[QUOTE="viciousnip"]

2. The PS2 used a a DVD drive when DVD was already out on the market for many many years. In contrast, BR will almost launch with the PS3.... early adopters always bear the cost and heaches of new technoogly. Thank you Cows. :lol:

Puckhog04

You do realize that BD has been out for  a while now right?

There's not one BR movie...:|

....rewritable discs......:|

[QUOTE="El_Indigo"][QUOTE="TE_Lawrence"][QUOTE="El_Indigo"][QUOTE="AcidRonen"][QUOTE="El_Indigo"][QUOTE="AcidRonen"][QUOTE="TE_Lawrence"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="imtjnotu"] [QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="Nep321"]

A rice cooker:

http://www.sony-europe.com/view/ShowSiteSection.action?section=en_EU_About_SonyHistory&site=odw_en_EU

Oh, and it failed due to faulty design defects.

TE_Lawrence

And in 60 years all they have progressed onto is a Grill :lol:

ROFL. I couldn't resist it :lol: :D

Well, it was a good laugh. :)

Anyway, it's hard to imagine that the inventor of the 3.5 inch diskette, Triniton colour TV, transistor radio, walkman, CD, CD-ROM, DVD, the first home video, Blu-Ray, CELL and so on began with a rice cooker.

And it's even harder to understand that it also started the thierd biggest music company and the company with the biggest movie library, not forgetting the gross record for earnings on movies.

Oh well, why didn't I think of that rise-cooker? :(

Toshiba made DVD and Sony was against them with there MMCD format kind of like today with Blu ray and HD DVD

Yes Both Sony and Phillips where against Toshiba at first but both companies later joined in and helped out.

Btw Vongak i passed my digital circuit class :) ..but unfortunately failed at VLSI design :(

true

also i heard they kinda f***ed the DVD format up by adding somethong to the design to make it tougher but the side effect gave it less disc capacity it was originally supposed to hold 5GBs which kinda suck i guess that happens when oppusing sides make comprimises

Never heard of that but it could be true i do know that Sony did dislike something about DVD's ..but here's a question would you rather have a more capacity or slightly less capacity and a more durable format ?

Well one thing was for sure, Sony wouldn't risk another Betamax and opted to play it safe.

I guess that the lack of Movie studio support at the Betamax era is what made Sony realise that they needed a foothold in the entertainment industry to ensure backing of its future formats.

That was one of the wishes of Akio Morita i believe

That's wouldn't surprise me at all, he had a lot to say till the end.

I'm not sure but wasn't it also him who decided that Sony should work in smaller groups concentrating on each their own territory? A great idea at the time but now with the internet and other forms for communication it's too impractical( guess it's the reason for the restructuring, but not sure).

Wow, it's 2:24AM :o See you people.

Could have been him ...and wth ?   where are you from ? it looks like  we  are in the same time zone

[QUOTE="El_Indigo"][QUOTE="AcidRonen"][QUOTE="TE_Lawrence"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="imtjnotu"] [QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="Nep321"]

A rice cooker:

http://www.sony-europe.com/view/ShowSiteSection.action?section=en_EU_About_SonyHistory&site=odw_en_EU

Oh, and it failed due to faulty design defects.

TE_Lawrence

And in 60 years all they have progressed onto is a Grill :lol:

ROFL. I couldn't resist it :lol: :D

Well, it was a good laugh. :)

Anyway, it's hard to imagine that the inventor of the 3.5 inch diskette, Triniton colour TV, transistor radio, walkman, CD, CD-ROM, DVD, the first home video, Blu-Ray, CELL and so on began with a rice cooker.

And it's even harder to understand that it also started the thierd biggest music company and the company with the biggest movie library, not forgetting the gross record for earnings on movies.

Oh well, why didn't I think of that rise-cooker? :(

Toshiba made DVD and Sony was against them with there MMCD format kind of like today with Blu ray and HD DVD

Yes Both Sony and Phillips where against Toshiba at first but both companies later joined in and helped out.

Btw Vongak  i passed my digital circuit class :) ..but unfortunately failed  at  VLSI design :(

You are taking VLSI? Cool, seems like you really want to know processing units from the lowest level possible and up, that's quite some digging.

Anyway, congrats with your digital circuit class, it's much more important( just tell them that a Danish person said so over the net). :D

yeah  i want to get a  EE degree and go into  cpu design  but i doubt that will ever happen .........

[QUOTE="El_Indigo"][QUOTE="AcidRonen"][QUOTE="El_Indigo"][QUOTE="AcidRonen"][QUOTE="TE_Lawrence"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="imtjnotu"] [QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="Nep321"]

A rice cooker:

http://www.sony-europe.com/view/ShowSiteSection.action?section=en_EU_About_SonyHistory&site=odw_en_EU

Oh, and it failed due to faulty design defects.

TE_Lawrence

And in 60 years all they have progressed onto is a Grill :lol:

ROFL. I couldn't resist it :lol: :D

Well, it was a good laugh. :)

Anyway, it's hard to imagine that the inventor of the 3.5 inch diskette, Triniton colour TV, transistor radio, walkman, CD, CD-ROM, DVD, the first home video, Blu-Ray, CELL and so on began with a rice cooker.

And it's even harder to understand that it also started the thierd biggest music company and the company with the biggest movie library, not forgetting the gross record for earnings on movies.

Oh well, why didn't I think of that rise-cooker? :(

Toshiba made DVD and Sony was against them with there MMCD format kind of like today with Blu ray and HD DVD

Yes Both Sony and Phillips where against Toshiba at first but both companies later joined in and helped out.

Btw Vongak i passed my digital circuit class :) ..but unfortunately failed at VLSI design :(

true

also i heard they kinda f***ed the DVD format up by adding somethong to the design to make it tougher but the side effect gave it less disc capacity it was originally supposed to hold 5GBs which kinda suck i guess that happens when oppusing sides make comprimises

Never heard of that but it could be true i do know that Sony did dislike something about DVD's ..but here's a question would you rather have a more capacity or slightly less capacity and a more durable format ?

Well one thing was for sure, Sony wouldn't risk another Betamax and opted to play it safe.

I guess that the lack of Movie studio support at the Betamax era is what made Sony realise that they needed a foothold in the entertainment industry to ensure backing of its future formats.

That was one of the wishes of Akio Morita i believe

[QUOTE="El_Indigo"][QUOTE="AcidRonen"][QUOTE="TE_Lawrence"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="imtjnotu"] [QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="Nep321"]

A rice cooker:

http://www.sony-europe.com/view/ShowSiteSection.action?section=en_EU_About_SonyHistory&site=odw_en_EU

Oh, and it failed due to faulty design defects.

AcidRonen

And in 60 years all they have progressed onto is a Grill :lol:

ROFL. I couldn't resist it :lol: :D

Well, it was a good laugh. :)

Anyway, it's hard to imagine that the inventor of the 3.5 inch diskette, Triniton colour TV, transistor radio, walkman, CD, CD-ROM, DVD, the first home video, Blu-Ray, CELL and so on began with a rice cooker.

And it's even harder to understand that it also started the thierd biggest music company and the company with the biggest movie library, not forgetting the gross record for earnings on movies.

Oh well, why didn't I think of that rise-cooker? :(

Toshiba made DVD and Sony was against them with there MMCD format kind of like today with Blu ray and HD DVD

Yes Both Sony and Phillips where against Toshiba at first but both companies later joined in and helped out.

Btw Vongak  i passed my digital circuit class :) ..but unfortunately failed  at  VLSI design :(

true

also i heard they kinda f***ed the DVD format up by adding somethong to the design to make it tougher but the side effect gave it less disc capacity it was originally supposed to hold 5GBs which kinda suck i guess that happens when oppusing sides make comprimises

Never heard of that but it could be true i do know that Sony did dislike something about DVD's ..but here's a question would you rather have a more capacity   or  slightly less capacity and a more durable  format  ?

[QUOTE="TE_Lawrence"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="imtjnotu"] [QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="Nep321"]

A rice cooker:

http://www.sony-europe.com/view/ShowSiteSection.action?section=en_EU_About_SonyHistory&site=odw_en_EU

Oh, and it failed due to faulty design defects.

AcidRonen

And in 60 years all they have progressed onto is a Grill :lol:

ROFL. I couldn't resist it :lol: :D

Well, it was a good laugh. :)

Anyway, it's hard to imagine that the inventor of the 3.5 inch diskette, Triniton colour TV, transistor radio, walkman, CD, CD-ROM, DVD, the first home video, Blu-Ray, CELL and so on began with a rice cooker.

And it's even harder to understand that it also started the thierd biggest music company and the company with the biggest movie library, not forgetting the gross record for earnings on movies.

Oh well, why didn't I think of that rise-cooker? :(

Toshiba made DVD and Sony was against them with there MMCD format kind of like today with Blu ray and HD DVD

Yes Both Sony and Phillips where against Toshiba at first but both companies later joined in and helped out.

Btw Vongak  i passed my digital circuit class :) ..but unfortunately failed  at  VLSI design :(

[QUOTE="El_Indigo"][QUOTE="EMH88"]

[QUOTE="TE_Lawrence"]

Well, it was a good laugh. :)

Anyway, it's hard to imagine that the inventor of the 3.5 inch diskette, Triniton colour TV, transistor radio, walkman, CD, CD-ROM, DVD, the first home video, Blu-Ray, CELL and so on began with a rice cooker.

And it's even harder to understand that it also started the thierd biggest music company and the company with the biggest movie library, not forgetting the gross record for earnings on movies.

Oh well, why didn't I think of that rise-cooker? :(

EMH88

Triniton colour TV - Not true

3.5 inch diskette - Not true

transistor radio - Not true

walkman - STOLE

CD, CD-ROM, DVD - Nice try

wtf ?  everything he stated is actually true exception for dvd roms

the trinitor and diskette I got wrong because I though he was talking of something else but the rest is not true.

exception for dvd roms and transistor radio's everything els is true

[QUOTE="TE_Lawrence"]

Well, it was a good laugh. :)

Anyway, it's hard to imagine that the inventor of the 3.5 inch diskette, Triniton colour TV, transistor radio, walkman, CD, CD-ROM, DVD, the first home video, Blu-Ray, CELL and so on began with a rice cooker.

And it's even harder to understand that it also started the thierd biggest music company and the company with the biggest movie library, not forgetting the gross record for earnings on movies.

Oh well, why didn't I think of that rise-cooker? :(

EMH88

Triniton colour TV - Not true

3.5 inch diskette - Not true

transistor radio - Not true

walkman - STOLE

CD, CD-ROM, DVD - Nice try

wtf ?  everything he stated is actually true exception for dvd roms and transistor radio

Yeah, register and ask :) march1n0

:shock:

Hmm, thanks for the updated post from Beyond3D El_Indigo. I pretty much get the concept that nAo is putting forth, and why it is a good thing. Especially considering he is right about one thing: RGB is awful for lighting. There is no simple way to do lighting calculations in the RGB colorspace. We actually use YUV for video (MPEG-4, etc get their level of compressibility from using the YUV colorspace, BTW), and HSL tends to be used in high-end photo/print work done digitally (where you have greater control of the final result). I remember some of the RGB-based lighting I tried to do, and none of it looked truly natural... HSL or YUV both would be better for controlling this, although I would definitely be interested in some of the findings that they had about what colorspace is proving to be more beneficial. While I am a little rusty on some of the more modern 3D engine designs, especially some of the advanced shaders... nAo now has me thinking a little more about this software problem. Cyander

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