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#51 menduco76
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but its a stupid idea as you still need a gamertag with xbl gold activated on it. So why not just play with your 360?crazymunda6

ummmm....could it be because not everyone has a 360?   Furthermore, how many PS3 owners own a PC?  Probably everyone of them, if not close to everyone. 

Hahahahaha

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#52 Infernoply
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the pc owners will be able to play the uno cards faster. WHY MICROSOFT WHY?!!!!?!?!?!?!?
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#53 JediMoogle
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[QUOTE="FreedomReign"]Oh no, my games of Uno and Shadow Run, will be ruined... IIRubenII
LOL. YEAH DUDE, LOOK...PC PEOPLE HAVE TO PRESS TWENTY DIFFERENT KEYS TO SHOOT AND TURN AT THE SAME TIME. WHILE WE JUST PRESS THE ANALOG STICK AND RIGHT TRIGGER. PC'S WERE MADE FOR TEH INTERNETS, UNLESS YOU OWN AN ALIENWARE SUPERMAN EDITION LIKE ME.

Really? I just press one key and the left mouse button. I count.. two buttons there. Most normal humans have two hands.. therefore.. hmm.. seems pretty easy to me.
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#54 Infernoply
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[QUOTE="IIRubenII"][QUOTE="FreedomReign"]Oh no, my games of Uno and Shadow Run, will be ruined... JediMoogle
LOL. YEAH DUDE, LOOK...PC PEOPLE HAVE TO PRESS TWENTY DIFFERENT KEYS TO SHOOT AND TURN AT THE SAME TIME. WHILE WE JUST PRESS THE ANALOG STICK AND RIGHT TRIGGER. PC'S WERE MADE FOR TEH INTERNETS, UNLESS YOU OWN AN ALIENWARE SUPERMAN EDITION LIKE ME.

Really? I just press one key and the left mouse button. I count.. two buttons there. Most normal humans have two hands.. therefore.. hmm.. seems pretty easy to me.

unless he has a very interesting keyboard where you have to press 10 keys per one button
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#55 JediMoogle
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[QUOTE="JediMoogle"][QUOTE="IIRubenII"][QUOTE="FreedomReign"]Oh no, my games of Uno and Shadow Run, will be ruined... Infernoply
LOL. YEAH DUDE, LOOK...PC PEOPLE HAVE TO PRESS TWENTY DIFFERENT KEYS TO SHOOT AND TURN AT THE SAME TIME. WHILE WE JUST PRESS THE ANALOG STICK AND RIGHT TRIGGER. PC'S WERE MADE FOR TEH INTERNETS, UNLESS YOU OWN AN ALIENWARE SUPERMAN EDITION LIKE ME.

Really? I just press one key and the left mouse button. I count.. two buttons there. Most normal humans have two hands.. therefore.. hmm.. seems pretty easy to me.

unless he has a very interesting keyboard where you have to press 10 keys per one button

He plays with the Steel Battalion controller.
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#56 Infernoply
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[QUOTE="Infernoply"][QUOTE="JediMoogle"][QUOTE="IIRubenII"][QUOTE="FreedomReign"]Oh no, my games of Uno and Shadow Run, will be ruined... JediMoogle
LOL. YEAH DUDE, LOOK...PC PEOPLE HAVE TO PRESS TWENTY DIFFERENT KEYS TO SHOOT AND TURN AT THE SAME TIME. WHILE WE JUST PRESS THE ANALOG STICK AND RIGHT TRIGGER. PC'S WERE MADE FOR TEH INTERNETS, UNLESS YOU OWN AN ALIENWARE SUPERMAN EDITION LIKE ME.

Really? I just press one key and the left mouse button. I count.. two buttons there. Most normal humans have two hands.. therefore.. hmm.. seems pretty easy to me.

unless he has a very interesting keyboard where you have to press 10 keys per one button

He plays with the Steel Battalion controller.

haha
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#57 V4LENT1NE
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[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.MentatAssassin

That's a matter of opinion.


No, I just got my gaming PC like a week ago, a mouse and keyboard will dominate a controller in FPS, you can turn so much faster and its way more accurate. A good mouse and keyboard player will take a joypad player easily.
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[QUOTE="FreedomReign"]Oh no, my games of Uno and Shadow Run, will be ruined... IIRubenII
LOL. YEAH DUDE, LOOK...PC PEOPLE HAVE TO PRESS TWENTY DIFFERENT KEYS TO SHOOT AND TURN AT THE SAME TIME. WHILE WE JUST PRESS THE ANALOG STICK AND RIGHT TRIGGER. PC'S WERE MADE FOR TEH INTERNETS, UNLESS YOU OWN AN ALIENWARE SUPERMAN EDITION LIKE ME.

First of all, there's only one internet and second of all, people were gaming on PC's before the internet even came around. I played unreal and half life 2 on my PC and I don't remember hitting 20 buttons to control my guy. I used to game a lot on the PC and was getting very good with the M+KB and then I got into xbox and xbox360 and had to start getting used to analog thumbsticks for awhile. Now i'm pretty good with the xbox controller and I tried playing far cry on the PC and my M+KB skills went down the drain. Now I find it much easier to use the xbox controller for aiming. In the end, i'm much happier  playing on my 360 than my PC.

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#59 polsci1503
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[QUOTE="MentatAssassin"]

[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.V4LENT1NE

That's a matter of opinion.


No, I just got my gaming PC like a week ago, a mouse and keyboard will dominate a controller in FPS, you can turn so much faster and its way more accurate. A good mouse and keyboard player will take a joypad player easily.

yeah you're right, but they are supposed to be making it so PC users won't have much of an advantage... watch the Shadowrun deveopler interview - he talks about that in there.

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#60 ACESandElGHTS
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Ruben kind of inspired me with that post.  What do you think of my new sig?

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#61 japam
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Ruben kind of inspired me with that post.  What do you think of my new sig?

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Good 'un. Someone needed to preserve that little nugget of brilliance for future generations!
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#62 teebeenz
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The whole liveanywhere/games for windows thing might not last if the DOJ gets involved.
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#63 njdss4
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Honestly I'm better with KB+M, and that kinda sucks that I'll have to play against PC people. If upgrading a PC weren't so expensive I'd have just done that instead of getting a 360.
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#64 livinnturkey
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FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.dEfousEd
they have been developing the PC end of shadowrun making sure it's fair... ironically, in testing people with joysticks/xbox360 controller, tend to win more than those with mouse and keyboard... i am sure that developers of games are smart and play games too... so they take these into consideration...
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#65 F1sTDaCuffS
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FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.dEfousEd


are people lost, has'nt anyone heard of the XFPS 360 it came out on dec 15.  this already converts your keyboard/mouse to play on the 360 right now.
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#67 Zeokor
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I'm sure there will be an option to choose if you want to play with them or not
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#68 Kieran_Y
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[QUOTE="MentatAssassin"]

[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.LuigiLogik

That's a matter of opinion.

true, but if you play Halo CE on the PC it does seem a hell of a lot easier to snipe... i guess this will finally put an end to the debate... If the Leaderboards for Shadowrun are overrun with Vistas or Boxes ....

WHEN WILL PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. For FPS, it is MATHEMATICALLY PROVABLE that m&k is FAR better. If you took high school math you would know this. Simply use arc length formulae and margin of error. STOP SAYING THAT IT IS A MATTER OF OPINION in FPS, because it is not. You are NO BETTER than those who refuse to accept the theory of evolution.
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#69 acidic_dude
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I wouldnt worry about getting smoked by hacks but by mouse and keyboard, I just hope microsoft enables mouse and keyboard support on 360 for games that are cross platform with the pc.
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#70 Wezker619
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Why do u have a screwed u mentality that If Live goes of PC people will use hacks. You know Microsoft thinks things through when it comes to things like this. Just chill and wait k man.
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#71 valdarez
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[QUOTE="LuigiLogik"][QUOTE="MentatAssassin"]

[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.Kieran_Y

That's a matter of opinion.

true, but if you play Halo CE on the PC it does seem a hell of a lot easier to snipe... i guess this will finally put an end to the debate... If the Leaderboards for Shadowrun are overrun with Vistas or Boxes ....

WHEN WILL PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. For FPS, it is MATHEMATICALLY PROVABLE that m&k is FAR better. If you took high school math you would know this. Simply use arc length formulae and margin of error. STOP SAYING THAT IT IS A MATTER OF OPINION in FPS, because it is not. You are NO BETTER than those who refuse to accept the theory of evolution.

I think you need to define better for that argument to hold true.
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#72 Agent_Kaliaver
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FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.dEfousEd

You must understand that not all games will be playable with 360 vs Vista. Shadowrun is a shooter, but they know of the mouse and keyboard problem and will most likely even it out with Magic being easier to use on 360 or something. Developers know about the difference and will take it into concideration.

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#73 Agent_Kaliaver
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[QUOTE="Kieran_Y"][QUOTE="LuigiLogik"][QUOTE="MentatAssassin"]

[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.valdarez

That's a matter of opinion.

true, but if you play Halo CE on the PC it does seem a hell of a lot easier to snipe... i guess this will finally put an end to the debate... If the Leaderboards for Shadowrun are overrun with Vistas or Boxes ....

WHEN WILL PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. For FPS, it is MATHEMATICALLY PROVABLE that m&k is FAR better. If you took high school math you would know this. Simply use arc length formulae and margin of error. STOP SAYING THAT IT IS A MATTER OF OPINION in FPS, because it is not. You are NO BETTER than those who refuse to accept the theory of evolution.

I think you need to define better for that argument to hold true.

Technically game devs for the consoles could put on auto aim and make the auto aim go straight to people's heads making it much much easier to snipe on consoles.

The Mouse can turn faster which also hurts it in sniping at times. Controllers usually move slower which allows you to not overshoot your target. In a sold gun fight a Mouse would win, but with sniping it would matter with  movement sensitivity, how well you aim, and how fast you can get on target without missing.

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#74 Kieran_Y
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Ok valdarez and to others, read and weep. Ill be EXTREMELY generous on part of the controller. Assuming the stick stands 1 inch (2.54cm) tall and can move in any one direction a whole 90 degrees or pi/2 radians (If those assumptions aren't generous I don't know what is), you only have ONLY 4 cm in ANY given direction to make your movements(Formula: Arc length = angle in radians x radius). 4 freaking centimetres! That doesn't really leave much room for error! Now go look at your mouse sitting on the table. Basically you can have the largest or smallest room for movement as you want. You're only limited by how long your arm is and how big your table is. Unlike the controller with its small socket. And just to emphasize again those measurements for the controller were EXTREMELY GENEROUS (as you should know).
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#75 valdarez
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Ok valdarez and to others, read and weep. Ill be EXTREMELY generous on part of the controller. Assuming the stick stands 1 inch (2.54cm) tall and can move in any one direction a whole 90 degrees or pi/2 radians (If those assumptions aren't generous I don't know what is), you only have ONLY 4 cm in ANY given direction to make your movements(Formula: Arc length = angle in radians x radius). 4 freaking centimetres! That doesn't really leave much room for error! Now go look at your mouse sitting on the table. Basically you can have the largest or smallest room for movement as you want. You're only limited by how long your arm is and how big your table is. Unlike the controller with its small socket. And just to emphasize again those measurements for the controller were EXTREMELY GENEROUS (as you should know). Kieran_Y
You still haven't defined better.
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#76 Kieran_Y
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agent_kavaliar, pc gaming allows one to change sensitivity on the fly. Unlike the controller. I can switch from low sensitivity sniping to twitch turning, with one button click or anything in between. All console games require you to go the options menu to change that.
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#77 Kieran_Y
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ok either you'll be shining my shoes, flipping my burgers, and unplugging my toilet, or you're just irritating me. The only other thing I can give you would be that for me, personally I can move my mouse 25cm in any direction from neutral position. I just don't see how you cannot see the math. I just proved to you why the mouse is limited.
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#78 valdarez
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Ever heard the saying 'can't see the forrest for the trees'? In one of your posts, you made a broad statement indicating m&k was better yet failed to define the boundaries of what better implies. Is better to you, simply the ability to have pin point accurracy and more control? Better to another person might be the feel of the controller over the feel of a mouse and keyboard. Or better might be the ability to play from 12 feet away using a controller + tv versus having to use a mouse & keyboard while stuck only 10 inches from the monitor.

Personally, I don't like shooters, so there is no 'better' for me. They both suck equally. :)
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#79 freshfighter83
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I think that a mouse/keyboard will dominate on the whole over a controller. I used to play PC FPS a lot but I havn't played one in ages cuz of the xbox. A week ago I fired up Unreal Tournament 2003 and after winning the first match I played, I a remember thinking 'wow, this is so much easier and accurate'. On average a player with a controller won't be as fast or accurate (especially at range and tracking) as a M/K setup, I know which one I would choose to fight with. 
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#80 Kieran_Y
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Yes indeed you have made an excellent point and for that made me a fool in my reading ability. In 'far better' I meant the mouse allows for far more ACCURACY and only accuracy since that was the only point I proved. In FPS where accuracy is critical, this is why the mouse is more appropriate.
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#81 MajorSport
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it sounds kind of cool but i'm nervous about online shooters
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#82 SSJLink17
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what the hell is Vista???
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#83 OfficialBed
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Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.JediMoogle

haha :D

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#84 valdarez
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[QUOTE="JediMoogle"]Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.OfficialBed

haha :D

No way... they'll be playing on Vista and it 'never' blue screens or crashes, so say the powers of the soft and micro.
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#85 ACESandElGHTS
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You know, I don't care if a mouse and keyboard is faster.  I stopped playing FPS games on my PC years ago.  That's why I pay big money to play against other 360 users on Xbox Live.

I don't want to play against any drooling, booger-eating, clueless 25 year old virgins who have a Pentium 5 with 4 GHz processing speed and 15 GB RAM and the latest Nvidia graphics card (with a gig of RAM right on it!  Ooooooh!)  Or the latest Radeon card.  Because yaknow, I don't give two turds which is better.  Keep your precision gaming mouse in your parents' basement and stay out of my Xbox Live game.My friend

Or maybe I said that.  I can't remember.  Either way it's the same.

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#86 XlpranksterlX
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[QUOTE="JediMoogle"]Don't worry, we'll always win because they'll blue screen before the game ends.OfficialBed

haha :D

lol
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#87 Shadow_Elite192
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Controllers are more fun to use than M/kb imo.
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#88 Shadow_Elite192
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what the hell is Vista???SSJLink17
Next version of windows i think.
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#89 Wellfedmonkey
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Does anybody seriously think they will release alot of games that will be compatible? Im sure they will ginuea pig a game first just to see if gamers will mod and cheat. Also I dont think it will be very smooth the first year or so. Another release it and patch it scenario :roll:
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#90 insanimiller
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What about a release of mouse & keyboard for 360? Would be nice
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#91 Dogmatic923
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If it is true that vista players will get to use their f**king mouse in FPS online i will either (a) demand that 360 player will get the same chance to use a mouse or (b) sell my 360, right bf i piss on it, and then buy a PS3
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#92 Killz789
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you all sound like whinny little girls....quiet!
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#93 V4LENT1NE
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Well when we play PC players in FPS we are gonna get pwned unless we get Mouse and Keyboard support............seriously though, mouse is so much faster and more precise than a controller.
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#94 Garzey623
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i dont care as long as they cant play gears of war
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#95 jmartinez1983
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[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.MentatAssassin

That's a matter of opinion.

Yeah, personally, I'll take a small disadvantage with the controller for the added comfort of not having to be hunched over in a computer chair staring at a 17 inch monitor. I'll take my couch and a 60 inch DLP thanks! Also, really, there definitely is an advantage of using a keyboard and mouse for precision aiming, but overall, i'd say its not that bad. Also I've heard they are really working on good solutions if in fact controllers had to go head to head with K/M. I think the people who played Shadowrun said they couldn't tell the difference between the two different kinds of controllers when you were playing against them.
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#96 V4LENT1NE
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[QUOTE="MentatAssassin"]

[QUOTE="dEfousEd"]FPS will suck because people using Mouse and Keyboards will always get the shot faster. Much easier to snipe with a mouse.jmartinez1983

That's a matter of opinion.

Yeah, personally, I'll take a small disadvantage with the controller for the added comfort of not having to be hunched over in a computer chair staring at a 17 inch monitor. I'll take my couch and a 60 inch DLP thanks! Also, really, there definitely is an advantage of using a keyboard and mouse for precision aiming, but overall, i'd say its not that bad. Also I've heard they are really working on good solutions if in fact controllers had to go head to head with K/M. I think the people who played Shadowrun said they couldn't tell the difference between the two different kinds of controllers when you were playing against them.


I thought like that before I got my gaming PC, then when I played UT2004 its unbelieveable how much faster a mouse actually is, just turning in a 180 can be done in an instant whereas it would take longer on the controller, I dont know how they will balance it because there is a significant advantage with a mouse.