The TRUTH of GoW2 MP (All Gears players READ THIS!)

If you play Gears, please read this, I have no doubt that you will agree with 90 percent of what I have written, thanks!

This is my take on the MP of GoW2:::::

ALL Epic had to do was FIX THE BULLET LAG and remove the HOST issue, and Gears 2 MP would have been amazing. The Shotgun fixed? Haha that's a laugh, they gave it 75% more range, and it does the same amount of damage if your within 10 feet or 20. It's melee takes priority over every other weapon, even over other Shotguns most of the time (I tested this by pulling a Shotty out, some guy charged me, melee'd me with his Shotty, I turned around as I was 'stunned' melee'd him then blew his head off which is absolute BS and has happened to me before). The damage is COMPLETELY inconsistent, with the Shotgun sometimes taking 1 shot to blow people in half, and sometimes 3-4 from the same distance (all non-active).

The Hammerburst will sometimes down people in 6-10 shots (non active) then sometimes it will take 3/4's of a clip from the same distance if not closer.

The Lancer is severely underpowerd and barely has any stopping power (the Hammerburst has amazing stopping power which dosn't make sense because it's the stronger weapon and it should be the other way around). You can now melee through Chainsaws, and the Chainsaw can't be activated by holding the B button as you come out of a manuver (for example if your Rodie Running, and you hold B as you charge, you won't rev the Chainsaw as you stop the run, now you must stop the run and THEN press the B button. This is also a problem when popping around corners to Chainsaw).

The Chainsaw Duel is a great addition, but EVEN IF the opponent you rush with your Chainsaw ISN'T revving his Chainsaw (just holding the Lancer), it will a lot of the time automatically put him into a Chainsaw Duel with you. This is okay I guess, but it completely disregards the fact that maybe you wanted to sneak up on this guy and you wanted to score a quick Chainsaw before his teammates show up . Now, even though you snuck up on him and he didn't rev his Chainsaw at all, he now has the chance to either A: beat you in the Chainsaw Duel, or B: have his teammates notice it's going on, have them run up and just kill you mid-duel.

Smoke Grenade's knocking you down is just STUPID and has completely changed the way the game is played (instead of people running to set up a good position off of the spawn, they simply run towards the other team and throw Smoke Grenades and whoever gets knocked down either gets Shotty'd while on the ground or some guy just stands there with a Chainsaw waiting for you to get up into it). They are also inconsistent and can knock you down anywhere from 1-3 seconds to 7-9 (Yes I have been downed by ONE Smoke Grenade for EIGHT seconds, from the same distance another Nade would have knocked me down for only 2 or 3. It basically leaves you helpess and you can't move or speed up your recovery time.

The Boomshot was given THREE shots. Are you kidding me. SERIOUSLY. As if TWO instant death grenade shots weren't enough, now the team that controls the Boomshot are extremely overpowered. Now instead of only one active reload splash damage shot, they get TWO. Two shots in the Boom was completely FINE.

The Mortar can be shot THROUGH ceilings (literally the missles or whatever it shoots can go THROUGH buildings like on Pavillion for example).

They made the SAME button that you use to dive and run and slide, the SAME button to PICK UP DOWNED OPPONENTS. Who the HELL thought this was a good idea? Seriously how many times have you downed someone, ran to pick him up, noticed his teamate was on the way (or opponent if your playing Wingman), and when you get there you stop your run, and press A to pick up the body so you can fight the charging opponent who is a centimeter away from you, only to dive right over the downed body, the body get revived, then you killed by the two guys?

The only weapons they DIDN'T screw up were the Pistols, Sniper, Mulcher, Ink Grenade, Frag Grenade, Shield and the Flamethrower.

I don't need to explain the various Glitches with the game (Shield etc) that just push the MP level WAY down. The first Gears MP was GREAT, minus the HOST and slight bullet lag, but once you got used to it, it was awesome. I thought Gears 2 MP would have been the same with a stronger Lancer, no bullet lag, no host, new weapons, and new maps. That's ALL it needed, but Epic just dropped the ball. And the fact they release maps that cost MONEY, even with the severe glitching issue is just mind boggling. Seriously instead of Epic saying "You know what, we need to fix this Glitchy MP", they said "We need to make more maps that should have been included with the game anyway because it was released only a month ago so more people can find even more Glitches to cheat, even though we know M$ will charge for them! Ya! That sounds like a GREAT IDEA!".

I'm not complaining, I'm just listing everything that's wrong with the game, and what they should have done as opposed to what they actually did. Anyone else feel the same way?

PS: Here is a quick story showing the unbelievable inconsitency in damage. I was dead and watching my friend play (we were in an Execution match) and this is what happend NO word of a lie. He was about 5-10 feet away from the opponent and shot him with a Shotgun FOUR times, FOUR TIMES from 5-10 feet, direct upper body shots. He got a little close and my friend decided to go for the melee and as he did, the opponent (who was holding a Sniper rifle the entire time), melee'd JUST ONCE and DOWNED my friend. After taking FOUR Shotgun blasts to the chest, this guy melee's my friend with the Sniper ONCE and downs him. Not one word of a lie. Nobody else wa shooting at him, nobody else was around, he was downed in ONE melee.

THAT'S ALOT TO READ, yeah the main thing that ALWAYS bugs me is the fricken lag, that messes up soo many things in GoW1 and 2 I mean and well the whole idea of the guys not being able to jump is kinda lame, kinda like killzone

THAT'S ALOT TO READ, yeah the main thing that ALWAYS bugs me is the fricken lag, that messes up soo many things in GoW1 and 2 I mean and well the whole idea of the guys not being able to jump is kinda lame, kinda like killzone

Trogeton

Yah my bad with the length, I don't post very often so I had to let this all out haha.

THAT'S ALOT TO READ, yeah the main thing that ALWAYS bugs me is the fricken lag, that messes up soo many things in GoW1 and 2 I mean and well the whole idea of the guys not being able to jump is kinda lame, kinda like killzone

Trogeton

Seriously man, you gotta stop complaining! Yes, I know there are some flaws, but I hardly ever get lag after that update and I get into matches just as I would with Halo.. So maybe its your connection? I dunno, but my take on GOW 2's MP is much different that yours, I think its great! Especially with the new Combustable map pack. Now with the hammerburst and the lancer, who cares? Are you that annoyed that the shots vary from time to time? Thats realistic! A gun isn't always going to give the same damage or the same exact shot as the last, so live with that! So maybe its your connection? Maybe Not? I dunno..soufan123

[QUOTE="Trogeton"]

THAT'S ALOT TO READ, yeah the main thing that ALWAYS bugs me is the fricken lag, that messes up soo many things in GoW1 and 2 I mean and well the whole idea of the guys not being able to jump is kinda lame, kinda like killzone

MetalGearGhOsT

Yah my bad with the length, I don't post very often so I had to let this all out haha.

It's fine, it was a good read and not just mindless ranting so I give you credit.

I can't argue with too much of it, like you said it's all very agreeable. I find it annoying how they supposedly beefed up the Lancer, and reduced the Chainsaw, yet it's still the other way around...Chainsaw is way too good and the Lancer is still too weak. It seems like I actually take bullets without it lowering my chainsaw, which means it's even worse than Gears 1.

What's sad though, is that all of this is gameplay critiques, and you don't even have to mention how bad the Multiplayer system is. Matchmaking is still brutal, and the gameplay changes really didn't change the game the way they expected it to.

In short for me, the single player campaign is amazing, as is Horde mode. Get it out of your system in a rental, and stay away from the MP.

I don't mean any disrespect if I sound like it but I think i see the problem.

First of all I'll explain where I am coming from in terms Gears MP.

I bought the first gears as my first game on the xbox 360 after switching from a PS2. Now i played it solo for about 6 months after which i got Live. From the **** internet connection in my apartment in Moscow I managed to play. The first Gears MP I found to be extremely difficult and super nerve racking. The simple explanation to this- well, I was crap, I got my ass kicked regularly. But for some reason I kept coming back to it just to get my ass handed over to me by some 11 year old from Glouceteshire or some british province and then get yelled at by my teammates to go back to singleplayer.To me and many others (including friends of mine who are really really good at Gears 1 said the game ended up just being a shotgun ballet) End result: I do not have a single Gears 1 online achievement involving getting 100 kills in any category.

Now when Gears 2 came out a good deal of things changed between the two. I moved to Dublin and got a 4x faster connection which already re-assured me of some success online. On the 07/11/08 I marched down at the end of the day got my copy of Gears 2 and went home to play. I got a subscription to LIVE again and began playing.

I do not disagree with you about matchmaking: it is horrible, I, with an obviously better connection than you, still wait for up to 10 mins just to get in an elimination playlist. I hated the Halo 3 matchmaking and when I felt it myself what it is like waiting 10 mins for a playlist of 10 ppl I also got angry. I agree with you about shotgun damage: it is ridiculous. Chainsaw? Gets a good bit out of control since it doesn't stop revving in 50% of cases where you are hit with a bullet. And so on and so on.

But seriously I find the game to be better( connection and host issues aside, the are the scourge of every player) okay the occasional glitch occurs, and shotgun aims down all the time and is slower. But the game changed to what it should be. It is accesible to many more players (including myself), crab walkers and shotgun chargers are eliminated (except for the occasional nostalgic gears 1 pro). Weapons are much more balanced, the games runs smoother, roadie runs feel much more "unhinged"(only way I can describe it).

Basically I agree with almost everyone about the connection and host issue (other than some of the extreme examples given to us by the author of this topic). Solution to many of the cases is just a better internet package (andI know I live in the country with the worst broadband connection in Europe and a tight budget for internet) But when it comes to people criticising gameplay issues (actual in-game problems other than the shotgun damage) that changed for the worse I honestly get sick. The game mechanics changed for the best while connection issues became worse. Stop complaining about connection issues I bet ya EPIC, a company with huge fan dedication, is working on a patch or a series of them. Those people complaining that the game changed and that they now suck because they cannot run up to a person and shotgun one-shot them live with it, you are no longer heroes of the game, get with the program and evolve. If not, go back and re-live glory days with old friends who think alike during a session of Gears 1 since Gears is obviously a crap game in your opinion.

I am sorry, like the author I had to get this out of my system. I just can't stand by when a great game is criticised like this.

P.S. I am not a fanboy or on EPIC's payroll, just speakingo out my mind, after all that's what a forum is for.

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i m just posting to show agreement with the tc, i ve already started playing gears 1 again. one thing if they didnt touch , the shotgun , i could fix the rest of the problems with my shotty tho, you can excel at aiming with the shotgun but, that s annoyingly a waste of adrenaline, and with the rest of the problems about the mp it s unbearable for me.

they say in the first you didnt need much skill to excel at shotty, but i could notice who was good who was bad at shotty, so i would use different strategy to different people, the noobs would get lucky just a few times only , mostly when you get stuck jump in the wrong direction etc, but the pros with shotty were not a good spot to hang around. even the two guys were equally pros at blind shot there would come the dodging skill. me, i was neither of them.

I dissagree, i hated Gears1 online, but i love gears2. Gears2 is better then gears1 in every way, especailly the online. Since the last update for gears2, i havnt had any problems what so ever with the online.

I hope they dont change a thing, gears2 onlien is perfect.The shotgun is also alot better then in Gears1(where it was way overpowered).

The thing that bugs me like crazy is when you shoot a shotgun at someone that's coming at you with their chainsaw. It doesn't even interrupt them. It's ridiculous. sammyjenkis898

Yeah, that's the thing that bugs me too. On the whole, I love Gears 2's multiplayer even with the minor (to me at least) issues it has.

not to anyone but i find the gears two multiplayer heaps good

there is a few glitches here and there but not heaps

but i agree with soufan123 you have to get over it or it will get worse untill you dont have fun playing you just get frustrated

this is what my opinion is

ps if they have a gears of war gamertag doesnt mean ur a fanboy it means you liked the game eg if i have mario as my picture doesnt mean i love mario or if i have a man as my picture it doesnt mean im gay so i dont see your point in calling soufan123 a fanboy

[QUOTE="soufan123"]Seriously man, you gotta stop complaining! Yes, I know there are some flaws, but I hardly ever get lag after that update and I get into matches just as I would with Halo.. So maybe its your connection? I dunno, but my take on GOW 2's MP is much different that yours, I think its great! Especially with the new Combustable map pack. Now with the hammerburst and the lancer, who cares? Are you that annoyed that the shots vary from time to time? Thats realistic! A gun isn't always going to give the same damage or the same exact shot as the last, so live with that! So maybe its your connection? Maybe Not? I dunno..dRuGGeRnaUt

Oooh, "casual gamer soufan" as in insult, you're really rolling out the big guns.
Look, "druggernaut", if you use casual gamer as an insult, there's really something wrong with you.

I'm new to posting here, but have been playing gears since it came out. non-stop. Let me tell you that if I found a game that took my attention off gears1 for more than 2 days, than that was an amazing game. Gears is personally one of my all time favorite games, and it made me the xbox fan I am today. I am stressing this stuff because I want you to understand how much i mean it, when I say GoW2 is the biggest gaming disappointment to me for a longgg while.

Ya ya ya, people are saying "stop complaining" "they like the game".... but you know who says that? people who didn't like GoW1. Those are the noobs that ran around trying to play Gears like it was halo, and when they got owned, they turned off the game. It was truly a game of skill that those that devoted the time to it, could make it an adrenaline-rush, fun, exciting game. It had its flaws, but what game doesn't? (o ya Call of duty)... Filled with quitters, glitchers, host.. some people couldnt get passed these faults, which is understandable, but those that could, saw the game for what it really was and how spectacular it could be.

GoW2 multiplayer falls short in every category. Besides the crude match making system they tried to rip off of halo 3, the maps suck, the weapons are not balanced, I just keep on wondering what the hell EPIC was thinking. I could bad mouth EPIC or Microsoft, or the players or myself, but the truth is, they wanted more people to play. So they figured the fans would keep playing, and the ones on the fence, would like it and come play.

Every person that I know that didn't like Gears1, likes gears 2. On the other hand, my FULL friends list of people who played Gears1 religiously, has dwindled to about 5-6 people that still play gears2. If they ever fix the atrocity of a game it is now to half resemble gears 1, ill play. Otherwise, itll collect dust as I play the far superior CoD. Now theres a company that knows how to make games. RIP GEARS

Wow, well yeah good job on all that. I would blog it to save it so you don't lose any of it. I would read but you know it's long and time and all that. But my main grip is just the crap ammount of lag. Fix that and we are good.

edit. Just to add I loved gears 1 just as I love geras 2. I don't think either are a huge dissapointment.

that is why is went back to Call of duty world at war, such a great game :)sk8erwarlock

Look I agree with you, but it's really not that bad, Gears of War 2 is expecially fun with people on your friends list, yes it is hard to get in a matchmaking game, that really pisses me off. Honestly my biggest hope for Gears 2 was that they wouldn't make all the same mistakes as Gears 1, that was hyping me up. To me, Gears 2 was going to be an awesome shooter that could easily be envied by PS3 owners everywhere. Sadly that isn't the case and this game with so many great aspects, gets shot in the foot by it's own technical flaws.

But like I said, is it really that bad? We have games like Left 4 Dead, COD: WaW, and Halo 3. If you have a pretty big friends list, drop by a private game and I am sure it would be a blast. My advice to people that don't have huge friendlists, I am sure there are some Gears of War 2 groups (no I am not talking bout clans persay) that would love private games. For Halo 3 I joined a group that scheduled and was dedicated to playing custom games. Anyway that's my whole attitude anyway. I do feel like all these complaints are justified and true, but crap happens, just play another multiplayer game if you are by yourself searching for a game.

Seriously man, you gotta stop complaining! Yes, I know there are some flaws, but I hardly ever get lag after that update and I get into matches just as I would with Halo.. So maybe its your connection? I dunno, but my take on GOW 2's MP is much different that yours, I think its great! Especially with the new Combustable map pack. Now with the hammerburst and the lancer, who cares? Are you that annoyed that the shots vary from time to time? Thats realistic! A gun isn't always going to give the same damage or the same exact shot as the last, so live with that! So maybe its your connection? Maybe Not? I dunno..soufan123

Gears of War 2 has lag?!?!?!

That's news to me and I've had it since release.

bah you cant fix lag except by using dedicated servers and dedicated servers are not a good idea for a console game (heck, the most popular FPS which is counter strike gets up to 100,000 people max at the same time while console games can have 200,000+ which would need LOTS of servers). i played gears 1 the other day with local people (in australia) and the shotgun was near perfect. the only problem in gears 2 is the matchmaking which matches aussies up with americans which will lag up one of the parties.ahmedkandil

[QUOTE="ahmedkandil"]bah you cant fix lag except by using dedicated servers and dedicated servers are not a good idea for a console game (heck, the most popular FPS which is counter strike gets up to 100,000 people max at the same time while console games can have 200,000+ which would need LOTS of servers). i played gears 1 the other day with local people (in australia) and the shotgun was near perfect. the only problem in gears 2 is the matchmaking which matches aussies up with americans which will lag up one of the parties.raylewisnfl52

Forget the lag. Lag happens because people don't stop downloading porn while they're playing, or they're on a shared connection. A lot of people who host, shouldn't.

The problem with Gears 2 multiplayer, like it was with Gears 1, is the glitches. It's pretty much pointless to play the game unless you're a person that glitches. The weapon slide is back, there's invisibility, any weapon with the shield, kung fu flip, walls you can still shoot/melee through...all things that ruin the game experience. What makes matters worse, is that people keep doing them.

When a game is released and has glitches like these, and they end up taking over online play, it renders the game broken.

Gears 2, as of now, is broken.