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#1 ApolloCloud
Member since 2009 • 25 Posts
[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"] suikoden is ^-^ or lunar SSSCshadow_hosi

I hope you're not talking about Suikoden 1 Pt one is boring as hell. As for Lunar that's a great title especially if you own the new PSP remake.

suikoden is awesome what are you talking about!!!

Suikoden is a JRPG you realise?
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#2 ApolloCloud
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[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="ApolloCloud"]There really isn't. Even the very worst JRPGs beat virtually any other game out there in those three department, with the odd exception every now and then.SparkyProtocol
That is very far from the truth.

Yeah, I'd like him to give examples, especially when WRPGs have the best graphics usually unless we count CGI.

Examples of what? The high end of the distribution? Middle end? Low end? And don't confuse technical graphics with artistic design. WRPGs have in some cases had relatively strong technical graphics, but the artistic design is practically nonexistent. For the most part they attempt to emulate real world imagery in a manner where the imperfections of modern day technology is more glaring. JRPGs on the other hand rely more so on captivating artistic design to draw the player into the game, and create a more engrossing experience. Their music is always absolutely phenomenal and generally fits the mood of the story perfectly, and the story itself is in pretty much every case absolutely incredible, not just in complexity, depth, and scope, but also in its emotive and captivating quality. I don't really consider myself a gamer. I consider myself a fan of great stories. And as highly as I rate certain books and movies and tv shows for their storytelling merits (the likes of The Prestige, Memento, Mulholland Drive, Lost, The Shining, The Dune series etc), not one of them can provide the storytelling experience that a JRPG or Japanese visual novel can, which is why I rate the genre so highy. For the record I have played most Bioware/Obsidian/Interplay/Black Isle games as well as the likes of Deus Ex, System Shock, Bioshock, and not one of them provides anywhere near as good a storytelling experience as any JRPG I've played. They're not even in the same universe.
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#3 ApolloCloud
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Not even close. At this point it would be Resonance of Fate. I predict it will end up being either Golden Sun DS, Arc Rise Fantasia, or Xenoblade, assuming they're released this year.
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#4 ApolloCloud
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Ignoring any confusion between what makes great storytelling, this is simply what you personally find to be the greatest story[/ies] ever told in a video game. Xenogears, Xenosaga Episode I: Der Wille zur Macht, Xenosaga Episode II: Jenseits von Gut und Bose, Xenosaga Episode III: Also sprach Zarathustra, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Radical Dreamers: Nusumenai Hoseki For me personally those are the greatest stories ever told, in any medium, and by a decent margin. Unimaginably deep and complex, phenomenally emotional and captivating, and just generally extremely compelling. Stories being told at their finest. Honourable mentions: Metal Gear Solid 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Suikoden II, Suikoden III, Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy IX, Vagrant Story
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#5 ApolloCloud
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[QUOTE="FFVIIROCKS"]

Valve makes good games, not stories.

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But this isn't about whether games have good stories or not. This is about good storytelling. The two are totally different. Vave may or may not have great stories, but their storytelling is truly excellent. Hence they're noteworthy in this thread.

Not necessarily. Whilst good storytelling can essentially be a measure of the way in which a story is being told, it can also just as easily act as a measure of the story being told. It's an ambiguous term. Storytelling is simply the act of telling a story; you can measure the qaulity of stortelling based around the act (of telling a story, or), or rather the story being told. And I would imagine the second interpretation is the one which fits in accordance with what the TC had in mind when he made this thread (if you look through his posts in this thread he continuously talks about the stories themselves, not the way in which they are presented).
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#6 ApolloCloud
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Metal Gear Solid 4 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Super Paper Mario Valkyria Chronicles Folklore
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#7 ApolloCloud
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Chrono Cross's soundtrack is pretty incredible and perhaps the second greatest there is but even that doesn't come close to Xenogears's.
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#8 ApolloCloud
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There really isn't. Even the very worst JRPGs beat virtually any other game out there in those three department, with the odd exception every now and then.
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#9 ApolloCloud
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Well at least he'll have access to Xenoblade which alone will be worth the entire future exclusive libraries of either the PS3 or 360.
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#10 ApolloCloud
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Metal Gear Solid 2 tells one of the finest stories you can find in any medium. Absurdly complex, extremely deep, and very emotional, all together amounting to an extremely engaging story. It's a bit too complex for some but objectively speaking its just a very advanced form of storytelling.
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