[QUOTE="batman0811"][QUOTE="sixringz1"]I told you a little while ago, i've made a new resolution...Never comment on STUPID posts. There are a lot of them in this forum and that's the stuff that gets me modded. I guess when i argue i have an unfair advantage since i have the need to MAKE SENSE;). I could pick that post apart sentence by sentence but i'm not going to. Hell Mont you should be proud of me, 5 pages worth of posts on this topic and NONE of them are mine. :D If any of that stuff actually was intelligent and made sense i would, but it's impossible to argue with people who think like that. Their opinion is sooooooo far off that they wouldn't see the light no matter how many FACTS you throw at em.
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hey man say what you have to say, and lets see what sense you make, if your talking about my post rip it apart and lets see how stupid it really isI won't get into a whole ordeal cause i've beat this topic to death the last couple years. I'll just comment on a couple things. First the "amount of talent" comment. Who in the Bird - Magic era was so great? The majority of the greats all played on the same team (i'll get to that later). I mean you wanna say Dr. J, Moses Malone, cool. But Jabaar and Worthy both played WITH Magic. Mchale and Parrish both played WITH Bird. You can throw Wilkins and Isaiah in there too but they went up with MJ in their prime too. Now lets look at the 90's when Jordan was dominating. Here is a list of some of the names on the First Team All NBA during that time - Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, David Robinson, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon, John Stockton, Shaquille O'Neal, Patrick Ewing and Gary Payton to name a few. Every name i mentioned are FIRST BALLAD Hall of Famers and all with MAYBE the exception of Shaq were in their prime."Jordan didn't win his first title til his 6th or 7th year" Yea and if you take away the marketing ploy that was the Washington Wizards, he also DIDN'T LOSE a title for his LAST 6 seasons. So nearly half of his career was spent winning championships and you are complaining about him not winning in his first few years.
As for the Pippen comment. He was great no denying, but he was not the 2nd best player in the league at any point during those title runs. He may have been the best small forward but not 2nd best player. And i always love how people bring up Rodman's name as if those first 3 titles didn't happen. Those first 3 titles consisted of 2 great players and a bunch of role players - PERIOD. I mean Will Perdue, Bill Cartwright, BJ Armstrong, Horace Grant, Craig Hodges, Craig Hansen, Cliff Livingston, John Paxon. COme on now.
Next point "when they got to the finals no other teams could handle the double threat of Jordan and Pippen". I'm missing the point on this one. Because they were "too good" they should be penalized? What? I mean the Jazz had Malone and Stockton in 2 consecutive finals but the Bulls handled them. Payton and Kemp were just as dynamic for Seattle in the mid 90's the bulls handled that. I'll just stop on that point cause i'm not sure what you are saying. That's like saying LA should be penalized this year if they win the title because the West was down.
Finally will get to your vote of Magic. I love Magic. I have nothing bad to say about him. But i will counter one of your main points. You talk about Jordan having Pippen, Magic had Jabaar AND Worthy as well as the best perimeter defender of his era in Cooper. So to say he "makes his teammates ten times better than Jordan" is pushing it considering more than half their roster consisted of Hall of Famer's or Perenial All Stars. You could say the same thing about Kobe now. When he had no talent on his team and he struggled to even get the 8 seed, he was looked at as a "bad teammate and someone who can't make anyone better", but now that he has far superior talent he's all the sudden "a great teammate and makes everyone better". He's theSAME PLAYERhe was back then he just trusts this group more. It's not hard to "make your teammates better" when THEY'RE ALREADY GREAT.
I said i wasn't gonna knock Magic cause i like him but you forced me to do this - THE ULTIMATE OWNAGE of this post - Magic Johnson NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER, made an NBA All Defensive team 1st OR 2nd team. You can't be mentioned as the "best" ever when you only contributed on one side of the floor. Then compare that to Jordan who in 9 of hist FULL 12 seasons with the Bulls (not counting 95 when he came out of retirement for the last month of the season) was not only on the All D team, he was FIRST TEAM EVERY TIME!
Sorry about the wall of text, but you asked me to counter. But in the end it's all opinion anyway. You're entitled to yours i wont knock it
In Magic's defense, he did win 2 championships with an aging Kareem. When the Lakers won back-to-back in the late 80's, it was pretty much Magic carrying the team, along with, ofcourse, Worthy's great performances. Those years were also his MVP years as well. So while Magic had a TON of talent, as the talent around him began to decline, he stepped his game up and led his team to back-to-back championships. Also defense was considered much more hard-nosed back in the day compared to the 90's. Also Hakeem had his best years in the late 80's, as did Stockton and Malone. People like Barkley and Drexler had their best seasons in the mid 80's. So the same people you mentioned that were in the 90's had their most dominate years in the 80's, playing against the likes of Magic and Larry. In the 90's, their output, though still outstanding, wasnt like what they did in the 80's, but with aging stars like Larry and Magic, they were finally able to establish themselves. Basically what im trying to say is that the 80's had much more talent, but a lot of them werent able to gain foothold until the 90's. 
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