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#1 -BOX-
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]But they are. :|

Look at KZ2, the most generic FPS out there yet all the Cows love it.

Aljosa23

I think you just proved my point.

If I was a Sheep I would prove your point. ;)

How come do you have a FFXIII sig and avatar? FFXIII is just another FF game with a new coat of paint. How boring is that?

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#2 -BOX-
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I think what he means is that a lot of sheep talk about Wii games like they're all misunderstood masterpieces that only the sheep seem to fully appreciate. Then usually they go on about how the PS3/360 games are just the "same old with a fresh coat of paint" like you just did.

Aljosa23

But they are. :|

Look at KZ2, the most generic FPS out there yet all the Cows love it.

I think you just proved my point.

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[QUOTE="Zhengi"] So to like average games that are not shovelware is to have some taste now? Really? You don't seem to suggest that with your statement.Zhengi

Take a game like Stars! for the PC. Very limited but I love it, or say nethack would be another example. Hardly games to set the world alight but I love them. are they great games hell no, do I treat them as such no. Just because you enjoy a game doesn't mean you can't admit its limitations or flaws or that it is not a world beater.

I do think sheep are guilty of putting up games, that would be treated as incredibly ordinary on any other platform, as being great though. Individuals tastes aren't something you can score I agree.

Where have people who own Wiis done that? Just because they enjoy those average games doesn't mean that aren't entitled to think they are awesome. So really, why does it upset you if they enjoy those types of games?

I think what he means is that a lot of sheep talk about Wii games like they're all misunderstood masterpieces that only the sheep seem to fully appreciate. Then usually they go on about how the PS3/360 games are just the "same old with a fresh coat of paint" like you just did.

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[QUOTE="-BOX-"]So now sheep are using the "reviews mean nothing" argument? oh lawd.IronBass

Fair enough.

What do review mean?

Review:
-noun

1. a critical article or report, as in a periodical, on a book, play, recital, or the like; critique; evaluation.
2. the process of going over a subject again in study or recitation in order to fix it in the memory or summarize the facts.
3. an exercise designed or intended for study of this kind.
4. a general survey of something, esp. in words; a report or account of something.

Dictionary.com can help you next time you want to know what something means.

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[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]And yet, the definition of AAA has not changed. IronBass
Nope. But what is an AAA game is enterely subjective. You can say "the consensus is that it's an AAA game", and still wouldn't be a fact. You can say "it is AAA on metacritic", fair enough, that's a fact, but since it's based on reviews, it's an irrelevant fact.

So now sheep are using the "reviews mean nothing" argument? oh lawd.

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#6 -BOX-
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Let's remember the history of the Wii. No one expected it to sell so well, not even Nintendo. Nintendo was prepared and practically expecting sales a little better than GC.
And above all 3rd party developers didn't expect it to sell so well, so they were caught with games heavily invested into PS3/360 games. They all had to change gears and in hopes of turning the expected profit jumped to Wii games...and unfortunately many of those games have been rushed.

On top of that, the best selling console attracts the crappy shovelware companies (as I think the best selling console always does).

flazzle

It's 2009. Stop living in the past.

The PS3 came up the hill, why can't the Wii?

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[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="Zhengi"] Wait, you said new IPs. What new IPs are big time IPs before they come out? You can't make that assumption. That's why you have people hyping games like Lair, Haze, and Too Human. Those were viewed as big time new IPs, but they freaking flopped. And so now Mad World can't be considered a big time IP because you said so? So saying that the Wii has Mad World isn't an argument now? In fact, there are other ones coming out like The Conduit that can be big time IPs. And I mentioned Rune Factory and Little King's Story because those are new IPs that I like. I'll take them over Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, and Bioshock cause those are just not my type of games. Zhengi

A game can have big hype based off previews from professional media outlets. Your Rune Factory and Little King Story hype'o meter rating is basically zero. I'm not saying every 3rd party game that comes out on X360/PS3 is big compared to the Wii but all these big titles have been released throughout the past 2 years while the Wii sees almost nothing: Saint's Row (1&2), Fracture, Mercenaries 2, Pure, Silent Hill, Soul Calibur 4, UT3, Bourne Conspiracy, Ninja Gaiden (1&2), Army of Two, Condemned 2, Rainbow Six Vegas (1&2), Dark Sector, Lost Planet, Assassins Creed, Orange Box, COD series, Stranglehold, Darkness, TC Advanced Warfigher 2, F.E.A.R (1&2), Elder Scrolls, Splinter Cell, and I can go on and on but you get the point. When you look at the Wii's 3rd party support don't you ever wonder why exactly? I keep hearing the same thing over the past two years....it must be because they bet on the wrong horse but NOW they are going to put the titles on the winning console, the Wii. When is that prophecy going to come true? They are never going to have a bigger lead (at least with the PS3) than they do now, yet the 3rd party devs continue to put the bigger IP's on X360 and PS3. Maybe what this dev is saying is actually true?

So only hype can create a big game? How does that work? I don't care about hype. All I care about is a good game. A game like Rune Factory Frontier is a good game. Why do I need to hype it in order for it to be a good game?

Why are you including sequels along with your new IPs in that list? Are you talking about sequels or new IPs? Why do you keep changing the subject? And you listed quite a few of them that aren't even considered big time new IPs. Fracture? Really? Army of Two?

You know what I think? I look at the horizon for the 360 and PS3, and I don't see as many of those new IPs that you claim that it has. 3rd party games with new IPs are starting to become an extinct being on those two consoles. In the PS2's lifetime, there were constantly new games coming out and these consoles aren't seeing it. If those two consoles are so great, then why haven't 3rd parties filled out the entire year line up with new IPs? They haven't because they've been closing so many devs because of the costs associated with the HD consoles. Now I'm not certain if they'll ever start taking the Wii seriously, and frankly, I don't care because ultimately, they're the ones losing money and not me.

However, games of better quality like Mad World, The Conduit, Rune Factory, LKS, and others are starting to come to the Wii. Most developers such as EA have stated that they are starting to concentrate more of their efforts on the Wii. Even Activision Blizzard has said as much. You can continue to ignore what they say and pretend that no one is making games for the Wii, but the change is already happening. This is not a prediction. This is what is happening and you would notice too if you would just drop your bias and look at what is happening. So we'll see if they keep their words or if they'll continue to lose money. At the moment, I'm betting on the latter just because fanboys like Peter Wanat are still around.

"Just wait."

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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Thats not what the Wii was made for.

It wasn't made to be a PS3/360 clone -- it was ment to stand on its own, get its own unique titles -- have developers take risks, come up with new interesting ideas for games.

Considering its a cheap platform to develop for -- developers can take these risks without suffering as big of a loss as they would on the PS3 and the 360.

As for it not getting those 'big sequels' -- they wouldn't work well on the Wii anyway -- and why would Wii owners want a port of games? As a Wii owner, I want those unique titles. I want those titles that USE the brand name, build off of the brand (take for example, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicle and Darkside Chronicles, Dead Space Extraction) -- why do I want these titles? They are being made specifically for the Wii, they arent a 'me too' version and they are exclusive to the Wii -- fans of those games should be eagarly anticipating those spin-off titles.

Zhengi

Playing Boom Blox, de Blob, PES soccer, Shaun White with the balance board ... all feel revolutionary to me and remind me of my first game of Space Invaders in an arcade, or Doom/Quake where gaming was exploring new territory ... not improved rehashes of old concepts.

When I look at game libraries, I don't see that much on other consoles that is new or exciting to me [after 30 years of playing consoles]. Great titles, yes ... but better graphics aren't enough to sell me on something I've played before.

Ouch. I think it really dates us when we can claim we've played so many games for so many years. This is probably why we can appreciate new types of gaming experiences that are coming out right now for the Wii rather than being stunned by the new graphics. I mean, graphics are great, but after the initial awesomeness of it, I want more meat than the looks and that is the gameplay.

lol here comes the "we are oldschool and better gamers than you so we know what we're talking about" arguments sheep love to use



Sheep, the entitlement fanboys.

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#9 -BOX-
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Why are you bringing up obvious bad games that are not rehashes/sequels on the PS3/360 when we're talking about sequels and rehashes?

Your post is the equivalent of me saying "lol lol but what about Party Babiez on the Wii?"

Haziqonfire

A lot of xbox360 and PS3 games are too similar to their previous gen versions -- some good examples are Devil May Cry 4 and Resident Evil 5. Too similar, not worth checking out IMO of course. Same can be said on any other console though.





lol ok. RE5 is not worth checking out.

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[QUOTE="Zhengi"] So now they have to be great sequels? Zelda, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy (GOTY 2007), Super Smash Bros Brawl, and others are great sequels. And now, it's getting new IPs like MadWorld, Rune Factory Frontier, and Little King's Story. Yeah, and it's nice of you guys to throw the, "well, rehashes and sequels is all Nintendo has" line all the time when you guys yourself hype the same type of games on your systems. If you don't see the irony and hypocrisy in that, it's all on you. Also, if you noticed, I wasn't the first to go into that line of reasoning. I just followed up that guy's reasoning with examples that are on other systems. If you can prove that Halo, GTA, MGS, and other games are not sequels or have rehashes, then by all means, prove it. Otherwise, you're just getting into territory about opinions of how good games are and that is subjective.Zhengi


Yeah but the difference is that those games on the PS3 and 360 are actually good. And we have more than 3.

What the? :lol: Yeah, cause only games on the PS3 and 360 can be good. That's why Lair, Too Human, Haze, and Halo Wars are awesome games. :lol: So much fanboyism in that post.

Why are you bringing up obvious bad games that are not rehashes/sequels on the PS3/360 when we're talking about sequels and rehashes?

Your post is the equivalent of me saying "lol lol but what about Party Babiez on the Wii?"