shooters that don't have "legacy" control option

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#1 _SOULtoSQUEEZE_
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alright so i've been using the "legacy" control option ever since the first halo came out and have become used to it. some games still offer it, like cod4 and 5, but it seems that less and less shooters offer the option. if you don't know what the legacy option is, you move forward and backward AND look left and right all with the left thumbstick, leaving the right thumbstick to look up and down and strafe left and right. its pretty frustrating that some of my favorite games to play dont offer the legacy option (killzone 2, battlefield 1943, orange box) especiallysince it can't be THAT hard to include it, can it? i still get by on the default controls and am not terrible, but im much better using the legacy option.anyone else use the legacy option for shooters? modern warfare 2 better have it or thats just really gonna suck. thoughts, comments?

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#2 Carnifex726
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hmm well i've never really heardo of that, then again in some games its probly not called legacy but still has the same control scheme. i just use the normal shooter controls

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#3 _SOULtoSQUEEZE_
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#4 NewShire
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Wow, I haven't heard of anyone using that control scheme since Goldeneye on the N64

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#5 BLAS1AN
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there are numerous websites dedicated to legacy gamers providing updated info on this. im not a legacy gamer so i wouldnt know which site is best. these sites have actually sent petitions to get developers to use the legacy option.

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#6 _SOULtoSQUEEZE_
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there are numerous websites dedicated to legacy gamers providing updated info on this. im not a legacy gamer so i wouldnt know which site is best. these sites have actually sent petitions to get developers to use the legacy option.

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really? wow i didnt know that. im gonna look into this.
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#7 rattleheadxyz
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Is it really that hard to use the modern control scheme?

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#8 _SOULtoSQUEEZE_
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Is it really that hard to use the modern control scheme?

rattleheadxyz
no, i can use it just fine, but im alot better using legacy since thats what im used to. find a game with the legacy option and use that and see how well you do lol.
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#9 TaxAndDeath
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You don't find legacy setups because people don't use archaic control schemes

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#10 BLAS1AN
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[QUOTE="rattleheadxyz"]

Is it really that hard to use the modern control scheme?

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no, i can use it just fine, but im alot better using legacy since thats what im used to. find a game with the legacy option and use that and see how well you do lol.

legacy has been around since the first fps for consoles goldeneye so I can understand why you like it.legacy was probably the default scheme back then until modern developers today changed it to a new default scheme.

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#11 NewShire
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The original Red Faction for the PlayStation was the first game I've ever played with the "normal" FPS control scheme

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#12 mack_d4ddy
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Hello. I use legacy layout & have been for around fifteen years. I find this controller layout far better than default personally, this is proven by consistently kicking my friends arses on games like halo & modern warfare. To say this is an out of date control scheme is ludicrous, its simply another control scheme. Therefore not including it & others in all games is a no brainer as people like myself won't buy games without it & that makes no business sense. I also think this borders on discrimination as it fails to cater for everyone & assumes every person is the same. I have a huge list of games I haven't bought because of this problem & more annoying is games like half life (ps2) & farcry (xbox) that had the option in the first game but not the second. Regardless of thumbstick layout why aren't buttons customizable any more, it seems that developers have just become lazy fat cats now that there is so much money in the gaming world. They have forgotten about people like me who use this "old skool" layout, also the people that provided them with money in the early days of gaming. If it wasn't for us they wouldn't exist!
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#13 Palantas
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I think it's utterly ridiculous in this day and age that games don't let you customize the controls. You'll find it here and there, like on The Orange Box or Unreal Tournament, but most games lock you into a small selection of pre-set control schemes, which are usually just small variations on one another. There is no excuse for not having customizable controls. It's not like it's a major programming challenge.

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#15 _SOULtoSQUEEZE_
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A nice little surprise to see this old thread revived haha. I agree completely about how ridiculous it is not to be able to customize controls. I dont understand why every shooter wouldnt offer the legacy option, even if the majority of players use default. It cant be that difficult or time consuming to throw the option in there. After playing the bad company 2 beta I was pleasantly surprised to see that they included the legacy option after the first game didnt have it. It makes the game much more enjoyable.

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#16 chaoscougar1
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do not bother me cause i dont use legacy controls :P
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#17 mack_d4ddy
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do not bother me cause i dont use legacy controls :Pchaoscougar1
Why do people leave pointless comments? Thanks for the info on bad company, I didn't buy the first one because of the lack of legacy. Hopefully the gaming industry will realise that not including all four possible thumbstick layouts is putting alot of people off gaming all together. Especially it seems my age group (I'm 33), in general we have a greater disposable income than that of a teenager so alienating this sector of the market doesn't make any sense. I have been trying to modify the controller settings in crysis to allow legacy, it uses actionmaps.xml to maps sticks & buttons. This file is easily understood and fairly easily modified and used in all games for windows titles as far as i'm aware, apart from some minor problems I have managed to acheive a customised controller layout. If I can do it on pc with my limited knowledge why can't developers across all platforms.
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#18 BLAS1AN
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there are websites out there dedicated to legacy users. some even have petitions to developers. Valve actually listened and added legacy to left 4 dead

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Is legacy the one where (on the n64 controller) where you look around with the joystick and strafe left / right with the right-c and left-c and move forward / back with up-c down-c?

I liked that one anyway, closest thing to a controller mimicing a keyboard imho.

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That's rough, i don't use it but i know what it must suck not to have the control scheme you're used to. If the game has an inverted normal or a non-inverted flying mechanic

it get really uncomfortable

Is it really that hard to use the modern control scheme?

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And yes, i'm surprised he can do both. It's like trying to write left handed. And when games get intense and you start to get instinctual it's frustrating for your character not to do what you want.

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Is legacy the one where (on the n64 controller) where you look around with the joystick and strafe left / right with the right-c and left-c and move forward / back with up-c down-c?

I liked that one anyway, closest thing to a controller mimicing a keyboard imho.

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No thats the southpaw which is a reverse of default, legacy is move forward/back & look left/right on left stick then strafe left/right & look up/down on right stick. But even southpaw is left out of alot of games. I have managed to set legacy controls in bioshock on the pc by editing the configuration files & it works perfectly. Still having problems with crysis, I can only strafe if I'm walking or turning, not independently. I can't say I'm surprised by this problem as controller support in crysis is pretty terrible as standard, it seems it was patched on as an after thought. Plus any time I ask for advice on the forums all I get is "why do you want to use a gamepad on pc" from the anti console police, they do seem determined to bring about death to pc gaming. Maybe if full gamepad configuration was available on pc as well as console you would see rise in pc gaming as there is no doubt it delivers the best gaming experience, provided you have the money for a gaming rig.
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#23 jad206
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Rainbow 6 Vegas 2 has this and I am fairly sure that Borderlands has it too.

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#24 _SOULtoSQUEEZE_
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[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]

Is legacy the one where (on the n64 controller) where you look around with the joystick and strafe left / right with the right-c and left-c and move forward / back with up-c down-c?

I liked that one anyway, closest thing to a controller mimicing a keyboard imho.

mack_d4ddy

No thats the southpaw which is a reverse of default, legacy is move forward/back & look left/right on left stick then strafe left/right & look up/down on right stick. But even southpaw is left out of alot of games. I have managed to set legacy controls in bioshock on the pc by editing the configuration files & it works perfectly. Still having problems with crysis, I can only strafe if I'm walking or turning, not independently. I can't say I'm surprised by this problem as controller support in crysis is pretty terrible as standard, it seems it was patched on as an after thought. Plus any time I ask for advice on the forums all I get is "why do you want to use a gamepad on pc" from the anti console police, they do seem determined to bring about death to pc gaming. Maybe if full gamepad configuration was available on pc as well as console you would see rise in pc gaming as there is no doubt it delivers the best gaming experience, provided you have the money for a gaming rig.

yeah i know what you mean. i like using a gamepad on pc too, and the crysis controls were pretty rough with it.

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#25 _SOULtoSQUEEZE_
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That's rough, i don't use it but i know what it must suck not to have the control scheme you're used to. If the game has an inverted normal or a non-inverted flying mechanic

it get really uncomfortable

[QUOTE="rattleheadxyz"]

Is it really that hard to use the modern control scheme?

vendettared468

And yes, i'm surprised he can do both. It's like trying to write left handed. And when games get intense and you start to get instinctual it's frustrating for your character not to do what you want.

yeah i pretty much had to force myself to play with default since alot of games dont offer legacy anymore. to anyone wondering why can't i just use default, try this and you'll see how odd it is to use a stick configuration you're not accustomed to and see how much fun you have with the game.

find a game with legacy, and use that instead of default. see how long you last until you switch back. yeah it sucks. luckily ive gotten good enough with default that i can atleast have fun with a game, but i still 100% prefer legacy.

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#26 StalwartXX
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Now this is just my two penneth but that sounds like the most awful control scheme ever :S Whats wrong with one to move and one to look lol

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#27 _SOULtoSQUEEZE_
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there are websites out there dedicated to legacy users. some even have petitions to developers. Valve actually listened and added legacy to left 4 dead

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really? did they add legacy to left 4 dead 2 as well? i had the 2nd one but i never saw the legacy option if they had it. it would make the game much more enjoyable.