Judgding from videos, I'd say that it's impossible to make any kind of judgement call between this and Gears 3. Prob gotta wait and play both games,... they both look about equal.

I bought my Xbox 360 for Forza 3, and played the heck out of it. Then again, I also bought it for Halo and Gears .... don't use it for anything else. Starcraft 2 until Forza 4 and Gears 3 heheheheh

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I said when the same exact games are ported, meaning not shoddy ports.

Did I ever say 'as if it turned into a crap game in a few years'? No.

FPS games are still using the same 'design', but clearly a lot of them are different are they not? Compared to previous sandbox games, GTA4 had revolutionary environments, physics, combat, and most importantly immersion. The reviews and people all said the same thing, it felt alive and like a real city. The sound, graphics, scale, all those things attributed to an experience FOR THAT TIME that made it very very believable.

My point is if you're going to determine if GTA4 deserved its praise, you have to remember the era. In boxing there's an all time great system which functions the same way. The greatest figher of all time fought in 40s and he's ranked the highest because of the dominance of his era. Nobody seems to think outisde the box on video game forums, but that's also the reason I don't post so often here. : )

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I don't think standards have changed too much over the past few years, especially not on consoles.

DraugenCP

Yes they have. Games ported to another system a year later that are the same exact game score usually at least .5 lower. GTA4 was easily head and shoulders above anything else like it in terms of immersion, the world, value, and fun at the time.

That can also be attributed to the simple fact that many reviewers treat ports as a rerelease and will judge it based on how well it was ported rather than how good the actual game is. In any case, there are games older than GTA IV that receive a lot of praise here at SW, so it's way too easy to simply blame it on evolving standards. Not to mention that there's no way that 3 years can turn an allegedly perfect game into an allegedly bad one: people who have been sceptical have probably been it from the start.

And I very much disagree with that last statement.

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They treat a port as a release, but review it based on how well it was ported? Haha

You're missing the point completely. The question is if GTA4 deserved its praise, not if its standing the test of time. Reviews are based completely on standards for their time. It basically evelated sandbox games to the next level, and that's irrefutable.. just go and read the actual reviews, because that's what this thread is about.

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For its time it easily deserves at least a 9.5. For its time giving it a 10 isn't really overrating it, either. Easy to look back now and hate on it, eh?

DraugenCP

I don't think standards have changed too much over the past few years, especially not on consoles.

Yes they have. Games ported to another system a year later that are the same exact game score usually at least .5 lower. GTA4 was easily head and shoulders above anything else like it in terms of immersion, the world, value, and fun at the time.

For its time it easily deserves at least a 9.5. For its time giving it a 10 isn't really overrating it, either. Easy to look back now and hate on it, eh?

Battlefield 2 was sort of the same way. So was Crysis. We're talking MAX'd here. It's about time games are surpassing the hardware, cause TBH it was never worth the money to upgrade over a GTX 260 for years and years.

Except that new cards like that will cost like $600 for a while.

It's not a secreat that DLC is made to rip people off. And of course they have to release it day 1 or soon after release while the its gamers are craving more.

Here's what people seem not to understand. The problem is because idiots buy it. DLC has been succesful enough that you don't see things like expansion packs anymore, or free map packs, etc. It's annnoying as heck, because gaming is such an expensive hobby. I wish people wouldn't spend money on DLC, ever.. esepcially things like horse armor.

If you're going to play this game on a console, you should be happy that it's being designed on the PC. (Good) PC games ported to consoles are still better than console games.