@Damedius: you clear don't get it.

It's a fact that manafort talked and traded date with a Russian spy.

It's fact that his lawyers goof and made that public.

And it is a fact that doing that while running an election is illegal because it's conspiracy.

Sorry but is not just an a opinion but a factual one. If one of the most pro trump network and it's pro trump legal expert who is a judge says that it's proof of collusion than it stops being a opinion . It's a fact.

Again, technicality of law.

How do you believe investigations are started? Intuition, suspicion, and gut feelings based on observation and circumstance. There are many people behind bars due to nothing but something that began as feelings. The proceeding of legal inquiry and evidence accrued in substantiating what granted it impetus is initially based on the unsubstantiated, but not the unreasonable. Legal proceedings at this point are a pure formality, yet you and your ilk act like there's no reason at all to hold suspicion when you see people all around Trump dropping like flies not to mention his past actions that paint a character prone to corruption. You not only defend him on legal premise, you genuinely believe there's no cause for the pursuit of him in the first place.

So go ahead, hide behind legal standards. Again, any person in the world existing in reality and not blinded by and beholden to ideological and partisan conviction (not to mention alternative facts) can recognize the rotten before its stench is proven to exist.

@Damedius: dude this literal is a topic about Manafort's idiot lawyers accidently giving out info proving collusion with Russia.

And on that point.

Add on that.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-legal-analyst-says-150653763.html

Fox News Anchor, Legal Analyst See Evidence of ‘Collusion’ Between Trump Campaign and Russia

"This shows that Bob Mueller can demonstrate to a court without the testimony of Paul Manafort that the campaign had a connection to Russian intelligence and the connection involved information going from the campaign to the Russians,” Napolitano said. “The question is, was this in return for a promise of something from the Russians, and did the candidate, now the president, know about it?”

From a legal expert on fox news

Of course Trump knew about it.

It amazes me that everyone around him are dropping like flies, making deals, being found guilty, singing like canaries, yet his followers still believe he is completely absolved of any wrongdoing. You mine as well try to make the argument that Pablo Escobar was a shining beacon on the hill that held admirable values that's never done wrong in his life while everyone around him placed bombs on planes, slaughtered people in the streets like animals, and created havoc. The degree of cognitive dissonance to believe such a thing about Trump is mind boggling and, at this point, predicates itself solely on technicality of law. Especially if you know anything about his corrupt past and hold an inkling of human decency, basic powers of observation, and common sense.

With Trump, any reasonable person knows this guy is guilty as sin. For his followers, they need to have the dots connected by others for them and shoved in their faces again and again, because it's really not about Trump's guilt at all, it's about their resistance to being shown that they have been wrong all along in their judgement. Which they have.

@Damedius: their are in other articles on the net. You have to be blind or stuck in a box not to see them.

So, you are basically one of Damedious or Jackanucks alt accounts in order to add more conservative to these boards. Come clean.

I think you should actually read the OP. And if you did then you just blew reading comprehension.

@Damedius: the us govermenr is not the only ones who are saying he is a spy. Sorry but the holes you trying to make are only dicrediting yourself.

Using a straw man to get out of admitting and obvious truth.

*your just jumping to conclusions. You have no valid source.

* you have a source but it's told by a biased news channel.

*So the source is from the federal government....well they lied before.

*So other governments can confirm it....maybe they are lying ,too.

Dude, stop there is a clear reason why they Manafort tried to cover it up and he has long time been caught lying and convicted for fraud. This dude literally is a criminal and is currently in jail for lying.Sorry but all the proof hear that there is obvious collusion.

@Damedius: here is what you are still not getting.

The people who are part of the government hired to investigate crime and the people who are part of the government hired to do spy work state the guy Manafort is conected to is a spy. And Manafort's lawyer accidently in a email PDF revealed Manafort being trump's campaign manager was giving this spy us election data to give to heada in the Russian government..

And they were trying a failing to his it.

None of that ring any bells?

@Damedius: let me clear this up for the ignorant.

I was not commenting on your question on it he was a spy or not. I was commenting on what you said earlier.

I also said the source stating the guy is a spy is the fbi. Aka Muller is the source. And they refer to him as person a in the reports.

Also, I stated it was troubling to see someone who is pro trump try to fine faults in this report of collusion even though it obvious so clearly obvious to being collusion.