Baldur's Gate.

The game that turned me into a player, and a modder, but also a novel reader and a writer.

Before that, I had been playing whatever I could get on my PC, but once I installed those 5CDs, I understood how one single game can trigger so many different things. And also, have fixed my tasted on the RPG and Strategy genres, which probably was the best happened to me in video games and modding.

aaaaaand... again...

we already know your fanboychildishbrainwashed excuses.

I'm not asking why you can't live without few stupid cinematic exclusives from a single genre of few hours duration and without mods.

I will believe ALL your excuses, I will give you that argument for free. :D

Look I'm saying it slowly: I... believe... all... your... excuses... shall... we... agree?

Now:

Can you answer why most of you hate PC in these system wars?

And, as a proof, I've answered you before why we can perfectly hate consoles, took me only 2 lines to explain.

I think it is a simple question, demanding a simple answer. :)

Haha, that, and their inferiority complex, I can't believe that video games are the only hobby in the world with a core of fanboys of the worst. We never saw a fisherman hating the best fishing pole, or a diver complaining because the best gear is "expensiiiiveeee", or a fan of cars saying that a Ferrari is overrated, neither you can find someone saying "the worst TV is better". But here, in the most technological hobby, personal computing, we have... that kind of... brainwashed sect!... of fans of the WORST haha.

I've started this topic to make, at least one of them, to try to explain not why they think they prefer consoles, we are tired of hear those childish excuses, I want to see how they manage to make an argument about "why" are they hating the PC, when the PC have bought nothing more than innovation, fresh games and new genres to consoles. We will never find a console game downgraded by its PC version, never will be a genre reduced in its mechanics to fit on PCs, never will play a saga ruined by casualization due to PC dumbed consumers demand. That is why in PC we can perfectly hate consoles, and we can explain it with enough proofs. And, also why never will be able to explain their hate to us in reasonable words.

The best to fight ignorance, is the Socratic method of questioning the obvious to make them notice their own contradictions.

Console users, here, the OP. Again, this is not one more topic about why there still existing people who voluntary choose to play in the worst possible conditions. Read careful what I want to know (at least what is in BOLD, please).

Why in these discussions, console players are constantly hating the best device for videogames, PC. :)

Still not understanding, right? We can argue all our lives about what a game is or why a movie is not re-playable, etc. But we can't argue about facts, to facts, the only consoles can argue is "I don't want quantity, quality, backwards compatibility, future certainty, entire genres, free online, modding" (to whichever wants to believes you). See?

And... still avoiding my main question, even if it were true that you think that (sounds childish excuses but I will give you that, I will believe that you truly thinks that), ok, the question still there: why do you need to hate the PC in each possible comment?

Besides console gaming, which forces to make titles more casual, downgraded, and genre limited if you plays on PC, the fact is that if you play on consoles, PC gaming does NOTHING bad to your games, in fact, it brings more titles and new genres.

Can you explain the hate to PC as I've explained the hate to consoles? :)

Still repeating that you don't want advantages (for someone who want believes you), but advantages still there, that is objectively the meaning of better. :)

See you? THAT. Why do you have the necessity to spread those myths? You can't play Total War or ARMA in a console, and RTS or Simulators are not worst than cinematic stupid linear stories, in fact, RTS are more "games" because of replayability. You can't re-play Uncharted even if you like it, but you will be replaying Starcraft all your life if you like it.

But besides what you think of PC, still waiting an answer about why do you have that necessity of be constantly hating the PC.

You can ask me why I may mock on consoles, I have real reasons that I can perfectly list (from downgrades in my PC games, trough stupid delays in launches to avoid the SHAME in comparatives, to destroy almost all multiplatform games in 1st/3rd person shooters to be easily playable on inferior devices, and I have many more, maybe I will make an entire topic about why is so easy to hate consoles, or so...). But nobody can explain the hate to PC in reasonable understanding.

Finally! 2 possible answers, let's see them, shall we?

Nice attempt but What do you say are "assumptions" based on a marketing strategy of Rockstar to sell first in the worst devices (you know, every simultaneous launch consoles have the worst comparative, remember?), so they want to fill their pockets with from the worst, to the best, as in GTA 5 (which now today PC is the best version, with mods that make consoles piss and shit themselves in each comparative, hehe).

And... even in your own assumption, still not a real answer: why are you so resentful with the best device ever invented to videogames.

You know, "art" can have "perspective", you can say "I like those games more than these", ok, but PC is "objectively" better: More powerful (or Less powerful, work in both ways if you don't like top graphics, it can be the best, an equal, or a cheap device, you choose). Freedom of not depends on 1 single branch to all in your life. All genres (consoles are meant only to play games and CAN'T play all genres properly?, seriously?). Backwards compatibility (again, consoles are only meant to play games but can't play all games? seriously?). Future certainty (again, consoles are only to play but can't be sure you will be playing your current titles in your next console). Prices (again, a cheap device which sells the most expensive games?). Free online (you really don't mind to pay monthly just to play online, even knowing PC has a BETTER service and for free?). Development (most console franchises come from PC). Mods, well I simply don't understand how there are people with 1000 hours on GTA or Fallout without a single mod, the worst is that you don't have a reference in consoles so you CAN'T truly understand how much have you been missing in your life, which is... pitiful?

But again, still not answering what I've asked: Why do you need to be constantly hating the best device for videogames. Andeven if you prefer to delude yourself thinking that it is not the best for your games, ok, THINK whatever you want in the lowliness of your "couch" when playing in your console, still repeating it once and again to be convinced, nobody cares, but where it comes that necessity of SAY your unfounded fantasies an urban myths against the PC? Did a PC slept with your mother or something? Where comes all that anger? Just need a reasonable answer. :)

People, absolute no console fan here has answered what I've asked, read this carefully, at least what is in BOLD please:

Focus, and try to answer exactly what I've asked.

Thank you.

It is day and night. You need a SSD (from 240 to 500 GB) to hold the operative system + applications (including games), and an HD (from 1 to 2TB) to hold documents, videos, photos, backups and all kind of storage stuff.

You don't want this on consoles (and many PC games like Divinity Original Sin, Pillars of Eternity, Wasteland 2, etc).

This is not Diablo 3 which was made with the limitations of consoles in mind since scratch (and you have the results). This is the evolution of Diablo 2, even in PC these games are hard to play, with many micro-management, which demand some planning (means more comfortable to get a build planner, or at least a Word or Exel document to take notes), and the most important, a plethora of external sites, the most common is the commerce, like poe.trade where everyone can see your item in a website, with a finder, comparing it with others, sorting by desired stats, etc, but there are also much more external sites needed, to know something so simple to what is the DPS of a weapon (pointing the weapon, ctrl+c, then go to the site, ctrl+v to paste in it, and calculate), to crafting (ej. vorici calculator). Also you will be most of the time selecting from myriad of items on the floor to choose only few per run. Also there are so many keyboard commands to be impossible to translate it to the gamepad in a comfortable way.

But don't believe me, go to the Xbox forum and see the stupidity of their problems, since the complete useless auction house, which can't find items, and with few items, and ultra expensive, to problems in party, or even in something tan simple (but vital in an online game) as chat.

Xbox version was perfect... to bring new players to the real game on PC. :)