[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]I give you an atomic bomb in one hand and a spear with a piece of sharp rock in the other. Are these equivalent? Would it bother you if EVERYONE IN THE WORLD had access to the spear but only a small handful of very carefully chosen people had the atomic bomb access?Baconbits2004

Yo, I need that atomic bomb for rabbit hunting.

Why not ban handguns instead of some semi-automatic rifle there nocoolnamejim? WhiteKnight77

Your credibility was lost when you said an Amendment is technically not part of the Constitution. You need to learn what Amendments are before telling me I have no credibility.

We are talking about gun crime in the US and now you say that other nation's are all of a sudden relevant.

Surely, you're joking with all of this?

Wasdie

[QUOTE="ChiliDragon"] I notice that you have conveniently left out link to statistics that show that countries that have much stricter gun control have drastically lower gun crime rates. How interesting.Wasdie

I never talked about that. I was just talking about American gun crime statistics. I gave you what you asked for. Now you're asking for more and using that as an arguing point against me. Never once did I talk about countries outside of the US. Never once.

When you say that, what do you mean? Laws cannot be made that infringe on rights guaranteed in the Constitution.Wasdie

Here's the FBI link for firearm related deaths from 2007 to 2011.It was even higher in 1994, but then they really clamped down on gang crime on the west coast and for a good 5 years it just plummeted. In 2004 the gun crime rate went up just a tiny bit but has been falling ever since. I believe 2012 is the first year in 20 years we've actually seen an increase in overall violent crimes.Wasdie

First off I did not ignore your point. You said you wouldn't mind throwing out the 2nd amendment because it's outdated. That happens to also contain the very rights to bear arms. You didn't mention at all that you wanted to keep those rights. Sorry for not understanding you.Wasdie

It's also their right as an American citizen to own one.Wasdie

Some people like exercising their rights for the sake of exercising their rights. If you don't agree with any of them that's fine, but owning those kind of rifles has a purposeWasdie

Even worse is how unbanning them had no effect on guncrime. So I don't really see the point of rebanning them if guncrime was still dropping post 2004 and mass shootings were happening during the ban.Wasdie

So you're basically saying because you believe that Amendment is outdated, it is not useful in defending why I believe we should be able to own guns?Wasdie

Now you're insulting my intelligence into this because you've warped the debate into a need vs. want.Wasdie

You could have the courtesy of not passively calling me an idiot. I don't like your opinion, but I'm not insulting you here. You're also saying the laws that govern our land no longer apply to society, to that I have no real response.Wasdie

What about the second part of that Amendment? I love how people are so willing to throw their rights away because they find them outdated. Wasdie

I'll ask you this, do you think we should throw out the 2nd Amendment because it has no meaning today?Wasdie

But I digress, we could go back and forth on this one all dya all day.Really it boils down to trying to ban the gun that causes less than 5% of all gun crime in this nation. since 99.9% of assault weapon owners are law abiding citizens, why should we punish them?Wasdie