[QUOTE="Grive"] [QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Actually, nades are used as an integral part of almost any competitive gaming repitoire. The noteriety my clan has received from using nades in matches is great. Everyone in the COD community knows of Area 51's set nades. You can take out entire teams using nades in almost any game. It just requires mathmatics and timing. As far as melee is concerned, almost every single PC FPS has a melee weapon. Especially games like Quake. All Halo is is if you took Tribes and smashed it upside its head until it was really slow.Vandalvideo
You just skipped the point completely.
1.- The point was that grenades in Halo became a part of the gunplay, instead of another weapon. Grenades have always been useful, but they never were an integral part of most one-on-one confrontations. They were a possible and valid option. There is a marked difference.
2.- Every shooter has a melee weapon. Before Halo, how many had melee in all the weapons? It changes the melee dynamics completely, making them part of the strategy for the match, instead of the last resource of a person with poor ammo management.
I find the Tribes comment especially funny. They're not alike at all. Yes, they have vehicles and sprawling levels. The focus, gameplay, dynamics and pacing are completely different.
I'm guessing Rainbox Six is the same thing as Half Life, both involve closed spaces and guns...
"Part of gunplay" and "different weapons" are technically the exact same thing. Nades in PC shooters have always been an integral part of gunplay. They allow for quick disposal of enemies through the use of mathmatical calculation and set nades. Its not like Halo did anything new with grenades. They merely gave you more grenades to chose from, which didn't add anything that already hadn't been added. I also find the point about melee to be extremely irrelevant. PC FPS games HAVE melee, its not like Halo invented it. To what extent it was used doesn't matter in the least. You can use melee in other shooters the same as its used in halo. If you run out of ammo. Its merely how you look at it. yeah but its like a ninja or something with their swords, pc FPS main weapon was always the actual gun cus of the accuracy and how lethal it is with kb/m. in halo they almost make nades as important as the guns and melee as well, you almost have to use the nades to remove shields in many cases instead of pure shooting skill, same with melee gunbuts. theres not much skill in walking up to someone and hitting them point blank in the face, or throwing a sticky nade on the, at point blank range 
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