Why can't American Developers create good stories?

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[QUOTE="belrock86"]It seems to me American developers at least Xbox 360 American developers are always focused solely on gameplay rather than story BioShock was created in Australia Bioware of course Canada and anyone that says Halo or Gears has a good story must not know what a story is. Japanese game developers always seem to focus solely on story than gameplay I feel like this is a huge reason why the Xbox 360 isn't taken seriously in Japan so why can't American developers create good stories do they believe American gamers don't care and rather see great visuals and lots of action or is it that American developers feel like it isn't necessary to make a game great? I made have opend the flood gates here but I wanna hear everyone's thoughts.belrock86

Take a closer look at drug use, attitudes, and government policy in relation to good content. These policies hurt all creative industries throughout the world. The peak of creative content was in the 60's with the lows in the 2000s'.

I agree and thats why I feel more people need to stand up and be creative

Publishers wont allow it more than likely. Anything out of the norm might not sell.

GTA isn't even made in America so idk why he mentioned it.

But yes, I would have to agree that very few games developed in America seem to have really great stories.

7CloudStrife7

I took "American" to mean "Western". I didn't see the need to differentiate based on geo-political boundaries. Cultural differences seemed much more relevant to the discussion.

I don't know what you're talking about man, Gears has a great story. Halo has an iffy story but not all American games have horrible stories. Also, yes... gameplay is important but if the game doesn't have absolutely blow your mind away graphics... it just can't hold my interrests. So gameplay holds 2nd candle to graphics for me.

Before all you people go nuts over the whole graphics vs. gameplay thing let me just inform you that I was born with a birth defect of only having one eye. I can not see 3D in the real world but for some reason when game developers make 3d games with high-def graphics I can see it in 3D. So for me awesome graphics are a must.

Peace.

I thought halo's story was a terrible melodramatic clique, but that's just me. Also, bioware made Mass Effect. Fun_In_The_Sun

That is why I never liked the halo series, but mass effect on the other hand is excellent.

GTA IV was developed by Rockstar North which is based in Scotland BTW...

I agree with TC though.

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[QUOTE="belrock86"]It seems to me American developers at least Xbox 360 American developers are always focused solely on gameplay rather than story BioShock was created in Australia Bioware of course Canada and anyone that says Halo or Gears has a good story must not know what a story is. Japanese game developers always seem to focus solely on story than gameplay I feel like this is a huge reason why the Xbox 360 isn't taken seriously in Japan so why can't American developers create good stories do they believe American gamers don't care and rather see great visuals and lots of action or is it that American developers feel like it isn't necessary to make a game great? I made have opend the flood gates here but I wanna hear everyone's thoughts.belrock86

Take a closer look at drug use, attitudes, and government policy in relation to good content. These policies hurt all creative industries throughout the world. The peak of creative content was in the 60's with the lows in the 2000s'.

I agree and thats why I feel more people need to stand up and be creative

Define creative.

Talented writers can be creative in less outlandish settings. Examples being Condemned, Half Life, even Portal.

Maybe the U.S gameing companys should work with the japanese gameing companys.XNA-Game-Maker

A lot of people that i know dislike Japanese games so that wouldn't be a great idea.

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GTA isn't even made in America so idk why he mentioned it.

But yes, I would have to agree that very few games developed in America seem to have really great stories.

VoodooHak

I took "American" to mean "Western". I didn't see the need to differentiate based on geo-political boundaries. Cultural differences seemed much more relevant to the discussion.

using stronger gramer doesnt make your argument better. Just makes it harder for some people to think about and easier for them to agree with if they dont know what your talking about. So just speak as if you were talking with average day people and not some geography major or game analyst

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="7CloudStrife7"]

GTA isn't even made in America so idk why he mentioned it.

But yes, I would have to agree that very few games developed in America seem to have really great stories.

ceells87

I took "American" to mean "Western". I didn't see the need to differentiate based on geo-political boundaries. Cultural differences seemed much more relevant to the discussion.

using stronger gramer doesnt make your argument better. Just makes it harder for some people to think about and easier for them to agree with if they dont know what your talking about. So just speak as if you were talking with average day people and not some geography major or game analyst

Really? Are you serious? Is a term like geo-political" too hard for some people to grasp? Or are we talking about words like "differentiate"? "Relevant"? Uh.... "cultural"?

Really? Those are 5th grade vocabulary words.

Honestly, if you're having problems, feel free to PM me if you need any clarification.

[QUOTE="ceells87"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="7CloudStrife7"]

GTA isn't even made in America so idk why he mentioned it.

But yes, I would have to agree that very few games developed in America seem to have really great stories.

VoodooHak

I took "American" to mean "Western". I didn't see the need to differentiate based on geo-political boundaries. Cultural differences seemed much more relevant to the discussion.

using stronger gramer doesnt make your argument better. Just makes it harder for some people to think about and easier for them to agree with if they dont know what your talking about. So just speak as if you were talking with average day people and not some geography major or game analyst

Really? Are you serious? Is a term like geo-political" too hard for some people to grasp? Or are we talking about words like "differentiate"? "Relevant"? Uh.... "cultural"?

Really? Those are 5th grade vocabulary words.

Honestly, if you're having problems, feel free to PM me if you need any clarification.

that's right cause you can go up to any average 5th grader and say "hey whats geo-political mean?" and they'll give you the answer your looking for. But the point is your being an a$$ by trying to talk like you know your right. Im not saying your wrong and im not saying the TP is wrong but the fact that no one else in this board is trying to sound like you makes it pretty obvious no one speaks like that as a normal way to discuss opinions about videogames. so get off your high horse and act like a gamer having a normal discussion with other gamers. cause like it or not your just like the rest of us

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="ceells87"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="7CloudStrife7"]

GTA isn't even made in America so idk why he mentioned it.

But yes, I would have to agree that very few games developed in America seem to have really great stories.

ceells87

I took "American" to mean "Western". I didn't see the need to differentiate based on geo-political boundaries. Cultural differences seemed much more relevant to the discussion.

using stronger gramer doesnt make your argument better. Just makes it harder for some people to think about and easier for them to agree with if they dont know what your talking about. So just speak as if you were talking with average day people and not some geography major or game analyst

Really? Are you serious? Is a term like geo-political" too hard for some people to grasp? Or are we talking about words like "differentiate"? "Relevant"? Uh.... "cultural"?

Really? Those are 5th grade vocabulary words.

Honestly, if you're having problems, feel free to PM me if you need any clarification.

that's right cause you can go up to any average 5th grader and say "hey whats geo-political mean?" and they'll give you the answer your looking for. But the point is your being an a$$ by trying to talk like you know your right. Im not saying your wrong and im not saying the TP is wrong but the fact that no one else in this board is trying to sound like you makes it pretty obvious no one speaks like that as a normal way to discuss opinions about videogames. so get off your high horse and act like a gamer having a normal discussion with other gamers. cause like it or not your just like the rest of us

Testify.

that's right cause you can go up to any average 5th grader and say "hey whats geo-political mean?" and they'll give you the answer your looking for. But the point is your being an a$$ by trying to talk like you know your right. Im not saying your wrong and im not saying the TP is wrong but the fact that no one else in this board is trying to sound like you makes it pretty obvious no one speaks like that as a normal way to discuss opinions about videogames. so get off your high horse and act like a gamer having a normal discussion with other gamers. cause like it or not your just like the rest of us

ceells87

So basically, you have a problem with one word I used. Sorry, that's qualifies as conversational for me. My use of the term was both correct and, more importantly, appropriate. I just didn't know it would be a challenge for anyone with at least a high school education.

Bottom line: do you know what it means? If so, let's not derail the topic.

Any line between a "good" and "bad" story can be drawn on cultural lines, not necessarily on the country you're from.

It seems to me American developers at least Xbox 360 American developers are always focused solely on gameplay rather than story BioShock was created in Australia Bioware of course Canada and anyone that says Halo or Gears has a good story must not know what a story is. Japanese game developers always seem to focus solely on story than gameplay I feel like this is a huge reason why the Xbox 360 isn't taken seriously in Japan so why can't American developers create good stories do they believe American gamers don't care and rather see great visuals and lots of action or is it that American developers feel like it isn't necessary to make a game great? I made have opend the flood gates here but I wanna hear everyone's thoughts.belrock86

well you might be right you might be wrong. i am kind of tipsy and i dont feel like thinking which game was developed in US and which not but i can tell you something: story or not i would take gears over bioshock or 95% of japanese games everyday. its multiplayer is one of the best of the last 10 years.

man I think you are confused as stated before good narrative is not the same as good story for real, you use MGS story as an example, it is not good, write the ful story and read it is so so, but the way it is presented to you is what makes it spectaculardoubalfa

which games have good stories to you then. video games are still miles behind movies and books. i have never played a game on par with a movie. I do believe the story for MGS4 is a good one. the story has to immerse you in the game and ok mass effect wasnt american i was mistaken about that but the games i mentioned do immerse you. narrative is a very intrical part of a story. the plot of mgs may not seem so amazing but how the whole story pulls it together i think it is very good. video games are on there way. I dont think americans should be singled out. American, Japanese, Europeans have very few games with great stories. just because the japanese focus more on the stories doesnt make those stories any good.

because psychodelic drugs are illegal in the USDJF00P

no lie its always the druged up maniacs who create cool stories