black you still shouldnt be dropping n bombs on xbl or ever....especially on xbl when little kids playin hear it and repeat it a billion times in a sqeeky voice

The only real option is to look for like minded gamers and add them to your friends list until you build up enough of a list that someone is online at all times who you can game with.

Although I do like the thread idea with gamertags of douchebags. Why would they take that down? They should do it themselves as a community service. I silence everyone most of the time too but then every once in a while I'll get kids giving me negative reviews because I didn't say anything back when they called me a n word and said they raped my mom.

And that's why I only play with friends.

I'm sure this question has been addressed more than enough time, but bear with me if you like, and give some feedback.

I know the feedback system on XBL allows we civil gamers to "report" abuse in any of its myriad of forms, but the result is never satysfying to the decent, paying customers: "A-Hole X" cusses people out, cheats, gives female gamers hell and drops N-bombs as often as conjunctions, gets reported and his account is eventually banned. A-Hole X then gets another 3-month membership, calls it "A-Hole X2" and is clean-slated to beginning another (albeit short-lived) reign of terror.

Call me crazy, but seeing as our Xboxes are serialized (hence unique,) wouldn't the proper punishment be to BAN THE XBOX off of XBL after, say, three offenses leading to suspension?

As it stands, the jerks that make gaming a chore to be tolerated for the rest of us who only want to have fun aren't really punished. They create these faux accounts with free-memberships and have no other purpose than to get on and cause grief; there's no real "cost" to them save the trip to a Game Stop to grab another eight-buck liscence to be a pain in the arse. But, if they knew that after so many times, eventually their Xbox would be cut off PERMANENTLY form XBL, and it'd take another investment of $400 to get back in the game, they might think twice before "questioning another gamer's sexuality" or "using Cival War era language" and stay their tongues a bit, making XBL a much more civilized place anyone can enjoy.

I know of several people who love to play online, but opt out of XBL simply becuase 9 times outta 10, they end up dealing with pointless, irritating, ignorant verbal assaults. My guess is M$ would earn a lot more money if those on the outside looking in considering a memebership knew XBL was a decent fun place to play. The griefers they'd lose have to be a minority as most of my experiences in lobbies have been ONE or TWO person raining hell on the 7, 11 or 15 others. I'm sure the griefers weighing their options, (banned for stupidity or gaming online like a normal person,) would choose to bite their tongues and continue to play... at least a little more humanely.

Yes, I'm aware of the various "Zones" we can opt to play it, and yes, I'm aware that Underground is slated for those who aren't as feignt of heart, but even in there, certain things just aren't passable in decent society, virtual or otherwise. Trust me, I'm known to drop the occasional F-bomb or S word, and out of RESPECT, I game Underground, my words are never directed at anyone, I don't go out of my way to report one or two "bad words," and I'm always on to have fun first and foremost. I pay to be on XBL just like everyone else; I shouldn't have to defend my ethnicity against ignorance; woman shouldn't have to tolerate verbal groping and molestation; cheatings isn't fun for anyone save the cheater.

Why not cut the jerks off completely to show them that XBL is just as public a forum as say the local mall or restaurant where such outburst and violence (essentially) are not "OK?"

Xprimentyl

Stop crying and grow up. If your not mature enough to listen to people say the F word or be mean on Xbox Live you're not mature enough for it in real life. People are mean and say not so nice things and if you are going to cry like this because people do it over the internet and get away with it what are youu going to do when you go out into the real world away from mommy and daddy's house and meet some real a-holes, racists, and all sorts of non-friendly people ehh? You gonna cry about it then too if it happens at work and say you can't work with this person anymore and they should be fired and never allowed to work there again?

Ket's argument is fairly well flawed, though, because Xbox Live is a public forum that's owned by a corporation. Not unlike any restaurant, retail outlet, what have you, where such behavior would be grounds for dismissal or removal.

If you think the world outside is like XBL, Ket, I suggest you go to the south side of chicago, find your way into -any- bar or restaurant, and start dropping n-bombs like they're going out of style.

I'll send you flowers, in the hospital.

One problem is if those A**es sell their 360 to someone else who doesn't cuss or do anything vulgar. Now i understand that sharper punishments should be made... mabye if they get suspended for 3 times they can only play their 360 (even if it is sp for 1 hour and then will be shut off automatically). Of course they could just unplug it from their connection to the internet, but hey it would teach them more of a lesson (btw this punishment would be for like a week or something).

I don't think Perm bans are the best idea just for the reason of selling used. But mabye another punishment like they don't suspend them from Live, instead they disconnect them on 1 minute intervals (if they can keep track of suspended people they can do this). After each punishment a message could be sent saying "the problem with your 360 was put in affect for your suspension". That way they know why, but only after.

[QUOTE="jdukes247"] i totally agree with you but if they ban the 360 instead of the gamertag then when they can get on live they go to game-stop or somewhere and trade there 360 in, then some kid who saved all there money to get this great gaming console gets stuck with a lame duck of sorts by not being able to get online cause of the consoles first owner. Xprimentyl

Ooh. Ouch, didn't think of that. :oops:

Well, simple remedy. I'm sure when folks trade in, they test the system to make sure it wokrs, right? Well, all they have to do is pop in an ethernet cable and try to establish the connection. When they see the "Banned" message or code, *error,* the trade in value decreases drastically! A double-whammy and two great reason to keep your mouth on a leash when playing with others! :lol:

Ket's argument is fairly well flawed, though, because Xbox Live is a public forum that's owned by a corporation. Not unlike any restaurant, retail outlet, what have you, where such behavior would be grounds for dismissal or removal.

If you think the world outside is like XBL, Ket, I suggest you go to the south side of chicago, find your way into -any- bar or restaurant, and start dropping n-bombs like they're going out of style.

I'll send you flowers, in the hospital.

Dexteron

Well put my friend

A bunch of 5 year old british kids always trash talk me for being american, people like that deserve to be banned.

i totally agree with you but if they ban the 360 instead of the gamertag then when they can get on live they go to game-stop or somewhere and trade there 360 in, then some kid who saved all there money to get this great gaming console gets stuck with a lame duck of sorts by not being able to get online cause of the consoles first owner. jdukes247

Let the buyer beware. The phrase applies especially in these situations. That's a reality people have to deal with when buying a pre-owned system.

[QUOTE="jdukes247"] i totally agree with you but if they ban the 360 instead of the gamertag then when they can get on live they go to game-stop or somewhere and trade there 360 in, then some kid who saved all there money to get this great gaming console gets stuck with a lame duck of sorts by not being able to get online cause of the consoles first owner. Xprimentyl

Ooh. Ouch, didn't think of that. :oops:

Well, simple remedy. I'm sure when folks trade in, they test the system to make sure it wokrs, right? Well, all they have to do is pop in an ethernet cable and try to establish the connection. When they see the "Banned" message or code, *error,* the trade in value decreases drastically! A double-whammy and two great reason to keep your mouth on a leash when playing with others! :lol:

they cant do that at Gamestop,no Internet

Stop crying and grow up. If your not mature enough to listen to people say the F word or be mean on Xbox Live you're not mature enough for it in real life. People are mean and say not so nice things and if you are going to cry like this because people do it over the internet and get away with it what are youu going to do when you go out into the real world away from mommy and daddy's house and meet some real a-holes, racists, and all sorts of non-friendly people ehh? You gonna cry about it then too if it happens at work and say you can't work with this person anymore and they should be fired and never allowed to work there again?

Ket87

Man, I hate working 2nd shift: start a decent thread, and in my abscence, the detractors come out! :lol:

Yes, I'm fully aware of the mute function and end up utilizing it damn near everytime I get on XBL. And as I said, I don't have a problem with non-directed swearing; F,B,S and any other *-bombs out there don't bother me; play with me long enough and I paint you a mural of "flavored" language myself. But that's not the point nor the focus of my discontent.

The entire purpose of XBL is create a community of gamers from diverse backgrounds and varying skill levels who can challenege and enjoy one another. Getting on and having to mute everyone completely defeats the purpose; I don't think any of us want to play in silence just as none of us want to get on and be personally attacked.

What kind of world do we live in wherein someone is "whining" when asking simply to be respected along with eveyone else in a game. Harrassment by its very definition is illegal in the vast majority of society.

I have grown up, obviously moreso that some who don't see these issues as huge problems not to be ignored. Would you apply the same "grow up and ignore it" ideal to every public forum? Shoul people be allowed to act foolish and insult/hurt others everywhere in public society? Is it the victim's fault or lack of maturity for wanting to see violators held accountable for their vicious attacks?

I don't think I ever once "cried" in the original post nor did I drop such an impotent, childish word as "mean." These people aren't being "mean;" they're being WRONG. They're being hateful and creating hostile environments wherein the public at large is forced to be constantly wary and uncomfortable while trying to enjoy themselves.

I challenege any griefer out there: on yournext vacation, let me tag along and spout insults and derrogatory comments in your ear the entire time and we'll see how long it goes on before you attack me. I'll be sure to remind you that you need to stop "crying," ignore me and "grow up."