@Damedius said:
Did we just go through a time warp here?
How did Daria's citation appear on the article Pam used when the Washington Post only used her because Pam quoted the article? Is this some kind of articleception?
They explain it better,
But hers is a wildly misleading presentation of what happened.
Shokin was under fire from a number of international organizations and leaders at the time that Biden leveraged U.S. aid to call for his firing. He was seen by the administration of Barack Obama and others as problematic for his failure to vigorously investigate corruption.
In fact, in the sameJuly 22 Post article Bondi cited, a representative of a Ukrainian anti-corruption organization pointed to Shokin’s failure to prosecute Burisma as evidence of his ineffectuality.
“Shokin was not investigating. He didn’t want to investigate Burisma,” Daria Kaleniuk of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center told The Post. “And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation.
Notice that the quotes she isolated from that article were The Post quoting Shokin. It was Shokin who told The Post that he got fired because he was focused on Burisma, a perfect example of an unreliable narrator.
There is quite a bit more fact checking sources that confirm why Shokin was fired, other than Daria. Like....a lot more. Do you want tons of links?
@Damedius said:
Then you have an article quoted saying Biden did not say he made a threat when he himself clearly says in a video that he did threaten to withhold loan guarantees unless Shokin was removed.
That's Biden being Biden. I can't speak for his constant gaffs contradicting prior statements. It's not exactly implicating him in any of this fake conspiracy nonsense, that's for sure.
@Damedius said:
Last you state that "you and me both know that much of the western world wanted Shokin removed". I would say most of the western world didn't even know who Shokin was unless they had some involvement with the Ukraine.
On top of that, why does it matter what much of the western world wanted, doesn't the Ukraine have the right to choose what to do, without threats from Americans?
From the way Biden tells the story they were reluctant to remove Shokin until they were threatened.
Sorry. There are simply far too many fact checks on this that go well beyond my 1/27/2020 stories. Like that Factcheck.org quote I just linked was pretty substantial and well sourced. We know why Shokin was removed. We know the Joe Biden thing is a debunked conspiracy theory. That's just the facts.
Oh and a lot of these allegations were originated by an actual Fake News opinion columnist,
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2019/nov/19/who-john-solomon-heres-what-we-know-about-journali/
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