Either way the wii has all the capabilities of the next gen systems just lacking the High def textures and resolutions.alecsuba

Hahaha, please. Play Gears on a standard def TV in 480i - the Wii can't and will never be able to do anything that even approaches that quality.

Prove me wrong.

Black looks seriously amazing, and its particle effects and physics are top-notch, easily matching similar games that have come out for the 360 and PS3. If the PS2 can do that, then the Wii is capable of even better effects.

FEAR's performance guide is hard proof that you don't need a modern CPU to get great AI.

And finally, what "expansive game worlds" have we seen from the so-called next gen?

mjarantilla

You can't "prove" opinion wrong, that's the funny part about System Wars. Maybe that's why it gets so many posts... so many fools trying to disprove what can't be disproven. I have a task for you, prove to me that vanilla ice cream tastes better than chocolate ice cream.

As for the second part of your post - Oblivion.

Even playing the new Halo 3 Beta is a glimpse how how much more open these "next gen" games will be on the PS3/360. Everything is more open, expansive (and *gasp* you an actually see things that are more than 15 feet in front of you, otherwise a huge world is just a single-colored endless horizon.)

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]Wario-Ware: Smooth Moves, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Wii Sports.mjarantilla

MP is the only game I'm even remotely interested in.

I can't stand silly mini and party games. I those games are your flavor, more power to you man. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder man.... and WarioWare, WiiSports, Trauma Center, etc.... those games are great for 15 minute spurts with a few buddies a 12 pack, but so is ping pong, cards, and any number of silly throw away games.

I just can't stand them. Give me Gears, Devil May Cry, Bioshock, Halo, MGS, etc.over them any day.

On the Wii? No.

I played it on my nephew's DS. It's just not my type of game.

Like I said, give me any of those types of games I listed over that type of game any day of the week. I understand that there are types of people that prefer those types of games, I'm not one of them. If you are, have fun with your Wii man.

I'm glad it exists - it generates lots of money for the industry.... but from what i've seen so far it's justnot for me.

[quote="Bill_McBlumpkin"]You can act like graphics alone are the only thing that separates the PS3 and 360 from its last gen ancestors, but that's not true at all. Complex andadvanced physics, crazy AI, huge/expansive/open game worlds, seamless and engaging online play, and brand new experiences are what they bring to the table. The Wii on the other hand- GameCube redux with motion control (and the truth is there hasn't been a single game released yet that has proven the Wii controls to be superior to dual analog, in fact on one of the Wii's most anticipated upcoming games - SSBB - it won't be used by serious players at all.)mjarantilla

Woohoo! You mentioned physics, AI, and game worlds!

Ok, the trifecta. Let's take this one at a time.

Firstly, physics. Physics, not important. Yes, I know that your hardcore gamer head is bound to explode from this revelation, but it's true. Physics, as they are used right now, are unimportant in gaming. The only games which utilize truely complex physics to any serious degree only use them for one-shots, like Half-Life 2, which uses physics only for highly contrived puzzles. And by the way, the last generation was capable of some very impressive physics effects. Watch a gameplay video of Black for an example. For physics to really be considered "next generation" and for it to play a part in gameplay, it needs to undergo a serious revolution, and unfortunately, the PS3 and 360 do not deliver that revolution. The NEXT next gen, however, should see that kind of advancement in physics.

Second, AI. FEAR has the best AI of this generation, but guess what? FEAR's AI can run perfectly well on a six-year-old 1.4GHz Athlon CPU (just look at GameSpot's FEAR hardware performance guide). What does that say about how demanding AI algorithms are? And given the greater pound-for-pound performance that can be squeezed out of a console CPU, I'd say the Wii's CPU can handle it.

Finally, expansive game worlds. Can you name any game world more open and more expansive than Shadow of the Colossus? How about Halo 2's grand vistas? Or what about Twilight Princess, which is 100% seamless from end-to-end? The fact of the matter is that when it comes to "huge game worlds," there is less need for the machine to render detail at long distances, which means even last gen machines can produce massive game worlds with little compromise.

In terms of graphics, the only things that the 360 and PS3 add are details. But after a while, the details start to blur out, and people start paying more attention to the broader strokes, and the Wii is fully capable of rendering those "broader strokes."

You're delusional, offically.

Wario-Ware: Smooth Moves, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Wii Sports.Tylendal

MP is the only game I'm even remotely interested in (and don't get me wrong, I love Prime and can't wait to play it... but it's clear that those types of games are no longer Nintendo's focus.)

I can't stand silly mini and party games. If those games are your flavor, more power to you man. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all.... and WarioWare, WiiSports, Trauma Center, etc.... those games are great for 15 minute spurts with a few buddies a 12 pack, but so is ping pong, cards, and any number of silly throw away games. I'd rather drink my own vomit than raise a sillyvirtual chihuahua in Nintendogs.

I just can't stand them. Give me Gears, Devil May Cry, Bioshock, Halo, MGS, etc.over them any day.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Many of those "last generation" games I mentioned are still better than ANY game you can name on the Xbox 360 or PS3 at the moment, and the Wii versions will be even better. mjarantilla

You don't get me - YOU'VE ALREADY PLAYED THOSE GAMES.

Of course they're great, but I've been there, I've done that.

I loved RE4, but if I had to choose between the new FF, Devil May Cry, MGS, Halo 3, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Gears, Oblivion, or the SAME RE4 (or any other game you listed) I played years ago with tacked on silly wavy wand controls.... well, it's not much of a choice in my mind.

RE4 is only one of the games I mentioned. Twilight Princess is brand new, as is Madden NFL 07, and Metroid Prime Corruption and Manhunt 2 haven't even come out yet. Maybe you can point out to me the other so-called "last gen" ports that others have already played, because I only see RE4, and that's a game which reviewers said is so much better on the Wii that even owners of the GCN and PS2 versions are advised to buy it.

Twilight Princess I liked better on the Gamecube. I played it on the Wii... I liked hookshotting and using the bow better on the Wii, but the GC's camera control sealed the deal for me - I view that as necessary.

All games on the Wii will basically be GC games with wavy wand controls, and if you can accept that, it's fine.

You can act like graphics alone are the only thing that separates the PS3 and 360 from its last gen ancestors, but that's not true at all. Complex andadvanced physics, crazy AI, huge/expansive/open game worlds, seamless and engaging online play, and brand new experiences are what they bring to the table. The Wii on the other hand- GameCube redux with motion control (and the truth is there hasn't been a single game released yet that has proven the Wii controls to be superior to dual analog, in fact on one of the Wii's most anticipated upcoming games - SSBB - it won't be used by serious players at all.)

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="MaTT2011"]Superior if you care about graphics only.MaTT2011

Yeah... or if you care about new, quality games (because the Wii might have the sales but the library... sucks.)

But if you like endless party and mini games, hey - the Wii is for you.

You lose.

You knew the rules, you knew the limits.....mahalo

Hahaha, what?

Superior if you care about graphics only.MaTT2011

Yeah... or if you care about new, quality games (because the Wii might have the sales but the library... sucks.)

But if you like endless party and mini games, hey - the Wii is for you.

Many of those "last generation" games I mentioned are still better than ANY game you can name on the Xbox 360 or PS3 at the moment, and the Wii versions will be even better. mjarantilla

You don't get me - YOU'VE ALREADY PLAYED THOSE GAMES.

Of course they're great, but I've been there, I've done that.

I loved RE4, but if I had to choose between the new FF, Devil May Cry, MGS, Halo 3, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Gears, Oblivion, or the SAME RE4 (or any other game you listed) I played years ago with tacked on silly wavy wand controls.... well, it's not much of a choice in my mind.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

We can agree that in terms of technology it's not a next gen console, but in terms of symbolism, design, concept, and gameplay, it is even more next-gen than the Xbox 360 and PS3.mjarantilla

What?!?!?

What game on the Wii has Gameplay that "screams" Next Gen? In terms of critical success and library quality the Wii can't even begin to compare to the 360.... and often it's control is knocked by reviewers. Its best games are Gamecube castaways.... and I even preferred TP on theGC because the camera control made it much easier to navigate and look around easily.

And "design and concept?" Why, because it's small, cute, and popular?

Please.

Oh please. Only in mediocre games have the controls been criticized, and those games would've been bad on the 360 and PS3 anyway. The Wii's demonstrated superior controls for almost every genre.

Action/adventure? GameSpot's review of the GCN version of TP admits that the Wii version has better controls, and IGN claims that Manhunt 2 on the Wii will change everyone's mind and remove any doubts about the controls.

Third-person shooter? RE4 just got a 38/40 in Japan, with reviewers saying that even buyers of the PS2 and GCN versions would find it a new experience BECAUSE of the controls.

First person shooter? When reviewers tried out the last demo of Metroid Prime over six months ago, they said the controls were spot-on perfect and were at least as precise and responsive as the best PC shooters.

Sports games? Madden NFL 07 for the Wii was nominated for best sports game of the year, while the standard versions were universally ignored as mediocre.

Great, so you're happy with last generation ports with wavy wand controls? Great, the Wii is for you then.

Metroid and Mario will be great, but all other third party games (which will pretty much constitute the entire library after those games are released... unless you really dig raising labradors in Nintendogs) will continue what they've been for the past several months on the system -last generation games with new haircuts and wavy wand facelifts. "Hey, even though I played this game 6 years ago I can now wiggle the characters leg when I wiggle my wrists... and it's on the Wii, it has to be good!"

As for me, I'll stick with what the 360 and the PS3 have to offer. New games.