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#1 DSJR4
Member since 2009 • 35 Posts
[QUOTE="auron_16"][QUOTE="mo0ksi"]At age 16 she should have been aware of the potential consequences before she acted. At the end, the law is the law.Memberino
/thread. that's all there is to it.

Yes, in her desperation she should have gone to the library and opened up some volumes on juvenile criminal law before killing the man who she couldn't escape from and who was ruining her life. Where the heck is the compassion in here? Why are so many of you so darned desensitised to human suffering and real human actions? It makes me sick.

Thank you for that, It saves me the time. Obviously a 16 year old girl who was brought up to be a prostitute will not think "I'm going to find out what will happen". They are just trying to get out of the situation. They are in the mental state of "I need to get rid of this guy because I am better than this". She was an over achiever in school, why wouldn't she have a right to think that she deserves better?
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#2 DSJR4
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Murder is murder to me. maheo30
Murder is murder, but circumstances are everything.
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#3 DSJR4
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Like I said before I believe the 13 years she served before was enough. They are acting as if she is a cold blooded serial killer. She did what she had to do to get away from him. It is not like she did not serve any time at all. 13 years is a long time when you think about everything together.GrandJury
That's what I said on the petition. I said the MOST she should have gotten was 15, with a hearing to see if she has changed or if she has become worse while sitting in that cell. In her case, I think she has bettered herself the most a person can while incarcerated.
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#4 DSJR4
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You know when you were a kid and you retaliated by hitting the other kid, even though the other kid probably deserved it, the teacher's would say "You should have just told me about it and you wouldn't be in trouble." Well, this is basically a grown up version of that. Z0MBIES
This is NO WHERE NEAR that at all. There's rape involved, murder and prison. She didn't get the life sentence for punching someone after they punched her. Also, this is a much bigger deal to tell someone. Children suffering from abuse in most cases are afraid to say something. They can't just go up to someone and say "Hey, this guy has been raping and molesting me for 3 years now". It's a much bigger deal.
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#5 DSJR4
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The court system is as is. You are assuming much here. Her defense has to put on the best defense they can. Whether government or free. Again if mitigating circumstances are found they would have found her guilty of a lesser charge. There are generally several charges for the jury to consider. That they convicted on first degree means there is much about this story we are not being given. Inasmuch as that...if mitigating circumstances were sustainable the prosecution would not have asked for a first degree conviction.

If the prosecution thought they had a slam dunk case than none of what we are now reading is verifible. And thus the abuse is not to be taken as truthful.

I haven't passed judgment on the girl....I haven't all the evidence. But from the evidence we do have...her story doesn't add up. You are assuming what her friends and family say as gospel. I'm saying there is more to the story.

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If there is more to the story then I would like to see it. In all of the articles I have read, I have not seen one that has anything other than what is said in this one.
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#6 DSJR4
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[QUOTE="GettingTired"] And again here is where we fundamentally disagree. I don't believe all murder is the same. I believe circumstance is a big factor. Would you really consider, say someone who murdered their daughters rapist just as heinous as a the rapist, or say a serial killer who randomly murders people to satisfy a lust? I don't see how they are equal cases. Let's take this as an example. Let's say I came up to you, and start flicking you in the face non-stop. I was following you around everyone, and being a complete nuisance. And in turn, you punch me. Now let's say I am randomly strolling down the sidewalk, and I see someone, and I feel like hitting someone so I punch them. Are we both just as bad? I would nay, but maybe you would say we are. And for your second point, I disagree. How our country is run and the governing laws are dictated by the people. That's why we live in a democracy. Sure it doesn't work that way today, but ideally it would. So the large majority in the country disagreed with a policy, should it remain enacted and everyone who disagrees leave? After all we pay taxes and essentially fund the system. It is our system, and our country. We should have the right to call for change. And yes, there other other actions she SHOULD have used, but point being in her mental state it's hard to say we would have done as we should have.

I also agree with you on this matter. In my opinion, circumstances are a huge factor. I'm not going to give any examples because you already have.
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#7 DSJR4
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Now for those of you who think this sentence is appropriate, Let me show you a different story about who deserved life without parole and didn't get it. News Story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b7cjgIllFU&feature=related Video Story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSC9t8Pxo3Y
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#8 DSJR4
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[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

To get life without parole the murder must have been incredibly brutal, is there a serious reason why she didn't just go to the police and have the pimp face the legal system? She chose to brutally murder someone, instead of going to the police, and she'll have to face the consiquences of her actions/choices.

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She was a prostitute. Is there a way she can go to the police and say "arrest my pimp" without basically pleading guilty herself?

Also another point that had slipped my mind while writing my reply. Thank you. =]
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#9 DSJR4
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To get life without parole the murder must have been incredibly brutal, is there a serious reason why she didn't just go to the police and have the pimp face the legal system? She chose to brutally murder someone, instead of going to the police, and she'll have to face the consiquences of her actions/choices.

Andrew_Xavier
You don't know the way pimps work. (This is probably where the premeditated part comes into play) Now lets say she goes to the police and tells them about what goes on, and for some reason he doesn't serve that much jail time. He gets out of jail, finds her and beats her even worse than what he would if she didn't give up the money, which is until she can't move or until shes dead. Now put yourself in her shoes, who do you think she wants to die? Him obviously, so she skips a step and just kills the bastard herself.
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#10 DSJR4
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Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't they find she had premeditated the murder? When it's premeditated be prepared to face such a consequence, regardless of your motives. Obviously, I don't know the entire story here, but just from what I've seen I do think it's unusual she at 16 years old wasn't eligible for parole. theharlemshake
Well it also depends on what kind of premeditated you are speaking of. They could have just said that because she was being pimped for 3 years until this happened. In any situation of abuse or things of that nature, you are naturally going to have thoughts in your head of anger and rage and want to do something about it. It just so happened that she held it in for 3 years before she finally snapped.
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