Speculation: MS to drop out of console race next gen for games for windows?

[QUOTE="james28893"]It's possible. But the PS3 hasn't made money yet either I think. I am surprised the 360 still hasn't made money though.kevy619

it is right now, outselling the wii in north america ftw. Plus Halo 3 has already sold around 4 million copies.

numbers of copies dont matter, its revenu that matters.

except that in 2006 they said they were already working on the 360's successor FlawlessSeasons

link please. that would also break my heart. to talk of a new console when your console is still so new...

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="GlassDominion"]

[QUOTE="Geek12"]I dont think i can see them droping out just yet. It takes a lot to kill a gaming division of a company like micorsoft. And think, naughty dog left, did that mean that sony was in for it at the time?GlassDominion

the diffrence with sony is...they make money off their gaming division. its not a financial black hole like MSs gaming division currently is.

i also dont recall 2 developers suddenly leaving from MS for mysterious reasons either.

Sony also doesnt try to promote the same game on 2 platforms.

why did you even bring sony into this?

Microsoft is so rich that it doesn't matter. Sony is no where near as rich as MS so when they make money of the gaming industry, it actually matters. It doesn't matter to MS. They are certainly not going to drop out of the console race, but if they ever do, PC GAMING FTW!

MS is also a company. they didnt get on top by being stupid.

when you have a division of your company that has lost you 11-13 billion in 6 years, one would think that division would go away.

11-13 billion?!?! Where did you even get that magic number?

@ kevy619

the 360 has also lost MS billions, its not just nvidia screwing them over.

GlassDominion the civilized conversation is over. The fanboys have entered and the mods will soon lock the thread. Lets just leave it as is.Miguel16

it was fun for the first 1.25 pages.

we had some real discussion!

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"]dont you guys realize that even though MGS seems to be in a hole MS still has other divisions that are profiting so MGS will always have the money they need and won't shut down till clearly defeated. Think of it like this. You lose feeling in your legs after a car crash but the doctor says there is hope. You dont just go and cut your legs off because at the moment they are useless. You go to phyical therapy untill you regain control. Same process applies here. Sure MS just lost a billion dollars because of the whole extended warrenty but that certainly doesn't mean they wont recover. if what you say is true about the 360 having only another 3 years left in it then thats 3 years to make up their losses and while they might not break even this gen the closer they get the easier it will be next gen.GlassDominion

the original xbox never made a dime

the 360 has yet to make a dime, and it costed them billions for the warrentey.

13billion is alot to ask for in 3-5 years from the gaming division. especially when they are still loosing money, they are not even on their way to break even.

those being my points, rather than releasing another console and costing MS even more money...i think they might favor the platform just about everyone has, windows.

actually , the xbox 360 , in a report i read about a year ago has been making a profit since gears of war came out last year. then this year u have halo 3, how many 360s do u think they sold to people that want to play halo3? . look the reason sony has a better track record is this reason only, japanese, the are very eager to only adopt there own product, the export 1000 times more than they import, they like there own made stufff more., all of microsofts sales come from north america and europe. also..... out of all the friends u have that have a gaming machine, how many have a 360 vs a ps3? i honestly i know no one that has a ps3, all of em sold there ps2 to get a 360.

ok to start with MS has that much money that they could give all there Xbox's 360s away for free and still make a profit from all there other divisions;) Bill Gates makes around $250 a second and donates 75% of his income every year to charity:D

Also in the USA we hear about school shooting and all this other crazy thing so every one thinks americans are bad! But really this things happen all over the world everyday. Its only cause the media watches the USA like a hawk that every one thinks this way. Well the same can be said with gaming, all us gamers read MS gonna lose a billion dollars cos of this or that but if you subtract that billion from MS net value it wont even cos a ripple in the big lake that is microsoft big lake of money;) And they have already started work on the next Xbox:D

The original xbox lost $1,000,000,000ish. james28893

[QUOTE="FlawlessSeasons"]except that in 2006 they said they were already working on the 360's successor GlassDominion

link please. that would also break my heart. to talk of a new console when your console is still so new...

Every company starts working on their new console right away. This shouldnt be a surprise to anyone.

I think MS will stay in, wasn't their gaming division on track to get out of the red this holiday season? Then that warranty just pushed them back $1 billion. MS thinks that in the long run all this money will pay off. Remember, MS already has your PC, now they want your TV. After that then who knows, maybe they will try to merge the two. Gates is always talks of a future where the PC does everything for you, is you. Idk, now I am talking crazy.

Ah. Well he still needs to find another $8.7,000,000,000.

Ok, for those "speculating" if Microsoft will leave the the console market or not are sadly mistaken. Microsoft will be in the console race for quite a long time. Microsoft has too much on the line to just let such a good investment as Live and the Halo brand go. Why and the heck would Microsoft drop out whenMicrosoft and Nintendo are leadingin worldwide sales way ahead of Sony?

And about the developers leaving from under Microsoft's wings..that should be overlooked. Microsoft is in to good of a position to just all of a sudden pack up and leave..i mean look at all the developer support they have now for the 360...Now look at the developer support they had forXbox 1. Microsoft knows the money in the end is in the console market not the PC market. Microsoft is just in the young stages of eventually taking over the gaming industry..slowly but surely just wait and see. And for anyone to actually suggest that Microsoft would drop out ofthe console race in favor of "games for windows" is plain mentally unstable!!..in fact it's very laughable. Microsoft is in this to stay...look at how much of a failure the PS3 is becoming..case rested!

Ok, for those "speculating" if Microsoft will leave the the console market or not are sadly mistaken. Microsoft will be in the console race for quite a long time. Microsoft has too much on the line to just let such a good investment as Live and the Halo brand go. Why and the heck would Microsoft drop out whenMicrosoft and Nintendo are leadingin worldwide sales way ahead of Sony?

And about the developers leaving from under Microsoft's wings..that should be overlooked. Microsoft is in to good of a position to just all of a sudden pack up and leave..i mean look at all the developer support they have now for the 360...Now look at the developer support they had forXbox 1. Microsoft knows the money in the end is in the console market not the PC market. Microsoft is just in the young stages of eventually taking over the gaming industry..slowly but surely just wait and see. And for anyone to actually suggest that Microsoft would drop out ofthe console race in favor of "games for windows" is plain mentally unstable!!..in fact it's very laughable. Microsoft is in this to stay...look at how much of a failure the PS3 is becoming..case rested!

gamer082009

your only looking at the first 9months of the "next-gen" race tho.

look at the last generation as well.

I want more consoles back. I mean the more competition the better. I have never seen why so many are just 360 vs ps3 focused. I mean like others have said I go where the games area. Like most people here I went from nes to snes to playstation to now xbox who knows in 20 years I may be playing the Toyota game o sphere.

The point is why is everyone getting so worked up over this. Everyone who seems to make a huge deal about compaines that well do not even know your alive it sounds like a bunch of 4 year olds screaming about who stole there favorite toy.

Serouisly just buy the console you like with the games you like play the games have fun and enjoy life. Worrying about xbox 720 or PS4 will only drive you crazy.

You guys are hardcore gamers, but most people who play video games are more casual than most who post here.

We've done the circuit since the Atari's back in the early '80's, but we're certainly not hardcore.

IMO, Microsoft was in too much of a hurry to get the 360 outthat it created several problems. Let's first remember that the original was the last out of the gate the past generation, but it had to be the 1st out this time around. It's understandable from a business point of view. They wanted to be 1st, so more gamers would run and buy their system. The problem however is in the fact that they didn't give us a quality system. Mine is currently in Texas being repaired. I'm sure many of you can say the same?!?! I didn't read all the posts, but with 540 pages on the top sticky should tell us all we need to know.

The last generation, I kid you not, I bought 8 Xbox controllers and at one time, had 6 in a bag that an electrician (personal friend) looked at ONE time to see if he could fix them. He told me there was no hope. For the first system ever, I turned to 3rd party for controllers. I also bought 3 original Xbox's and had to send 2 in for repairs (and was charged for those repairs because I'd had the systems for over 3 months - I complained and got it at discount though, if that makes it any better...NOT). I guess I shouldn't complain too much, cause we had over 50 titles for that system, so they were played hard. It was still the most expensive gaming system we'd had to date, considering all the replacements that needed bought.

Now, this generation, our Xbox that had less than 100 hours on it had to be sent out. I'm reading where when they come back, the problems start all over again for some users.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of MS not doing their homework before release and giving us piss poor quality. IMO, what they should have done is ran the Xbox for a few more years, ACTUALLY made some money off the system, and spent that time getting the 360's kinks worked out, so that when we bought their product, we'd also be able to play it.

Personally, I don't care if they release another console. I'm out after this generation. I doubt that I'm the only one who feels this way, too.

[QUOTE="Geek12"]I dont think i can see them droping out just yet. It takes a lot to kill a gaming division of a company like micorsoft. And think, naughty dog left, did that mean that sony was in for it at the time?GlassDominion

the diffrence with sony is...they make money off their gaming division. its not a financial black hole like MSs gaming division currently is.

i also dont recall 2 developers suddenly leaving from MS for mysterious reasons either.

Sony also doesnt try to promote the same game on 2 platforms.

why did you even bring sony into this?

well first of all I find anything you say to be completely biased theres a high chance you're a fanboy of sony who just wants to post in the 360 forums and cause a ruckus last time I saw the wii and 360 were outselling the ps3 and I think that is still correct and I wait for 2008 were hopefully the sony god will bless al ps3s from being complete rubbish

I went to my cousin's house the other day and he asked me if I wanted to play 360, So im like sure. We walk over to the computer and he pulls out two 360 controllers that are compatible with the PC and we play halo 3 for hours.
What I'm trying to say is that they should continue making games for windows and stop with the consoles. It would be easy to just go and buy a controller and have a PC act as a gaming console.It would be cheap for the consumers , so everyone would have one + No RRoD:roll:t431

Halo 3 on PC? :roll: I don't want MS to stop making consoles, I hate PCs for gaming.

i wanna know where you keep getting this magical 11-13 billion dollars numberFUBAR24

Yes, me too.

No chance, they'll start making money the rest of this gen, and next gen they'll make even more. It's Microsoft, they live on money.

I thought Microsoft only lost money with the old Xbox? And they made up what they lost with the 360?

Well, I don't think they'll drop out of the race. Bungie isn't a piece of Microsoft anymore, but it will have to publish its games for Microsoft. There are quite a few big names coming to the 360 soon, and I sure as hell don't think Halo 3 and BioShockwill stop selling.

More and more people are buying 360, the 360s are getting more and more cheaper to make, and price drops are just around the corner. The rest of 2007 and 2008 will surely bring a lot of money for Microsoft. Ace Combat 6 will be an Xbox 360 exclusive, and I'm sure many PS2 players will flood to GameStops for their new Flying games.

Looking at the future, Sony has a bigger chance of dropping out than Microsoft.

And nobody ever said PC gaming wasn't gaming.

You guys are hardcore gamers, but most people who play video games are more casual than most who post here.

We've done the circuit since the Atari's back in the early '80's, but we're certainly not hardcore.

IMO, Microsoft was in too much of a hurry to get the 360 outthat it created several problems. Let's first remember that the original was the last out of the gate the past generation, but it had to be the 1st out this time around. It's understandable from a business point of view. They wanted to be 1st, so more gamers would run and buy their system. The problem however is in the fact that they didn't give us a quality system. Mine is currently in Texas being repaired. I'm sure many of you can say the same?!?! I didn't read all the posts, but with 540 pages on the top sticky should tell us all we need to know.

The last generation, I kid you not, I bought 8 Xbox controllers and at one time, had 6 in a bag that an electrician (personal friend) looked at ONE time to see if he could fix them. He told me there was no hope. For the first system ever, I turned to 3rd party for controllers. I also bought 3 original Xbox's and had to send 2 in for repairs (and was charged for those repairs because I'd had the systems for over 3 months - I complained and got it at discount though, if that makes it any better...NOT). I guess I shouldn't complain too much, cause we had over 50 titles for that system, so they were played hard. It was still the most expensive gaming system we'd had to date, considering all the replacements that needed bought.

Now, this generation, our Xbox that had less than 100 hours on it had to be sent out. I'm reading where when they come back, the problems start all over again for some users.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of MS not doing their homework before release and giving us piss poor quality. IMO, what they should have done is ran the Xbox for a few more years, ACTUALLY made some money off the system, and spent that time getting the 360's kinks worked out, so that when we bought their product, we'd also be able to play it.

Personally, I don't care if they release another console. I'm out after this generation. I doubt that I'm the only one who feels this way, too.

Bailey22

they have too many supporters it would be stupid to leave.

if they get it right the next time, they will have an even better time.

Its a well known fact that MS gaming division has been a financial black hole for the corparation giant. even with the sales frin blockbust and record making halo3, they just scratched the debt that MS gaming division has created. whats more is the last year MS has been really pushing its PC gaming library, calling it "games for windows".

We are also seeing the companies MS aquired in the console race starting to leave. Bungie recently left, and so did the developers of project gotham racing. not to say the developers have stopped developing for MS, they just went back to being 3rd party developers.

The 360 is quickly approaching its 2nd birthday and getting ready to start year 3 of its life, and as such the 360s live is about half over (if this generation keeps the trend the generations before it set). a home console has a life expectency of about 6 years. so its not uncommon to see rumors and news of the next systems in the works to be talked about, it was what 4 years ago we started hearing about the xbox360, and thats when the ps3 was only 3 or 4 years old (if i remember right).

so do you think MS is going to drop the console race infavor of supporting games for windows? or perhaps MS is just suddenly able to keep a few secrets.

GlassDominion

I doubt they will drop out so easily, and I'd like to point out two things one they were making money on every 360 sold untill the whole red light problem hit big, and two they have mentioned that they are aiming for an 8-10 year lifespan for the 360 so either way we have a lot more from M$ coming our way.

Considering the time, money, and effort they have invested I seriouslydoubt it.