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But thats just it, its faith, there is no proof. you believe it because you were told to do so from a young age

UnrighteousFury

You aware aware that tons of people convert to any given religion when they're well into adulthood?

[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Why would it matter? You would just turn it away. Its obvious that your mind is closed to anything that you don't believe.

Ragnarok1051

But thats just it, its faith, there is no proof. you believe it because you were told to do so from a young age

And actually, my mind is open, i was raised under religious dogma. I discovered contradicting evidense and upon further investigation, i found no factual evidense in religion, which is why i left and searched other religions and eventually settled on atheism

[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="Neo-ganon"] Facepalm? Get over yourself. You still haven't comprehended my points.Shall I try again? Look at what you said: [QUOTE="Neo-ganon"] im not dead set on this being from god you ignorant athiest troll. im simply voicing my opinion by saying that there is no other way my friend could have lived.Neo-ganon

when all those doctors with their ph.d's diagnosed him with terminal cancer and say that there is no hope for survival, yet he does live, dont you think that there was a higher force at work that had plans for him in the future?Neo-ganon

you are not getting it at all...

the doctors and surgeons had exhausted all other options in an attempt to cure him. that tube in his lungs was the only thing they could do to help delay his inevitable death. as i said, it was an incurable cancer. keyword: incurable. look it up. ergo there really was no other way.

[QUOTE="Neo-ganon"]

[QUOTE="TheDawnofFlames"]I have no idea. You should know this, it's your religion. TheDawnofFlames

oh you flaming little troll... religion doesnt condone homosexuality. get the facts strait.

Facepalm? Get over yourself. You still haven't comprehended my points. Shall I try again? Look at what you said:

[QUOTE="Neo-ganon"] im not dead set on this being from god you ignorant athiest troll. im simply voicing my opinion by saying that there is no other way my friend could have lived.The_Versatile

Then yes, you are dead-set on it being God. You just said there is NO OTHER WAY! :lol: Pay attention? :roll:

when all those doctors with their ph.d's diagnosed him with terminal cancer and say that there is no hope for survival, yet he does live, dont you think that there was a higher force at work that had plans for him in the future?Neo-ganon

PH.D's.... there you go again. You're not understanding my earlier point. Why do you trust that docotrs knew so much, with their PH.D's and all, but when your friend heals, I guess the doctors and their PH.D's didn't look so smart huh? THINK. Please, THINK. The doctors could have made a mistake! Just like they did with me. Just like they have with MANY other people. Misdiagnoses are more common that you realize. If you're so sure the doctors were wrong now, why don't you THINK about how they could have just been wrong all along, and your friend was really never in danger? Why you won't think that way? I'll tell you why. Because it would change everything that you already got used to. That's why. :|

No I don' t think there is some God who had a plan for his future. You don't know that either. That's nothing but speculation that not only makes you feel better about yourself, but it doubles as reinforcement for your beliefs which have no basis in reality. It's just a way to stay inside the box as long as possible, and not have to face reality.

Ok, so I'm going by the standard four basic political beliefs.

Conservatism (Republican)

Core Conservative principals are the belief that God and country are very important. They generally support smaller government and advocate American exceptionalism, which is the belief that the United States is highly influential in dictating the direction of the world.

Liberalism (Democrat)

Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. They generally support freedom of thought, speech, fair and open elections, and equal rights by law. They usually push for a pro-choice stance on equal rights for women and same-sex marriage.

Libertarianism (Libertarian)

Libertarianism priortizes individual liberty and generally pushes towards minimizing government. They generally believe individual's rights are in accordance to their own individual values.

Large Government (Socialist/Communist)

Socialists believe capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth and creates an unequal society. They push for a society where wealth and power are distruibuted evenly. Eventually, should socialism continue to evolve, it will turn into a communistic state.

A communist state under Marxist terms has yet to exist, and you do realise that marxist communism is a society with no government, right? and socialists do not think that capitalism unfairly concentrates power, nor do they push for your "equal society", look at socialist counties of today, like norway, and the heavily socialistic countries, like sweden, socialists believe that the government is responsible for the well being of the people it was founded for, and thus try and help them through social programs and wealth redistribution (from differences in taxes, to controlled wages)

So, which one is better? Which of the four do you agree with most?

Maniacc1