[QUOTE="DAZZER7"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"] Well, I was just talking about graphics. What I meant is that there isn't much debate that KZ 2 isn't the console graphics king and better looking than MGS, Gears Resi 5 etc. If there is, I don't see much of it. All I can say is- good luck to anyone who tries to argue against it :PFloppy_Jim
I do! I have made many posts regarding KZ2s graphics as being the console king. While I agree they are up there, they are only on-par with the likes of Gears 2, MGS4, RE4 etc. Take the character models for example. In Gears 2, Marcus Fenix's face is really detailed, you can see his scars etc through the very good use of normal mapping. The armor on the soldiers, the scales on the locust skin is all very high resolution. Being a PC gamer, I was impressed. Killzone 2's character models have much smoother faces and there seems to be a lack of sharpness and bump mapping. Again it comes down to the blurred post processing effects they seem to have used. The character models just don't seem so highly detailed. The guns are very impressive and so is the way everything moves but again, that goes back to animation more than anything. The game that I feel matches Gears 2 for character design is MGS4! That game has some very detailed models, especially when you look at the contours of snakes suite and other character's faces. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is a huge difference because generally there arn't between PS3 and 360 games, but for me Gears 2 and MGS4 edges it over Killzone 2 because everything is that little bit sharper and detailed. The grey buildings you see in the distance in Killzone 2 also lack a lot of detail. The textures are not the greatest. Now, if this was a depth of field contest or one of weapon design models then Killzone 2 wins. I just feel people are wowed by how this game moves, which again is more to do with animation than how the game visually is being rendered! So there, I am one person among many who disagrees with Killzone 2 being the Console GFX King! . . I await the usual "you are a hater/fanboy/lemming/damage controlling hermit" etc etc . .
You damage-controlling hater/Lemming/Hermit/fanboy! :P But yeah, you actually made some good points there.
I used to think the textures weren't the greatest, but after seeing the screens from the MP beta, I've noticed a big improvement. Not necessarily the best textures ever, but they are looking sharper than before. I do agree about the blurry effect and it may not have the best character models. I'm not the best guy for all this technical talk, but from watching footage/screenshots, there's just something about this game that sets it above other console games. It looks frickin' stunning if you ask me, it impresses me far more than MGS4 and Gears 2, even though I haven't actually played it yet! But yeah, I can understand why people would say otherwise.
Killzone 2 cheats like GT5, but like I said as long as it look good, all that matters. Low textures when close from the beta anyway those screens you seen are not close up and a lot of blur and characters not as good as others. But lighting is the best, a lot of happening, a lot of blur which is good. Best looking in 2009. 
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