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#1 Goose312
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Let me tell you a little story I like to call "Why I now only own non-Microsoft related consoles." It all began 4 years ago. Almost to the day. I decided to sign up for an xbox live account since my best friend had one and seemed to enjoy it. I selected the annual subscription as it seemed to be the best deal and I figured I would be playing enough with the coming summer holiday to make good use of it. However, over the next few months I played less and less, really stopping completely after about half a year. Naturally I forgot about my subscription and come end of April my now unused xbox live account was renewed. Now this was my own fault as I never bothered to call in and cancel, and as such I decided to do so at that time. After hours of scouring the xbox site looking for a method to cancel my account or a number which might yield similar results, I finally found a number to connect to the representatives who controlled my xbox live account and after a lengthy attempted sales pitch (c'mon, do those things ever work?) I was told that my account was closed. Time passed, a year in fact, and low and behold, what should appear within my Visa bill? MICROSOFT *XBOX LIVE !! Unbelievable! So I again find the number, call their support understandably upset and after another lengthy attempted sales pitch (seriously, no one cares what new offers you are running) I was told that there must have been a minor error and my account will be closed and I would be given a refund. Well the refund didn't come, but I didn't pay much attention as I had other things going on and was happy enough to be done with it. Yet another year passed and, again, MICROSOFT *XBOX LIVE. I immediately find a phone, call their support and blow up on the first person to answer screaming that I have now been charged for 2 years worth of a service I haven't used in almost 3 years. After the idiotically mandated sales pitch (seriously? I just spent 20 minutes insulting everything about your immoral or incompetent company and you think there's even a slight chance of me wanting you to bill me for more crap I will never use?) I am told again that I would get a refund in the coming weeks and my account was closed. So it's now a year later. I was fairly surprised to find a bill from Visa in my mailbox. I open it up and see the lone charge, MICROSOFT *XBOX LIVE. Now the reason I'm surprised wasn't even entirely that those jackasses continually screw me over. It's more the fact that my Visa card expired 6 months ago, I never renewed it, and was being charged an additional fee for using a non-activated card. At this point I'm just wondering what it takes to actually cancel my account. Apparently the commitment for an intellectual property account with no actual value is greater than that of most houses now a days.
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#2 porky_ownsu
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wow, you should sue microsoft

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#3 ForsakenWicked
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I would strongly suggest recording your calls. Also, write down first and last name of the representative and if necessary ask for a supervisor. If you don't see your refund within the first 30 bussiness days, call them again and again until it gets fixed. Based on what you wrote, you could sue Microsoft, but we all know winning against a giant corporation is something weird. You can also sue the representatives for not doing the job they're supposed to do. Believe me, I work in a call center and know how things work. In this case, I don't see any possible violation of the Contract of Use, thus, giving you a fair advantage if you decide on sueing them. Good luck with your case.
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#4 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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i'm kind of irked with them too. i called in to stop automatic renewal. yet i can not, for the life of me, get my credit card removed as the billing option. i think i'm going to buy a gift credit card and try punching that in so i don't get into a similar situation as TC.
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#5 Evandemocracy
Member since 2009 • 303 Posts

something simular happend to me when i created an aol account in the 90's i agree intirelysomething should be done.

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#7 accesdenied
Member since 2008 • 485 Posts

wow that sucks im using there freebe xboxlive you know the one for a month now i kind of dont want to go to xbox live

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#8 SpinoRaptor24
Member since 2008 • 10316 Posts

Wow man that must have been a real kick in the balls. I know a lot of friends who have had the same problem as you.

That's why I only buy Live cards from the store.

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#9 MissMorphine
Member since 2008 • 1156 Posts

i think theres an option to turn off auto renewal. i was checking the site the other day... cuz i sent my 360 in for repair n i think i saw that option. i would check it out if i were you.

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#10 shabab12
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Its a REAL pain in the a** to cancel thing with microsoft. Why don't they just have an option on the 360 itself. To make it harder for people, thats why.
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#11 Palantas
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How do they charge you on an inactive card? I didn't know that was possible. You should contact your card services, and have them block charges from Microsoft.

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#12 androflash
Member since 2005 • 1034 Posts

Call your bank (or the bank you used to be with) and explain them everything, they are much more helpful and a lot more intelligent, believe me. They will probably be able to help you, you could also try recording the calls and then forwarding them to your bank, so they know you actually tried to stop them. Good luck.

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#13 SoAmazingBaby
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OMG. How is that even possible. Man I would be nuts.
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rofls
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#15 SnakeEyesX80
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Sounds like you didn't follow up and put to much faith into someone actually doing their job. Why would you wait a year for your refund if you hadn't received in 4-6 weeks? Also, when you were charged the first time and you didn't agree with the charge, did it not occur to you to call your credit card company and block Microsoft from charging your card? Why would you let it happen three times? Your as much at fault as they are, sorry to say.
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#16 Squeets
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1. This is entirely made up... Because after the second year, any sane person would have called the Better Business Bureau (or their European counterparts if you are in Europe)... and they would have investigated Microsoft...

2. Microsoft is worth hundreds of billions of dollars and supplies goods and services to hundreds of millions (possibly billions) of people... I find it hard to believe that out of hundreds of millions of people, their billing servers/employees only have an error like this for you... because I have never once seen anyone else say anything about Microsoft stealing money from them...

3. Once again on the "sane person" note... any sane person would have called their bank (debit card) or credit card company and put a stop payment on the Microsoft Xbox Live bill...

4. Obvious troll thread since the topic creator has 1 post and hasn't responded to the thread.

/End Rant

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1. This is entirely made up... Because after the second year, any sane person would have called the Better Business Bureau (or their European counterparts if you are in Europe)... and they would have investigated Microsoft...

2. Microsoft is worth hundreds of billions of dollars and supplies goods and services to hundreds of millions (possibly billions) of people... I find it hard to believe that out of hundreds of millions of people, their billing servers/employees only have an error like this for you... because I have never once seen anyone else say anything about Microsoft stealing money from them...

3. Once again on the "sane person" note... any sane person would have called their bank (debit card) or credit card company and put a stop payment on the Microsoft Xbox Live bill...

4. Obvious troll thread since the topic creator has 1 post and hasn't responded to the thread.

/End Rant

Squeets
I agree hes probably exaggerating, but it does happen to an extent. When some good games come out an i want live again, ill get a XBL prepaid card.
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#18 freerunner01
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Although I am not planning on stopping my gameplay anytime soon, that is the precise reason why I only use prepaid cards. Not only is my account safe from hackers and the like but I can just stop my account whenever. Sure, it's a bit of a hassle to get them but hey...

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#19 moose_knuckler
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I shouldn't have used my debit card for Live either, gets to be a hassle seeing as I only payed for 3-month so I'm gonna grab the year subscription card when I have the spare cash.
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[QUOTE="Goose312"]Let me tell you a little story I like to call "Why I now only own non-Microsoft related consoles." It all began 4 years ago. Almost to the day. I decided to sign up for an xbox live account since my best friend had one and seemed to enjoy it. I selected the annual subscription as it seemed to be the best deal and I figured I would be playing enough with the coming summer holiday to make good use of it. However, over the next few months I played less and less, really stopping completely after about half a year. Naturally I forgot about my subscription and come end of April my now unused xbox live account was renewed. Now this was my own fault as I never bothered to call in and cancel, and as such I decided to do so at that time. After hours of scouring the xbox site looking for a method to cancel my account or a number which might yield similar results, I finally found a number to connect to the representatives who controlled my xbox live account and after a lengthy attempted sales pitch (c'mon, do those things ever work?) I was told that my account was closed. Time passed, a year in fact, and low and behold, what should appear within my Visa bill? MICROSOFT *XBOX LIVE !! Unbelievable! So I again find the number, call their support understandably upset and after another lengthy attempted sales pitch (seriously, no one cares what new offers you are running) I was told that there must have been a minor error and my account will be closed and I would be given a refund. Well the refund didn't come, but I didn't pay much attention as I had other things going on and was happy enough to be done with it. Yet another year passed and, again, MICROSOFT *XBOX LIVE. I immediately find a phone, call their support and blow up on the first person to answer screaming that I have now been charged for 2 years worth of a service I haven't used in almost 3 years. After the idiotically mandated sales pitch (seriously? I just spent 20 minutes insulting everything about your immoral or incompetent company and you think there's even a slight chance of me wanting you to bill me for more crap I will never use?) I am told again that I would get a refund in the coming weeks and my account was closed. So it's now a year later. I was fairly surprised to find a bill from Visa in my mailbox. I open it up and see the lone charge, MICROSOFT *XBOX LIVE. Now the reason I'm surprised wasn't even entirely that those jackasses continually screw me over. It's more the fact that my Visa card expired 6 months ago, I never renewed it, and was being charged an additional fee for using a non-activated card. At this point I'm just wondering what it takes to actually cancel my account. Apparently the commitment for an intellectual property account with no actual value is greater than that of most houses now a days.

If you live in the UK then get in touch with the BBC Watchdog.
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#22 gamerfreak1991
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I find the best option for LIVE is to just buy the 12+1 month prepaid cards. No problems with billing and all that s***.
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#23 MadMac132
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If you live in the UK then get in touch with the BBC Watchdog.Soul-gamer
i was just gonna say, get watchdog on it!! lol. microsoft are infamous for being b**tards. look at the gamespot feature about hardrives a few weeks back, they dont allow third parties to make most accessories, so people are forced to buy theyr rip off products. apparently when 360s first came out, over half never made it off the production line. and a lot more end up getting rrod (like mine) and as watchdog pointed out, if your xbox decides it hates you and burns a ring on your disk, they refuse to do anything about it.
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#24 Lanezy
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How do they charge you on an inactive card? I didn't know that was possible. You should contact your card services, and have them block charges from Microsoft.

Palantas

This is what I did when a gym I was going to over charged me bunch of times.I really don't understand why you haven't done this already.

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#25 TTDog
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New account with this the only post... I smell troll.

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#26 k2theswiss
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yaaa well nice post. why would u make new account to post this? hope u get ban and u know gamespot blocks ip's so ppl cant keep making accounts.. and if this really happened on the 2 year u would called visa and told them to Dennie the charge
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#27 Flamecommando
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Well Microsoft's foreign call center does it again.... They really are terrible.

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#28 kylekatarn08
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Thats why I always buy subscription cards and don't pay with a credit card to avoid these little errors. But I doubt this is a real post things like this don't happen and the posts above me say the same so I'm saying bs.

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#29 Squeets
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Well Microsoft's foreign call center does it again.... They really are terrible.

Flamecommando

Why do people always complain... what would you do if you were in Microsoft's position? Hire American's with their minimum wage laws and working condition laws that say they will only work 40 hours a week for at least $7.50 an hour... or would you hire Indians with no laws of that nature and pay them $.50 an hour to work for 12+ hours a day every day of the week...

So for half the price, they get twice as many workers, working twice as long... Microsoft is a business, they exist to make money... They don't hire them simply to make Americans and Europeans mad...

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#30 Firex777x
Member since 2008 • 697 Posts

wow, that's sad.

it's all a big plan for microsoft to rule the world!

and we'll have to use the currency of MS Points 80 = $1 (which makes nooooo sense o.o)

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#31 SteeleInd
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wow, that's sad.

it's all a big plan for microsoft to rule the world!

and we'll have to use the currency of MS Points 80 = $1 (which makes nooooo sense o.o)

Firex777x
There's a reason for MS Points not being directly proportionate to the US dollar. Microsoft is a global business. They don't want to associate themselves strictly with the United States.
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#32 SHiFTY_v4
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Lol, troll post. Microsoft would have cancelled your account the first time. He must be a PS3 fanboy.

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#33 vitriolboy
Member since 2005 • 4356 Posts

Lol, troll post. Microsoft would have cancelled your account the first time. He must be a PS3 fanboy.

SHiFTY_v4

Lol, fanboy post. Can't accept MS would ever make mistakes. He must be an MS fanboy.

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#34 spendinbig
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Sue them for $180 good luck...I cancelled my auto renewal and had no problems. I guess thats why Bill Gates is so rich...visa scams.
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#35 Innocentguy757
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First you should have gotten reference numbers. I hope you got that, if not, big mistake. You can't really prove anything, though that sucks.
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#36 joke_man
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I worked for a bank while I was in college and I have a great deal of experience with Visa as well. I can tell you are BSing because

1) If MS had actually kept your account open, they would've contacted you when your Visa expired.

2) Once your Visa card has expired (regardless of where it was a credit card or linked to a DDA, savings, etc.) it is impossible for charges to go through and affect your account simply because if it were for debit purposes, the link to your personal account would be cancelled and the number associated with your card would be invalid or if it were a credit card, the account would be closed. I suppose it is possible if it were a credit card, seeing as CC#s don't typicallychange with new cards, but it is highly unlikely as MS wouldn't have contacted you anyway and the CIV # would've changed, etc.

3) Why wouldn't you follow up by checking the validity of the gamertag or logging onto Xbox.com, or anything to verify the problems you were having.

4) I'm also curious as to why this is a big deal to you didn't care whether or not they refunded you.

5) You created a new account because you are a sociopathic troll.....HAHA!

The list could go on.

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#37 thundersex
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Dude, no joke, you should file a lawsuit against microsoft.

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#38 FrostyGopher
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When I had my xbox die, I had to pay for the repair, but they said the systems were down, after I gave the foreigner my credit card info, but was assured there would be no double charges. /rolleyes I called again, later gave it again, and asked again, if there would be a double charge. Ohhh no sir. So about a week later, I check my billing, and I hadn't been charged once, not twice, but THREE TIMES. I called them, livid. And was told there would be a refund, a couple months went by, I received a refund for ONE of the charges, so I called again, a couple months went by, nothing hapened, so I called again, and it's been a year and a half, nothing yet.
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#39 OfficialBed
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That really sucks. This goes to show why it's probably better to get the XBL cards from a store like I do.

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#40 decepticondevil
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I'm actually surprised it took so long for the mindless fanboys to get into this thread.

"OMG U R LIEING BCUZ MICRO$OFT IS PERFECT AN THEY WUD NEVER DO THAT AN IF THEY DID IT MUST BE UR FALT SUMHOW AN U MUST BE STOOPID BCUZ THEY R AWESUM AND THEY LUV ALL OF THEY'RE CUSTOMERZ U TROLL!!!!oneoneeleven111!!"

I would definitely say contact the Better Business Bureau and see if they can get results. I had a similar problem once with Sprint.... long story short they overcharged me on some stuff and when I told them I wanted to cancel my account with them the agreed to fix the charges and promised me all kinds of other stuff to sign a new contract.... and didn't deliver on any of it. I called them multiple times and each time they flat out called me a liar and told me there's no way they would have promised me those things. I got on the BBB website and filed a complaint against them.... about a month later a representative from Sprint called saying that they listened to the recording of my call and I was, in fact, promised all of those things. I got out of my contract, was reimbursed for a $100 phone I bought, was given free internet, FINALLY had the charges reversed... a bunch of other stuff.

tl;dr the BBB does get results.

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#41 sensfanVone
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Happened to me once, did a chargeback and it never happened again.

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#42 Valentino07
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All of their phone calls are automatically recorded for quality purposes. This is why they give you a long confirmation number after every conversation. You can use that number to pull up the call. Get a lawyer, pull up the calls as evidence, of fraud, $BING BING$.

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#43 th3warr1or
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Omg, that is absolutely terrible.. You should sue them(but you'd probably lose because it's Microsoft)...
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#44 th3warr1or
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1. This is entirely made up... Because after the second year, any sane person would have called the Better Business Bureau (or their European counterparts if you are in Europe)... and they would have investigated Microsoft...

2. Microsoft is worth hundreds of billions of dollars and supplies goods and services to hundreds of millions (possibly billions) of people... I find it hard to believe that out of hundreds of millions of people, their billing servers/employees only have an error like this for you... because I have never once seen anyone else say anything about Microsoft stealing money from them...

3. Once again on the "sane person" note... any sane person would have called their bank (debit card) or credit card company and put a stop payment on the Microsoft Xbox Live bill...

4. Obvious troll thread since the topic creator has 1 post and hasn't responded to the thread.

/End Rant

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I just realized he has only 1 post..
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#45 ibanezdropd
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This is a major reason why I refuse to less MS have my credit card information. At one point I did have my card info on my account only to realize you can't remove it yourself. I called in and their response was "Why would you want to remove it? We can't automatically roll over into the new year without it".

Seriously, I feel for you man. That sucks. I only use pre-paid cards for xbl.

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#46 Sway-
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Good luck with whatever you do man that really sucks.
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#47 CardiacKid07
Member since 2007 • 1225 Posts

Wow man that must have been a real kick in the balls. I know a lot of friends who have had the same problem as you.

That's why I only buy Live cards from the store.

SpinoRaptor24
Same here. I refuse to use my Debit / Credit card with LIVE
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#48 Willsi100
Member since 2008 • 148 Posts

wow that sucks im using there freebe xboxlive you know the one for a month now i kind of dont want to go to xbox live

accesdenied
if you want to avoid things like this just buy a xbox live gold membership card from a shop. it saves giving any details to microsoft.
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#49 RaseshX
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Sue them, srsly.

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#50 eyd25
Member since 2006 • 214 Posts

I used the 1 month trial & they didn't renew it so I'm cool with that. I just bought a 1 year subscription with PGR4 & the messenger kit. Maybe you could sue them but it's gonna be hard & will take a lot of your time & money before you can get anything.