Are you sitting here trying to tell me that the PS2 was stronger than the Cube? Is that what you are insinuating here? The Xbox was stronger than the Cube (barely in practical game use) but to say it was not graphically competitive is such none sense. Look at the games, RE4, Twilight Princess, Rogue Squadren, Star Fox, Metroid Prime 2, Windwaker etc etc. It was competitive and the Cube was graphically superior over the PS2 without question. The fact that people don't know this is baffling.

N64 vs PS1 had more issue. Textures due to storage were what hurt most 64 games. That said, owning a PSX you're overating the graphical capabilities. The games were inferior to N64 games by a margin. They weren't blurry but they were low poly low complexity messes for the most part wiith prerendered everything to make up for a significant lack of power. Something like Majora's mask just crapped all over most PSX games.

As for your edit. Your experience is not reality. If you wanna argue N64/PSX go for it. If you want to sit here and tell me the PS2 was more graphically capable than the Cube you are out of your mind. The WiiU will not be graphically competitve, anyone who thinks it will are completely wrong. However Nintendo did not compete graphically for 1 gen, not 3. FACT.

ActicEdge

No.

Neither the N64 or PSX holds up particularly well today. The more cartoonish art styles worked fine with the pastelled texturing (which I think was due to smaller pixels being stretched out over larger areas? I may be wrong) but if we're comparing the two side by side, I can't give the benefit of the doubt to the N64 despite higher CPU. It's releases look ugly and I find it an eyesore to play on that system.

As for the Xbox/Gamecube gen, I still believe the Gamecube lost in graphic terms although I was overzealous in my initial post.

Disappointing to hear. The immature, blood thirsty -ADD addicted douche bro, and drone like 360 gamers of this generation won't be able to appreciate their games. Journey WORKED because it was on the PS3. The PS3 has a far more mature and appreciative audience of gamers, so their games were CATERED to the PS3's unique and mature audience. ThatGameCompany built their name on the PS3, and built their fanbase on the PS3. Do you really think the M$ douche bro Halo/Gears/Call of Duty 360 gamers will be able to appreciate their kind of games, that were catered towards the PS3's audience? And look, I know every body wants to go multi platform! Make big money! Yeah! But some times, its better to stick with your fans that got you to where you are at in the first place. It doesnt always work out when you abandone your fans, the fans that appreciated what you did, TO GO for another group of fans or more fans who might not even like what you are doing. So now that new group of fans cant appreciate your work like the last fans could. And because you alienated the first group of fans, now they too want nothing to do with you anymore. In the end, you end up pissing off everybody. You CANT PLEASE everybody. Some times its best to STICK to your audience, even if that audience is only one platform. Ask.yourselves this question. ThatGameCompany, Would you rather have success on one platform. Or FAIL trying to deliver an experience for two different platforms with two completely different audiences? The PS3 audience is more mature, appreciative, and accepting of your unique games. I wonder if M$ paid cash under the tabel to ThatGameCompany to "influence" this.decision. OR if ThatGameCompany really is that stupid and money hungry l the xbots that were blindly hating on Journey or now going to be saying how their next game is the best game ever. Watch the turn around. Xbots are hypocritehardmicro

The all-time best selling PS3 game in North America is Modern Warfare 3.

won't be missed won't be asked about it went multiplat not exclusive to someone elseebrezzy1

That's the way I see it, too. People with PS3s who want the game are going to continue buying their titles on the PS3. The only story here is that people purchasing off XBLA will have something new to look forward too which is an amazing title in Journey. Win-win.

Are you kidding me? The average N64 games were better looking than the average PS1 games. Even then, the N64 was blatantly able to complete with PS1 graphically and in game complexity. Its not even up for debate.

Now the gamecube vs Xbox (the fact that you are ignoring the major competitor that gen the PS2 is already telling) is the same thing as the PS1/N64 if not even with a smaller gap.The GPU and CPU in the Cube were absolutely competitive with what was on the Xbox. It was not the strongest butit had games that were more than comparable and in some cases arguably better (like RE4) than the Xbox. Its not up for debate. The idea that for 3 gens nintendo didn't compete graphically instead of 1 is hogwash. Its utterly wrong plain and simple.

The WiiU is not going to be graphically capable vs the next MS and Sony systems. That's fact. That said, you're in delusion if you think the N64 and the fuccking Gamecube were not graphically competitive,

ActicEdge

I don't find your first part true. When I compare PSX graphics with those on the N64 what immediately stands out are the reduced texture levels. Poor texture storage just make most N64 games look blurry to me, like they were coloured in with pastels.

The GPU, storage, and memory speed were outclassed by the Xbox. The CPU was outmatched by the PS2. I just have a hard time seeing where the Gamecube had any graphical superiority over the other two consoles.

We can each thrown out counter-examples all day. At the end of the day, in my experience Nintendo has had the least graphically capable games of the last 3 generations. I want those claiming that the WiiU is going to blow everyone else out of the water to tell me why they believe so (I have seen posters out there).

P.S i dont get why people care what nitnendo is doing, if you dont like it dont buy there systems bashing it every hour of the day is getting annoying. continue to buy MS and Sony products....its not that seriousMario1331

I'm not meaning any disrespect to the company. I've loved Nintendo for years and their consoles were my primary system until this one when third-party support completely dried up. I don't gain any self-gratification from attacking any particular brand on a message board.

Are you shiiting us? The N64 was a crap ton stronger then the PSX. A crap ton, the N64 was crippled in game size due to cartridges but in specs? :lol:

The difference between the Gamecube and the Xbox was not very big. The Xbox was superior but left in the dust?:lol: Resident Evil 4, Rogue Squadren, Twilight Princess, Star Fox, Crystal Chronicles were easily comparable to any Xbox game. Now someone bust out the over resed bs shots of SC: CT, Conker and Doom 3.

ActicEdge

But system power means nothing if you're using an impotent medium like the cartridges. Most N64 titles lacked the capability of pre-rendered texturing, Conker's Bad Fur Day is an often brough up example of a decent looking N64 game of the time but that's a statistical outlier rather than a mean.

Left in the dust was the wrong choice of words of words but it doesn't change the uncompetitive GPU and slower processing speed. I'm wanting to know why people are so insistent that the Wii U is going to be some messianic step towards graphical superiority for Nintendo? We haven't seen it able to compete in the last three generations, with a smaller development cycle I want to know why people think that now is the time.

how do we know ps4 and 720 is going to be that much stronger? its going t be stonger but i really think it won be by muchMario1331

How come? The N64 was far behind the PSX in every single area of technical capability and the GameCube was left in the dust by the Xbox? This generation has been an absolute mess for Nintendo in the hardware arena and the support of third-parties has suffered because of it. The only reason that Nintendo survived is because they caught the casual market early, an unstable market. Why will next generation be any different when both Sony and Microsoft are getting much longer research and development cycles, which by all indicators are going to be up to two years.

Wasn't Journey like 2 hours and $15? Flow and Flower are both garbage rip off games as well. I'm all for games being artsy, but I could just get stoned and stare at wallpaper to get the same experience and save 15 dollars in the process.Fossil-

Journey was pretty amazing in my opinion. One of the best gaming experiences this gen, worth the money, and one of the few games that truly gave me them feels.

I doubt Sony really pushed too hard. I'm skeptical of the amount of revenue thatgamecompany's three titles actually pulled in. I know that nearly everyone claims to own fl0w but don't forget it was marketed as a free title for a weekend.

The Engadget article seems to be moreso speculation and an overeagerness to jump to conclusions based on said speculation. IBM's release has only said the WiiU is getting a "power-based" adaptor with no such mention of Watson if I remember correctly. I'm excited but we don't properly know what the console is going to be capable of until we start getting more official information.