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#1 Evolving_Jesus
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[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="thotoz"][QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="thotoz"][QUOTE="KixDanis"]

The only question I have still in my head is "was Jesus Crucified"

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there is no history or evidence that romans ever crucified jews, they only stoned them to death to spite them and there religion. AND, people who were crucifed were tossed into a common grave (aka a pit) they NEVER got a privet chamber... Jesus is a myth look at the gospels, they contradict jesus's last words, and even what the sign reads that was placed around his neck... or up above his head depending what gospel you read... LOL

I wouldn't call him a myth, only because he is mentioned in the Quran. However, contradictions are so common in the Bible, it's a man made book, though it has some divinity in it. Anyways...heading off.

quran was writing like 700AD, it stole the basic ideas from the NT and the OT and was used to control there own people. the one the quran has going for it is the evidence that muhammad actually lived on this earth. still have not seen anything to prove jesus existed. trust me ive looked... for years... and stuggled with that part of my faith...

Lol. I'm too tired to respond to dumb posts (no offense, I'm sleepy and you should research on your own...the Quran is fake arguments are old). It's like Grade 1 of Religion.

Anyways I'll be nice and give you a link to look over while I sleep.

www.quranmiracles.com I suggest the "lowest part on Earth" one, it's the most interesting.

all your proving is that monotheism is a lie, there can only be one god. according to muslims, christians and jews anyways...
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[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="thotoz"][QUOTE="KixDanis"]

The only question I have still in my head is "was Jesus Crucified"

thotoz

there is no history or evidence that romans ever crucified jews, they only stoned them to death to spite them and there religion. AND, people who were crucifed were tossed into a common grave (aka a pit) they NEVER got a privet chamber... Jesus is a myth look at the gospels, they contradict jesus's last words, and even what the sign reads that was placed around his neck... or up above his head depending what gospel you read... LOL

I wouldn't call him a myth, only because he is mentioned in the Quran. However, contradictions are so common in the Bible, it's a man made book, though it has some divinity in it. Anyways...heading off. 

quran was writing like 700AD, it stole the basic ideas from the NT and the OT and was used to control there own people. the one the quran has going for it is the evidence that muhammad actually lived on this earth. still have not seen anything to prove jesus existed. trust me ive looked... for years... and stuggled with that part of my faith...
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#3 Evolving_Jesus
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[QUOTE="KixDanis"]

The only question I have still in my head is "was Jesus Crucified" 

thotoz
there is no history or evidence that romans ever crucified jews, they only stoned them to death to spite them and there religion. AND, people who were crucifed were tossed into a common grave (aka a pit) they NEVER got a privet chamber... Jesus is a myth look at the gospels, they contradict jesus's last words, and even what the sign reads that was placed around his neck... or up above his head depending what gospel you read... LOL
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for you to say i have no boundries is ridicules. you dont need a god to tell you not to kill. if you do, then your a weak person. here is a great video, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2061773048178434620&q=who+wrote+the+bible research the bible, open your eyes... i once was a christian... but now its just so obivous that its a man made idea based on myths. god apparently gave us his "evidence" for his existance by means of the popular medium at the time... a book. or books ill wait for god to make a DVD to show me his special powers. ill look for some burning bush and wait in hopes for gods magical finger to come down and burn me that DVD. its just all so ridicules
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[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="KixDanis"]

How do you know what is good and bad at all?

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that is so arrogant, we have evolved to work together. we survive longer if we work together and live in mass numbers. and to live in mass numbers you evolve social skills. if youd like more scientific info about morals, check out The God Delusion. its a great book that points out all your delusions. I have lived my life and have never ran into the law, never been to jail and have a lot of friends and successes. i dont need some old scribblings to tell me to love my neighbour and to love and forgive. i do good cuz it makes me feel good and i know its right. you do good only to please Zeus... or what ever other god it is you believe in.

I'm well aware of Dawkin's book.

When no one is looking, how can I know that you will not do whatever you want? For instance, is it actually wrong for you kill someone you hate and rape them because you want to have sex with them then steal what you want when no one will find out? Why does it matter?

Why should you forgive when it is inconvenient? You do not know what is right or wrong, and what happens if I think otherwise? Who wins? If we are going for a max count, then the Christians have the largest amount of adherents and therefore they are moral? Come on.

Zues does not account for moral absolutes and neither does Allah.

you can hate, kill and rape and jesus will forgive you... the only thing god will not forgive is denying the holy spirit. god isnt stoping george bush from killing... i think if you look at the records... christians kill more people then athiest do. i have more reason to fear you then an athiest. athiest dont have imaginary friends Athiest know that this life might be all we have... so we appreciate it more. you beleive in an eternity. therfor life on earth is irrelevant.
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How do you know what is good and bad at all?

KixDanis
that is so arrogant, we have evolved to work together. we survive longer if we work together and live in mass numbers. and to live in mass numbers you evolve social skills. if youd like more scientific info about morals, check out The God Delusion. its a great book that points out all your delusions. I have lived my life and have never ran into the law, never been to jail and have a lot of friends and successes. i dont need some old scribblings to tell me to love my neighbour and to love and forgive. i do good cuz it makes me feel good and i know its right. you do good only to please Zeus... or what ever other god it is you believe in.
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[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"]hehe, i had to make one, sorry jeff and ric, LOL

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You also have no standard of morality so you cannot say what is good or evil.

 

KixDanis
first of all, YOU LIE, there in no such evidence. and no standard of morality?? what!? you mean you get yours from the bible??? so you believe in slavery??? you believe that its ok for 2 young women to get their dad drunk and rape him to make babies??? you think its moral to find bliss in other people burning in hell for ever??? morals dont come from the bible... it takes a good person to do good things it takes a bad person to do bad things for a good person to do bad things... that takes RELIGION!
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[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"]The fact that we think god looks like us shows how arrogant we really are. here are the facts... -no proff of exodus -no proff of noah -no proff that Jesus even existed some more facts... -most wars are religion inspired -Adolph Hitler was a Catholic -George Bush is a Christian -Religion is Love and forgiveness more fun facts. -exPastor Ted Haggart had a weekly conferince call with President Bush -Pastor Ted Haggard was found in a car with a male prostitute and in position with Meth -Pastor Ted Haggart influenced over 30 million American christians Heres what science has found: 99% of christians were born into christian families that means, if your a christain... chances are is cuz your mom and dad made you believe in it. same goes for Muslims and jews... we are all born athiests. ill leave with one great quote. "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren in eternal fire." - Pope Gregory I (the great) you are evil if your ok with other people buring in hell forever.dog64

First,I agree with you that many religions have falts. Many churches supported the world wars and others. And as I've said before in this thread,some churches have gay priests and ministers. Some churches accept homosexuality and say that God accepts you for who you are,even though the bible outright condems it and gives the outline for the true followers. Despite many religions/churches are doing these things,it doesn't mean that all religion is wrong. In fact,every religion has a chance of being right.

Second,about your sig,show me in the bible where it says the earth is flat and 6000 years old. And please don't tell me about Jesus seeing all the kingdoms of the earth,because I already explained that about a thousand posts ago. But if I have to,I must.

the bible clearly list bloodlines all the way back to adam and eve... simply add up their ages till you get to jesus... add 2000 years and BAM!!! there you go. its actually somewhere around 10 000 years... depending on how you do it. annnd, remember.. it was the church who was killing people for believing the world was round as the bible clearly states its flat. not to mention god apparently supports slavery. remember slaves... treat your christain master even better!
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#10 Evolving_Jesus
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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"]
I'd really like to see that evidence that creationists have.
dog64

Simple,the evidence is all around us. The earth is placed just the right distance from the sun so that it will warm itself and cool itself evenly and at the right temps to sustain life.

Despite the many people starving today,the earth actually produces food to feed everyone and more. Greed is why we have many starving today.

The earths many laws and cycles make everything go together. Just to name one,the water cycle. Clouds can hold tons of gallons of water,and this rain falls and gives drink to us,animals,and plants. The sun then evaporates more water,and eventually this water will fall back as rain to do the same thing over and over. This keeps everything well-watered like the trees and animals.

A lightning strike has way more power then electricity lines on your street. If we could somehow take this electricity from lightning,we won't need generators or dams anymore.

Trees produce oxygen,which we breathe. We then take this and produce carbon-dioxide which trees take in to make oxygen. This keeps fresh oxygen in the air for us to breathe.

Take a look at your thumb. Pretend you did not have it and try to pick a glass of water. It's much more difficult if not impossible isn't it? Yes,our thumb makes our lives much easier.

The ozone layer in the earths atmosphere keeps harmful rays from the sun from entering the earth and causing problems for us.

If you took a pindrop of the suns core and put it on earth,nobody could live within 90 miles of that small pindrop.

 Now,isn't it reasonable to think that an intelligent designer made all these things this way? All of these things I listed are amazing facts,anyone can agree to that. Yet many think that all of these things was all caused by a sudden bang and it slowly evolved.

 

who made the designer then??? and what was he doing when he was not creating??? what this does is just proves evolution... if nothing created the creator... then that means the creator slowly evolved.