Please someone bash Fable II

[QUOTE="MetalCore84"][QUOTE="joke_man"][QUOTE="grafkhun"]

FINALLY! now that I have seen everything in life I can rest easy and let my soul go into the beyond, alas good world, you've served me well, farewell!

ok I'm back, let's help you out TC , wouldn't want you to lose that precious hype machine you know ;)

Fable will be flop: firstly, it's a western RPG. We all know that only those people from that island with all the sushi are capable of making good RGPs, cleary. Secondly, your 'freedom' is artificial. Everything in the game is not you deciding it, everything is already laid out on pre-branched pathways and all the choices will be artificial or trivial. Combat sucks as well, it looks ridicolous. Also it will just be another western RPG, with generic locales and cliched enemies/abilities/weapons. Lastly Molyneux is using Fable 2 to fulfill his promises on Fable 1. This means that he will use Fable 3 to fulfill his promises on Fable 2.

it's been bashed, let us hope you find this a stupid post and be able to fill your hyp meter again.

great_rulo

I respect the every persons opinion, just as much as the next guy. However, when someone comes online, complaining and being critical about the freedom in Western RPGs, I can only think how unintelligent that person is! Go ahead, bash Fable 2, but if you do, please use a valid point or opinion that actually has value...

I say this with a point, the largest difference that comes to mind when looking at Japanese RPGs and Western RPGs is freedom and choice! I have played very few Japanese RPGs where my choices or player development affect the way the game actually turns out. A majority of JRPGs, follow there own story nearly to a 'T'. This is seen in Final Fantasy series, Pokemon, Dragon Quest, the Tales series, etc. (there are a bunch and nearly all follow that same formula with little choice for real character choice, growth and freedom)

This is the complete oposite of Western RPGs which have really started to focus of the freedom of choice idea with games like Oblivion, Mass Effect, KOTOR 1 and 2, Fable, etc.

I think that was a very rediculous reason to bash a whole group of Western RPGs considering that JRPGs are far to stuck in their own stories rather than giving you choice).

Amen brother! Though to be fair this guy said he was just kidding (but that does not mean there is not a butt fun load of people just like it). Neither should be bashed it just comes down to how you perfer to play as a gamer.

Are you guys **** serious?! neither Oblivion, Mass Letdown or Fable can be compared to the best of the JRPGs, like Final Fantasy Tactics, Xenogears, Suikoden 1 and 2, FFVIII, Musashi, Persona, Disgaea(its not one of the best, but it has quite a large group of fans) and some others, at least if you're going to compare WRPGs to JRPGs use better examples, Fallout, Baldurs Gate, KOTOR, Morrowind, Arcanum, Vampire X(is the name correct?) and dozens of others, Mass Effect and Oblivion suck compared to the real WRPGs.

Just to set the story straight, you quoted me and then tried to correct me by using KOTOR as an example, you must have missed the part of my ranting where I listed KOTOR as an example!

BTW, I wasn't just naming WRPGs, I was naming some of the more well known WRPGs that are a good example of elaborating on the idea of freedom of choice etc. in WRPGs as compared to JRPGs, but as it seems, you skimmed what I had written and wrote a short comment about JRPGs being better.

Your opinion sucks, you obviously didn't get my point, and I really don't care what you think, because apparently you are incapable of reading a paragraph or two properly.....

BTW, as a matter of opinion, Baldurs Gate is not a good example of Free choice in an RPG, and to put things bluntly, I don't even think it's a good RPG. It lasts barely a few hours, has shallow gameplay, it reuses enemies throughout the game, has no difficulty curve, and is a hack n slash nightmare to say the least (has this guy even played the game?).

PEACE OUT

I'll bash it for ya. Right now Fable 1 (the newer one with the extra quests) is sitting next to my 360 collecting dust. I got it free (that's right, free) from MS themselves. Wanna know something else? I have yet to open it. The reason is simple, I don't feel like playing it. I know the genre, I know the type, and this type of game is boring.

Western RPGs are all lifeless and boring. There's about a million quests where you have to run random errands for people and the battles suck. Basically, beating the game is like a chore. You're taking countless hours out of your life to complete random tasks in the game that really serve no purpose.

I've read about Fable 1, and I've heard it sucked. It didn't live up to the hype. What do you think Fable 2 is doing right now? Collecting more and more hype. It's going to fail just like the first one, and you sir, will have wasted 60$, and more importantly, countless hours of your life, on a subpar, less than dirt game.

lol seriously though I have nothing against the game I just felt like bashing it. Feels good to get the anger out :P have fun arguing about it, hope I gave you enough bashing.

I'll bash it for ya. Right now Fable 1 (the newer one with the extra quests) is sitting next to my 360 collecting dust. I got it free (that's right, free) from MS themselves. Wanna know something else? I have yet to open it. The reason is simple, I don't feel like playing it. I know the genre, I know the type, and this type of game is boring.

Western RPGs are all lifeless and boring. There's about a million quests where you have to run random errands for people and the battles suck. Basically, beating the game is like a chore. You're taking countless hours out of your life to complete random tasks in the game that really serve no purpose.

I've read about Fable 1, and I've heard it sucked. It didn't live up to the hype. What do you think Fable 2 is doing right now? Collecting more and more hype. It's going to fail just like the first one, and you sir, will have wasted 60$, and more importantly, countless hours of your life, on a subpar, less than dirt game.

lol seriously though I have nothing against the game I just felt like bashing it. Feels good to get the anger out :P have fun arguing about it, hope I gave you enough bashing.

wwervin

Your sick. I thought you were serious at first! But please, any one else that posts and bash's Fable II, only do so if your being serious (though I thought it was funny this time)

First off I'd like to say that all the points that I have read are completely valid. None of the points I have heard are wrong save the one point that has surfaced of Peter Molyneux not delivering on all of his promises in the first Fable. The next point I would like to point out is that all of the other opinions that I have read are subjective, which is different from valid. If a game has a combat system that someone dislikes that is a matter of opinion and is subjective and valid at the same time. However, it does not change that the combat system may be good it was just not to the person's liking. Peter Molyneux has apologized for the mistake of hyping the original fable beyond what it was. I personally have played Fable through a number of times and would say that it had a lot of frustrating points, but was still enjoyable for the fact that it did push the genre in new directions even if they were not as well advanced directions as Peter Molyneux said they were. Because of his apologies and his track record that is his history of making many other good games, for example, populace and Black & White I'm going to let Fable slide and give Fable II a shot since the first Fable was in my view his first stutter in his successful profile and also because the things that he has been hyping this time around I have seen and read through various sources. So this is my opinion. I think Peter Molyneux is great because he is a risk taker unlike most developers who push only one line at a time and so evolve their genre one chromosome at a time. Where as Peter Molyneux tries pushing farther and in more directions and if it isn't successful and I don't like it big deal there will be other games out there and maybe in his failure he will inspire others despite of the games possible future lack of success, which I personally don't think will happen.Omega_HaVoc

Right on the money! Though in the future some paragraph breaks would be nice on the eyes. I would like to point out that Peter is really showing off what Fable II is as much as he can to prove its nothing like Fable I (in terms of what Fable I was hyped up to be), its much better.

So for anyone who is judging Fable II because of what Peter said about Fable I, please give Fable II a chance. You may be pleasantly surprised. (also I apologize for any bad gramer or spelling, I am no writer!)

I cant bash it as it isnt out yet, but I can tell you the first was a HUGE disappointment for me so I wont hold my breath for this!king-kill33

I think in a way thats why you can trust that Lionhead is determined not to make another flop. How could they make Fable II worse then Fable I! (especially if you watch any extended interview with Peter Molyneux, try the one here on GameSpot)

I didn't like Fable at all I returned it the day I got it. I'm sure the sequel is going to flop also. ELDER SCROLLS FTW!gamerfreak1991

Meh. To me, Elder Scrolls Oblivion was a huge disappoint as well. I dont see why people like it so much.

As for Fable 2. It will do well, whether you like it or not. The chances of it flopping is very slim.

[QUOTE="king-kill33"]I cant bash it as it isnt out yet, but I can tell you the first was a HUGE disappointment for me so I wont hold my breath for this!MetalCore84

I think in a way thats why you can trust that Lionhead is determined not to make another flop. How could they make Fable II worse then Fable I! (especially if you watch any extended interview with Peter Molyneux, try the one here on GameSpot)

Exactly. I think a lot of the people here that posted negative comments probably haven't even done their research on Fable 2 yet. You'll see half of them buying the game on launch, watch..

[QUOTE="gamerfreak1991"]I didn't like Fable at all I returned it the day I got it. I'm sure the sequel is going to flop also. ELDER SCROLLS FTW!Elann2008

Meh. To me, Elder Scrolls Oblivion was a huge disappoint as well. I dont see why people like it so much.

As for Fable 2. It will do well, whether you like it or not. The chances of it flopping is very slim.

I didnt expect to see one of my all time favorite series in this forum, but I am happy it showed up. I agree to a certain degree on Oblivion. I thought it was a great and fun game but it lacked so much compared to Morrowind. It seems like they went too far on making the game for more casual gamers.

The level scalling is my biggest complaint. In Morrowind you could go anywhere right from the start and find horriable powerful enemies (and items/weapons/armor). In Oblivion everything is based on your level (EVERYTHING) and as you level up you will eventually find better armor, weapons, and items. That just seems unreal and to me unfun. One of my passions in Morrowind was to just wander the land and would usually stumble upon some awesome weapon or ect (legendary ones even). You just cant do that in Olblivion which really takes away from the game for me.

But back to Fable II...