[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="CKYguy25"]

i believe guns should only be allowed in the hands of law enforcement

CKYguy25

When seconds count, the police are minutes away.

they can do much better than the random people out there

According to who? Based on what? People who don't carry guns? I've been told by police officers themselves that they work with some officers that only go to a shooting range once a year and even less. The empire state building shooting that occured a couple months ago shows how inept police can be when it comes to handling firearms.

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="bloodling"]

I was trying to focus on two points, which is that weapons that are deemed too powerful should be banned, and people who have severe mental problems shouldn't be allowed to own guns (though I haven't talked much about that part). We can't go into a killer's mind and change his intentions. There's no miracle solution, but there are things that can be done. Maybe you don't think that those measures will be very effective, and that's debatable.

bloodling

Indeed. Of course, I'm not trying to say that only automatic weapons should be looked at, but what I personally dislike isn't a weapon that can shoot exceptionally well, but rather a weapon that can shoot down a big amount of people very quickly. That was one of my first posts in this thread.

What do you see as a better approach to stopping gun crime. Outlawing guns, or improving our mental health system.? Which one by itself could you see potentially lowering gun crime more?

[QUOTE="DJ419"]

bloodling

Why are you asking me? You tell me.

Your criteria seems awfully specific. As if you have singled out automatic weapons as the prime culprit in these crimes. I am telling you that automatic weapons represent the smallest fraction of gun deaths. Automatic weapons have the strictest guidelines for ownership, and will cost you around the same as a brand new car.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="bloodling"]

I'm talking about the automatic assault rifles... I do not know them well, nor did I claim I did. I'm just giving you my opinion for what it's worth. There are steps to be taken before getting to the "nothing" part, and I just don't think that the "all" part is working very well right now. There's no miracle situation, but we must try to help it.

bloodling

That's up to him. Hopefully he gives a few warning shots before shooting someone. Again, I'm talking about the very best automatic weapons, not all "assault rifles".

That is a Bushmaster AR-15. It has been the best selling combat style rifle in the U.S. for the past decade. Do you consider this an automatic assault rifle?

[QUOTE="thegerg"]So it's OK for companies to own these weapons, but not citizens? Why is that? Why do you feel it is safer to allow only companies, rather than real people, to own these weapons? Anyway, simply because one doesn't personally own the weapon in their possession doesn't mean they can't kill with it.bloodling

Well it would have to be regulated and they would carry only a very limited amount... Anyway I just think that those weapons are just ridiculously strong and that nobody needs such a weapon, of course people want the best gun because they can buy it, and if there was a better one they'd want that one, that's why there needs to me more gun control. These guns shouldn't be available so easily. They're just too dangerous. That's just my opinion.

I really don't know what you are baseing these arguments on. We've established that you dont like "assault rifles" even though you can't give an accurate description of one. Even in the broadest sense of the term assault rifle. All gun crimes in total that invole a high powered rifle don't even amount to %5 of gun crimes. Assuming that gun control in the U.S. even has an affect on lessening gun crime. An assault weapons ban would only affect less than %5 of all gun crimes. If you believe in gun control, it's all or nothing. The evil black baby killing AR-15 doesn't even amount to %1 of violent crimes.

By the way, guns are only dangerous in irresponible hands. There is nothing else to it.

[QUOTE="DJ419"]

So what else should we get rid of that isn't needed that kills people? Cigarettes should be at the top of that list, it's such a disgusting habit with virtually no real benefits to the user. I have a right to clean air don't I? Lets ban them!

Swimming pools killed thousands of children last year. Surely there are far better ways to have fun and exercise. Lets ban swimming pools!

Years ago my neighbor died from falling off his step ladder hanging christmas lights. I have an idea, lets ban ladders altogether, and only allow people with licenses to use them like construction workers. Think of all the jobs that would be creatted and the lives that would be saved!

You know there is a huge heroin epidemic in this country. I saw a documentary on it just the other day. Heroin kills thousands of people every year. It destroys families, lets ban heroin too! Oh wait..........................

You can pretend to live in your Disney inspried fantasy land and ignore facts all you want. But, we don't live in that world.

bloodling

As I said, there is no reason for anyone to own such a weapon. I do not want to ban anything else but automatic weapons. Everything you mentionned has a purpose, automatic rifles don't.

None of the weapons the shooter used yesterday were automatic. Nor were the aurora shooters, nor were columbine's, nor was Virginia Techs. You don't even know what your talking about. You seem to have an irrational fear of black rifles.

This is no more or less dangerous than this.

[QUOTE="DJ419"]

When someone is charged with a crime. It isn't the suspects job to prove themself innocent. It's the state's job to prove that the suspect is guilty.

Saying you don't need it isn't a reason to ban something.

bloodling

No... but the fact that you can kill tens of people with it is a good enough reason for me, especially if such a weapon is not needed for any reason whatsoever other than trying it in the shooting range.

So what else should we get rid of that isn't needed that kills people? Cigarettes should be at the top of that list, it's such a disgusting habit with virtually no real benefits to the user. I have a right to clean air don't I? Lets ban them!

Swimming pools killed thousands of children last year. Surely there are far better ways to have fun and exercise. Lets ban swimming pools!

Years ago my neighbor died from falling off his step ladder hanging christmas lights. I have an idea, lets ban ladders altogether, and only allow people with licenses to use them like construction workers. Think of all the jobs that would be creatted and the lives that would be saved!

You know there is a huge heroin epidemic in this country. I saw a documentary on it just the other day. Heroin kills thousands of people every year. It destroys families, lets ban heroin too! Oh wait..........................

You can pretend to live in your Disney inspried fantasy land and ignore facts all you want. But, we don't live in that world.

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="Postal_Guy"]

The US doesnt need to ban all guns. However there is NO reason for anyone to own an assault rifle

bloodling

If you post something like that, you could at least explain your reasoning. One sentence post... What a terrible way to get your opinion through.

When someone is charged with a crime. It isn't the suspects job to prove themself innocent. It's the state's job to prove that the suspect is guilty.

Saying you don't need it isn't a reason to ban something.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="Postal_Guy"]

The US doesnt need to ban all guns. However there is NO reason for anyone to own an assault rifle

Yusuke420

What's your definition of "assault rifle"?

Coonfirmed for not knowing what semi automatic means. Doesn't surprise me in slightest when the media throws around the word semi automatic the same way Sarah Palin throws around the word liberal.

All firearms excluding revolvers and muskets can be described as semi automatic.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]The gun laws in the US are working well as usual I see.SolidSnake35

As I have just found out, the killer didn't purchase the weapons he used to kill these people. So the gun laws had nothing to do with it.

Connecticut has some of the most strict gun control laws in the entire United States. I'm not really sure how you've come to the conclusion that all Americans live in a society where guns are worshipped. I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume you've based that on nothing. Mental illness is not caused by gun friendly societies. Also, your deflection skills could use a little work.