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#1 gloc_kronic
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now that we will be playing with people from vista on certain games we are gonna get so screwed over with hacks,

mods, and various types of cheats...................lol honesly microsft when are you gonna stop

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#2 JediMoogle
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Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.
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#3 gloc_kronic
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#4 dEfousEd
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What games do can we play with vista people?
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#5 redhawk360
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Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.JediMoogle
lol
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#6 FreedomReign
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Oh no, my games of Uno and Shadow Run, will be ruined...
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#7 redhawk360
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What games do can we play with vista people?dEfousEd
not shure um i think crysis can be
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#8 dEfousEd
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FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.
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#9 SilV3RSix
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They'll be running on LIVE servers, meaning you get caught you get banned, not booted. How do you think MMO's remain playable? They control the servers, that's how!!

That combined with certain security requirements established by the 'Games for Windows' label will make it harder for modders and hackers to exploit their PC games.
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#10 pageiszeppelin
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That's gonna be sweet! I must be the only 1 happy about this. Like we could separate into 360 vs. Vista, being as shooting is easier with a mouse and keyboard, 360 players can get advantages to even out the playing field. When is this "desegragation" between console and pc going to occur?
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#11 SPHYNXA
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Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.JediMoogle
But who's to say it'll be the "blue screen" anymore? With such a vast upgrade with Vista... surely they changed the colour, such as a sweet tone of opaque. Anyway, all joking aside... Microsoft was asked about the "blue screen" and said that Vista had been so optimized that users won't see the "blue screen" again.... ha ha, okay, so that probobly was a joke.
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#12 SilV3RSix
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FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.dEfousEd
You'll have to use the 360 controller when playing from the PC. There's a wireless adapter for PC coming. But even still, aiming is better for PC, but character control is a bit better on a controller. Nothing like trying to spin around with that laser mouse and have it go monkey pile on itself... no thanks.
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FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.dEfousEd

That's a matter of opinion.

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#15 SPHYNXA
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[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.SilV3RSix
You'll have to use the 360 controller when playing from the PC. There's a wireless adapter for PC coming. But even still, aiming is better for PC, but character control is a bit better on a controller. Nothing like trying to spin around with that laser mouse and have it go monkey pile on itself... no thanks.

That's not true... PC players will be able to use keyboards and mice. Obviously Epic isn't going to change the winning formula for Unreal Tournament (ie. fast-paced PC-mouse action) that's made the series into what it is today, just to conform to Xbox players. Also, any Shadowrun preview states that PC players will be using mice and keyboards against Xbox 360 players.
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#16 Flaming_Ape
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Is this with the Live Anywhere feature? Wonder how they do it.
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#17 ACESandElGHTS
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Oh no, my games of Uno and Shadow Run, will be ruined... -- Current Wishlist: Crackdown- APBFreedomReign

Hahhahahahah, you're not really gonna play Shadowrun, are you?!

Btw, APB could possibly be the next true revolutionary game -- if it's ever released.

 

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#18 rdo
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just host the game from a 360,  plus if the 360 players are at a disadvantage ms will keep them seperated.  i'm gong to get a new pc later this year when all the dx10 stuff starts rolling out and i'm not worried about the mixing.  some games i'll get on the pc and some on the 360.  halo3 and forza2 i'll get for the 360,  bia:hh and ut3 i'll get for the pc.  maybe i'll even get oblivion for the pc if there are enough user made quests to make it worth it.  maybe i'll even give xna a shot,  maybe a flight sim,  well not a sim since i dont know that much but a game.
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#19 crazymunda6
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but its a stupid idea as you still need a gamertag with xbl gold activated on it. So why not just play with your 360?
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#20 Sully28
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[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]What games do can we play with vista people?redhawk360
not shure um i think crysis can be

crysis isnt even comming to xbox. They said they wont work on anything else untill this game is done, even than they said they might not bring it to consoles (sadly).

Also PC people will own with mouse and keyboard, its just easier, even with auto aim for console people.

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#21 SilV3RSix
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[QUOTE="SilV3RSix"][QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.SPHYNXA
You'll have to use the 360 controller when playing from the PC. There's a wireless adapter for PC coming. But even still, aiming is better for PC, but character control is a bit better on a controller. Nothing like trying to spin around with that laser mouse and have it go monkey pile on itself... no thanks.

That's not true... PC players will be able to use keyboards and mice. Obviously Epic isn't going to change the winning formula for Unreal Tournament (ie. fast-paced PC-mouse action) that's made the series into what it is today, just to conform to Xbox players. Also, any Shadowrun preview states that PC players will be using mice and keyboards against Xbox 360 players.

My bad. You're absolutely right. I guess I missed the boat on that one. Though according to this article, they are perfectly satisfied with the balancing of the controllers vs. KB+M.
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#22 SicsStringFreak
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FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.dEfousEd
not always, depends how the developer developes the game. to much of the worlds suprise there will be some people out there with controllers owning these mouse and keyboard fanatics
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#23 SPHYNXA
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[QUOTE="redhawk360"][QUOTE="dEfousEd"]What games do can we play with vista people?Sully28

not shure um i think crysis can be

Also PC people will own with mouse and keyboard, its just easier, even with auto aim for console people.

People keep saying this, but there's nothing to back it up. No one knows if this will be the case... if it was purely mouse-and-keyboard against 360 controllers then probobly... but they're optimizing it, so that they will be equal. Do you know how rediculous it would be if they released a game where console players were completely dominated by PC players every round? It's not going to happen...
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#24 konradak
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Naa we won't get screwed. They'll either optimise it like they are on Shadowrun, or they'll just seperate us. Or give us games where MKB just won't make any difference compared to a controller (Fighting games, racing, card games, etc etc). We'll be fine :)
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#25 JohnWinger
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Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.JediMoogle

I hate the standby button.

Whoever invented it should be handed over to terrorist groups.

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#26 SicsStringFreak
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mouse and keyboard are good, but are limited and over-rated, their are pros and cons to both sides, and the developers realize this more than all of us combined, realize this people.!!!!!
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#27 ACESandElGHTS
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People keep saying this, but there's nothing to back it up. No one knows if this will be the case... if it was purely mouse-and-keyboard against 360 controllers then probobly... but they're optimizing it, so that they will be equal. Do you know how rediculous it would be if they released a game where console players were completely dominated by PC players every round? It's not going to happen...SPHYNXA

Wow, you're giving a lot of credit to the people that made Gears a noob slaughterhouse.  I'm pro-segregation here.  Keep Vista users (aka totally hopeless nerds) out of my XBL games.

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#28 turgore
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FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.dEfousEd


I believe they have to use a 360 controller.
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#29 SPHYNXA
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[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.turgore


I believe they have to use a 360 controller.

No, they don't
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#30 ACESandElGHTS
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Those Shadowrun cutscenes are nice.  I'll have to check out the gameplay movies. 

Let's say you're playing Quake or Counterstrike on your 360 but the other team is all on PCs.  How could they not have a serious advantage?  I'm sure everyone here has run around with a keyboard, whipping their mouse around and popping off rockets or headshots or whatever -- it's obviously a whole different level of speed and reaction.

Shadowrun will be no different.

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#31 quetzalcoatl45
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Right now the only game i know of the is 360 Vs PC is Shadowrun.
But they say that for PC players, while turning the Aim Reticle will Distort, Making KB+M Equal to a controller.
 
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#32 LuigiLogik
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[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.MentatAssassin

That's a matter of opinion.

true, but if you play Halo CE on the PC it does seem a hell of a lot easier to snipe... i guess this will finally put an end to the debate... If the Leaderboards for Shadowrun are overrun with Vistas or Boxes ....
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#33 03mareed
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The only thing i am worried about being able to play PC players is that if they are anything like me on quake
winning will be impossible as a mouse is far more accurate and faster
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#34 deactivated-5f033ecf40fed
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I play Counter-strike and I play Halo and I play Gears and I play Quake 4 (on PC and 360), and in my opinion, a KB+M is not any easier to use than a standard 360 aiming set-up (but keep in mind the latter applies at least a small amount of auto-aim).
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#35 Ninja-Vox
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I love how you're complaining about a problem which doesn't even exist yet. :|
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#36 Generic_Dude
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FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.dEfousEd

Yeah, that's the main concern for me. I think MS is capable enough to deal with cheaters... they won't last more than a week or two if they get anything through, and then they'll be bizzanned.

I wonder if people with an XBL account can use that to use Vista Live as well? I mean, are the accounts cross-platform or would I have to buy two subscriptions if I only had Crysis on PC, for instance?

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#37 GunnerCDM
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The accounts are cross platform and no one considered that they could handicap pc players. If anything they could cause the crosshair to drag behind the mouse set to a certain speed so that you can't aim to fast now matter how quick you are with the mouse.
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#38 WillT12345
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[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.MentatAssassin

That's a matter of opinion.

And a matter of skill. Believe it or not but there are people that suck on either system. Not all Mouse and Keyboard users are masters and same goes for the joypad. It still matters more who your playing not what controller they are using to play. Just cause you have a mouse in your hand doesn't make you a master of aiming, tactics, teamwork or any other skill needed to be good at playing FPSs.
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Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.JediMoogle
lol.
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#40 oxrs
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I'm just imagining Vista popping up and asking you "Did you fire this weapon? Yes/No" every time you pull the trigger.
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#41 wreak
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FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.dEfousEd


only over long range. 1up did all these tests and ppl using controllers are actually much more effective in close corners, or just up close in general. so it kinda evens out.
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#42 SicsStringFreak
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I play Counter-strike and I play Halo and I play Gears and I play Quake 4 (on PC and 360), and in my opinion, a KB+M is not any easier to use than a standard 360 aiming set-up (but keep in mind the latter applies at least a small amount of auto-aim).The_Fell_One
actually you can turn your auto-aim feature off, the only game i play that has it where you cant turn it off, is halo2.
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[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.Generic_Dude

Yeah, that's the main concern for me. I think MS is capable enough to deal with cheaters... they won't last more than a week or two if they get anything through, and then they'll be bizzanned.

I wonder if people with an XBL account can use that to use Vista Live as well? I mean, are the accounts cross-platform or would I have to buy two subscriptions if I only had Crysis on PC, for instance?

yes what ever your gamer tag is on 360 you can use the same account on your vista, its just shared between both systems, pc and 360, whatever gamerscore you have now, will show up on your vista as well, and what u own on vista games (gamerscore) will show up on your 360 as well. this is why sony really doesnt stand a chance.
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#44 IIRubenII
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Oh no, my games of Uno and Shadow Run, will be ruined... FreedomReign
LOL. YEAH DUDE, LOOK...PC PEOPLE HAVE TO PRESS TWENTY DIFFERENT KEYS TO SHOOT AND TURN AT THE SAME TIME. WHILE WE JUST PRESS THE ANALOG STICK AND RIGHT TRIGGER. PC'S WERE MADE FOR TEH INTERNETS, UNLESS YOU OWN AN ALIENWARE SUPERMAN EDITION LIKE ME.
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see sony has a console market, but  MS now owns the console market, and have owned the pc market period.

nintendo owns the handheld market with no one even close to rivaling it.

so i see MS being the ones to follow this gen the closest.

and this merge between the pc and 360 is a sign of that, if they dont screw it up.

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#46 deathmirage87
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[QUOTE="JediMoogle"]Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.SPHYNXA
But who's to say it'll be the "blue screen" anymore? With such a vast upgrade with Vista... surely they changed the colour, such as a sweet tone of opaque. Anyway, all joking aside... Microsoft was asked about the "blue screen" and said that Vista had been so optimized that users won't see the "blue screen" again.... ha ha, okay, so that probobly was a joke.

I've had my pc for 2 years and never seen the blue screen on it
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#47 SicsStringFreak
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[QUOTE="SPHYNXA"][QUOTE="JediMoogle"]Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.deathmirage87
But who's to say it'll be the "blue screen" anymore? With such a vast upgrade with Vista... surely they changed the colour, such as a sweet tone of opaque. Anyway, all joking aside... Microsoft was asked about the "blue screen" and said that Vista had been so optimized that users won't see the "blue screen" again.... ha ha, okay, so that probobly was a joke.

I've had my pc for 2 years and never seen the blue screen on it

thats because most of the time people that get the blue screen are either 1. doing something with the pc they really arent supposed to. or 2. think they know what they are doing with the pc, and they screw it up and blame MS. MS is prolly one of the largest scapegoats in america. if somethign goes wrong, oh hey lets blame it on MS.
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#48 deathmirage87
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[QUOTE="FreedomReign"]Oh no, my games of Uno and Shadow Run, will be ruined... IIRubenII
LOL. YEAH DUDE, LOOK...PC PEOPLE HAVE TO PRESS TWENTY DIFFERENT KEYS TO SHOOT AND TURN AT THE SAME TIME. WHILE WE JUST PRESS THE ANALOG STICK AND RIGHT TRIGGER. PC'S WERE MADE FOR TEH INTERNETS, UNLESS YOU OWN AN ALIENWARE SUPERMAN EDITION LIKE ME.

you should ease off the caps
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[QUOTE="deathmirage87"][QUOTE="SPHYNXA"][QUOTE="JediMoogle"]Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.SicsStringFreak
But who's to say it'll be the "blue screen" anymore? With such a vast upgrade with Vista... surely they changed the colour, such as a sweet tone of opaque. Anyway, all joking aside... Microsoft was asked about the "blue screen" and said that Vista had been so optimized that users won't see the "blue screen" again.... ha ha, okay, so that probobly was a joke.

I've had my pc for 2 years and never seen the blue screen on it

thats because most of the time people that get the blue screen are either 1. doing something with the pc they really arent supposed to. or 2. think they know what they are doing with the pc, and they screw it up and blame MS. MS is prolly one of the largest scapegoats in america. if somethign goes wrong, oh hey lets blame it on MS.

agreed. My pc hasn't even froze before. Its a sony vaio. my old hp pc useto freeze alot and get the blue screen. but I was always doing things i shouldn't with it and it had lots of viruses
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#50 SicsStringFreak
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[QUOTE="SicsStringFreak"][QUOTE="deathmirage87"][QUOTE="SPHYNXA"][QUOTE="JediMoogle"]Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.deathmirage87
But who's to say it'll be the "blue screen" anymore? With such a vast upgrade with Vista... surely they changed the colour, such as a sweet tone of opaque. Anyway, all joking aside... Microsoft was asked about the "blue screen" and said that Vista had been so optimized that users won't see the "blue screen" again.... ha ha, okay, so that probobly was a joke.

I've had my pc for 2 years and never seen the blue screen on it

thats because most of the time people that get the blue screen are either 1. doing something with the pc they really arent supposed to. or 2. think they know what they are doing with the pc, and they screw it up and blame MS. MS is prolly one of the largest scapegoats in america. if somethign goes wrong, oh hey lets blame it on MS.

agreed. My pc hasn't even froze before. Its a sony vaio. my old hp pc useto freeze alot and get the blue screen. but I was always doing things i shouldn't with it and it had lots of viruses

yeah with a pc problem 9 times out of 10 it is user error. not really the pc.